The Disturbing Trend I've Noticed About MLB: The Show

[countryboy]

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Question.

For those who wish for more user input vs ratings, what ratio would like to see? And I use the term "ratio" loosely as I have no clue exactly how the formula/equation/RNG works to determine outcome. Are you wanting it primarily to be user input over ratings, 50-50 split? Would you like for them to maybe create a play style like NBA/Madden have where there is simulation, arcade, online or something along those lines?

For myself, I want ratings to be the driving factor. I want players to play to their real life counterpart. I want my user input to dictate how well the player executes his ratings instead of how successful he is on a given play, if that makes sense.

Just curious what those who are "disappointed" are wanting.

[phantomblackgoat]

Re: The Disturbing Trend I've Noticed About MLB: The Show

Question.

For those who wish for more user input vs ratings, what ratio would like to see? And I use the term "ratio" loosely as I have no clue exactly how the formula/equation/RNG works to determine outcome. Are you wanting it primarily to be user input over ratings, 50-50 split? Would you like for them to maybe create a play style like NBA/Madden have where there is simulation, arcade, online or something along those lines?

For myself, I want ratings to be the driving factor. I want players to play to their real life counterpart. I want my user input to dictate how well the player executes his ratings instead of how successful he is on a given play, if that makes sense.

Just curious what those who are "disappointed" are wanting.

Simple, we want both to matter. If I square up a hanger with Jose Abreu or Matt Davidson I shouldn't be popping the ball up in the infield 5 times out of 10. We're not asking to hit homers every time a pitcher misses their spot, but when you time a pitch perfectly and get "weak" or "okay" contact results more times than "good" something isn't right. As I've said earlier in the thread I play my franchise and RTTS players super realistically, tweaking the hitting to reflect the quality of your inputs more accurately isn't breaking that realism at all.

[Padgoi]

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Groan. So the gamers not having a problem are those overpowering defenders of the game that drown you and others out (although you continue to post), and those who are having problems are the righteous? Give it a break. Your post was fine until you interjected that trash. So why bother your keyboard?
Stick to your word and don't press the buttons, geez.

My post was fine before and after that "trash" was interjected. You just didn't like it because it went against what you believe. Sorry buddy. Keep doing what you do.

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[countryboy]

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Simple, we want both to matter. If I square up a hanger with Jose Abreu or Matt Davidson I shouldn't be popping the ball up in the infield 5 times out of 10. We're not asking to hit homers every time a pitcher misses their spot, but when you time a pitch perfectly and get "weak" or "okay" contact results more times than "good" something isn't right. As I've said earlier in the thread I play my franchise and RTTS players super realistically, tweaking the hitting to reflect the quality of your inputs more accurately isn't breaking that realism at all.

That's where our experiences differ. I have yet to square up a pitch, be it a hanger, a fastball, or something else, and not hit it hard.

For full disclosure this is on Legend hitting with default sliders.

And I wasn't suggesting that tweaking the hitting was breaking the realism. I was just curious what people were seeking.

[KnightTemplar]

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My post was fine before and after that "trash" was interjected. You just didn't like it because it went against what you believe. Sorry buddy. Keep doing what you do.

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Sure, lol.

[phantomblackgoat]

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That's where our experiences differ. I have yet to square up a pitch, be it a hanger, a fastball, or something else, and not hit it hard.

For full disclosure this is on Legend hitting with default sliders.

And I wasn't suggesting that tweaking the hitting was breaking the realism. I was just curious what people were seeking.

I might be exaggerating that "5 out of 10 times" stat a bit but popping up on a well-timed pitch down the heart of the plate is far from a rare occurrence for me. It's not as though I have a bunch of low-rated players in my lineup that are causing these results either. Here is my usual lineup for my White Sox franchise:

CF Charlie Blackmon (acquired via free agency)
SS Tim Anderson
1B Jose Abreu
3B Matt Davidson
DH/C Evan Gattis (acquired via free agency)
LF Marcell Ozuna (acquire via trade)
2B Yoan Moancada
RF Charlie Tilson
C Christian Vazquez (acquired via trade)

[KBLover]

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Simple, we want both to matter. If I square up a hanger with Jose Abreu or Matt Davidson I shouldn't be popping the ball up in the infield 5 times out of 10. We're not asking to hit homers every time a pitcher misses their spot, but when you time a pitch perfectly and get "weak" or "okay" contact results more times than "good" something isn't right.

Raise solid hits and possibly contact.

I mean, I play with the most pure RNG hitting mode (Directional) and don't see that. I'm currently at 6% IFFB, which, if anything, is too low.

[TheWarmWind]

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Question.

For those who wish for more user input vs ratings, what ratio would like to see? And I use the term "ratio" loosely as I have no clue exactly how the formula/equation/RNG works to determine outcome. Are you wanting it primarily to be user input over ratings, 50-50 split? Would you like for them to maybe create a play style like NBA/Madden have where there is simulation, arcade, online or something along those lines?

For myself, I want ratings to be the driving factor. I want players to play to their real life counterpart. I want my user input to dictate how well the player executes his ratings instead of how successful he is on a given play, if that makes sense.

Just curious what those who are "disappointed" are wanting.

Ooh, ooh, a question I can answer. If I time a fastball down the middle with Mike Trout, it should be a hard hit ball with a good angle 9 to 9.5/10 times. It doesn't have to be a hit, just a good hack. Meanwhile Joe Shmoe who is bouncing between AAA and MLB should smack it well about 4 or 5/10 times.

I think I've achieved that with my sliders. You know I'm all about that halfway point between sim and arcade.

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[phantomblackgoat]

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Ooh, ooh, a question I can answer. If I time a fastball down the middle with Mike Trout, it should be a hard hit ball with a good angle 9 to 9.5/10 times. It doesn't have to be a hit, just a good hack. Meanwhile Joe Shmoe who is bouncing between AAA and MLB should smack it well about 4 or 5/10 times.

I think I've achieved that with my sliders. You know I'm all about that halfway point between sim and arcade.

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That's the kind of sweet spot I'm trying to achieve. Unfortunately the results I'm getting are more along the lines of the Joe Shmoe you desrcibed, even with the roster I've assembled (I posted my typical lineup in my franchise above). While none of my players are on the level of Mike Trout, I think they're still an above average hitting group overall. Charlie Blackmon is probably my best hitter as of now (hit exactly .300 last year when we won the WS and is htting .312 this season), but Abreu and Anderson weren't that far behind (hit .297 and .288 respectively).

[NolanRyansSnowmonkey]

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Simple, we want both to matter. If I square up a hanger with Jose Abreu or Matt Davidson I shouldn't be popping the ball up in the infield 5 times out of 10. We're not asking to hit homers every time a pitcher misses their spot, but when you time a pitch perfectly and get "weak" or "okay" contact results more times than "good" something isn't right. As I've said earlier in the thread I play my franchise and RTTS players super realistically, tweaking the hitting to reflect the quality of your inputs more accurately isn't breaking that realism at all.

I would be upset if this happened to me too. Fortunately i never see it happen with my sliders, zone, legend. My team is hitting .240 but when i get good timing and good contact it is hit very well. Not sure what to say other than adjust sliders until this doesn't happen.

[phantomblackgoat]

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I would be upset if this happened to me too. Fortunately i never see it happen with my sliders, zone, legend. My team is hitting .240 but when i get good timing and good contact it is hit very well. Not sure what to say other than adjust sliders until this doesn't happen.

I've been adjusting sliders all day and been getting the same (sometimes worse) results. I'm not sure if the game was just in one of its moods again or if I got a different copy of MLB 18 than anybody else but it's really getting tiring. Had 6 consecutive at-bats in which I had "good" timing and "weak" contact that ended in harmless fly balls where the pitch was an absolute beach ball. I'm probably going to put it down and let it collect dust for a few days and try again when my patience returns.

[NolanRyansSnowmonkey]

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I've been adjusting sliders all day and been getting the same (sometimes worse) results. I'm not sure if the game was just in one of its moods again or if I got a different copy of MLB 18 than anybody else but it's really getting tiring. Had 6 consecutive at-bats in which I had "good" timing and "weak" contact that ended in harmless fly balls where the pitch was an absolute beach ball. I'm probably going to put it down and let it collect dust for a few days and try again when my patience returns.

May be a good idea to take a breather. I wish i could think of something to help. I can only speak from my games. I am very picky about this game because i know baseball and what it should look like. I am also a very very detailed stat tracker. I quit 17 because it was never right. But i can honestly say i am extremely happy with this game. There are some things that hack me off here and there that i wish they would finally fix, but as far as hitting goes, this is the happiest i have ever been with the Show.

As far as pitching, i also pitch on Legend and if i am not careful i get demolished. Having a 22nd ranked pitching staff doesn't help lol. I lose a lot of games but they feel challenging and realistic.

I dont doubt your frustrations. It sucks to want to enjoy a game but can't. I hope after a short break you can jump back into it with fresh eyes, and find an adjustment that works.

[TheWarmWind]

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That's the kind of sweet spot I'm trying to achieve. Unfortunately the results I'm getting are more along the lines of the Joe Shmoe you desrcibed, even with the roster I've assembled (I posted my typical lineup in my franchise above). While none of my players are on the level of Mike Trout, I think they're still an above average hitting group overall. Charlie Blackmon is probably my best hitter as of now (hit exactly .300 last year when we won the WS and is htting .312 this season), but Abreu and Anderson weren't that far behind (hit .297 and .288 respectively).

Just to clarify those were very rough estimates, and I'm talking about MY Mike Trout in my carry over, who has 98 contact for both types of pitchers. On top of that, you have to account for individualism as well. For example, I also have Bryce Harper on my team, and vs RHP their attributes are nearly identical, yet a right handed meatball perfectly timed will only get me a good hit 7/10 times. However, Bryce has better relative numbers on more difficult pitches, like high and tight which Trout severely struggles with or low and away which Trout hits plenty of but never with any power.

Again these are very rough estimates. On my settings I see meatballs like the Sahara gets rain.

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[phantomblackgoat]

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Just to clarify those were very rough estimates, and I'm talking about MY Mike Trout in my carry over, who has 98 contact for both types of pitchers. On top of that, you have to account for individualism as well. For example, I also have Bryce Harper on my team, and vs RHP their attributes are nearly identical, yet a right handed meatball perfectly timed will only get me a good hit 7/10 times. However, Bryce has better relative numbers on more difficult pitches, like high and tight which Trout severely struggles with or low and away which Trout hits plenty of but never with any power.

Again these are very rough estimates. On my settings I see meatballs like the Sahara gets rain.

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I get what you're saying but I don't see why All-Star caliber players (i.e. Abreu and Blackmon) are somehow consistently struggling to drive the ball when it's right down the middle. Your settings sound a lot like mine, I rarely see balls right down the middle. We all know most hitters struggle to hit the ball when it's really high or low in the strike zone, now imagine the ball is equally unhittable when it's right down the middle. That's the kind of problem I'm dealing with. I tried giving the game another chance earlier today and Carlos Martinez managed to get away with about 7 pitches left right down the middle. Three ended in pop ups that didn't leave the infield (good timing, weak contact), one was a lazy fly to right field (good timing, okay contact), and the other two were well-struck and ended in line drive outs. I wanted to test if it was the sliders that were causing this so I adjusted the User Power and Contact settings from where they were (one tick below default) and put them all the way up to maximum. Under normal circumstances I would never make such a dramatic adjustment but given how broken the game feels I was willing to try it. The next game I got the exact same results, only ball I really crushed was a fastball with Matt Davidson that wasn't even a bad pitch (high and inside) that I swung early on. I really don't know what to do from here, I really don't like playing games where you feel like you're being punished for playing it correctly.

[NolanRyansSnowmonkey]

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Just from my personal perspective, i will show why i enjoy this game regarding hitting so much. I am not doubting or downplaying anyone else's experience. I believe some people are genuinely frustrated. This is also not to brag, or be a fanboy.

This is half of the reason i enjoy hitting in this game so much. The other half is how it looks and feels as a play it -

Here are my hitting stats as of now along with stats from the 2018 Rangers and also MLB average. (Not 100% up to date but I gather MLB averages at random times)

My Stats. [Rangers real life] (MLB Average)

Per game stats:

AB/G - 33.5 [33.3] (34.1)
R/G - 4.00 [4.20] (4.48)
H/G - 8.05 [7.65] (8.71)
RBI/G - 3.95 [3.97] (4.27)
BB/G - 3.01 [3.51] (3.11)
SO/G - 8.01 [9.61] (8.03)
1B/G - 5.26 [4.71] (5.53)
2B/G - 1.53 [1.64] (1.70)
3B/G - 0.16 [0.16] (0.18)
HR/G - 1.16 [1.14] (1.16)
HBP/G - 0.53 [0.57] (0.34)
SF/G - 0.26 [0.22] (0.25)
SH/G - 0.05 [0.22] (0.21)
GIDP/G - 0.80 [0.68] (0.77)

AVG - .241 [.237] (.247)
BaBip - .278 [.281] (.294)

Hit types by percentage
1B - 65.4% [63.1%] (66.8%)
2B - 18.3% [20.7%] (19.6%)
3B - 2.0 % [2.1%] (2.1%)
HR - 14.4% [14.1%] (11.6%)

Wild Pitches/G - .37 (.37)
CPU Wild Pitches/G - .37 (.37)

Line Drive % - 19.1% (20.7%) - by the game's version of line drives. It calls many line drives ground balls so line drives are probably even more accurate than it looks here.

I don't doubt anyone's experience with the game, and i feel for those who just have not had a good experience. It sucks to want to enjoy a game and the game doesn't seem to cooperate.

I just wanted to post this and show that it is possible to have a great experience with this game, and that the game , specifically hitting, is not broken. Call it sliders, or settings, or approach, i dont know. Maybe its not possible for everyone, i dont know.

All i know is this is the most realistic version of the Show - for me - regarding hitting - visually, gameplay-wise, and right down to statistics. When i hit the ball good, it looks right. Before i look at feedback i usually could draw on paper what im going to see, just based on how the AB felt/looked like when i made contact.

There are definitely things i want fixed in this game. Bunting. Please fix bunting its absolutely ridiculous (see me SH stats). Please fix wild pitches - they are a problem, even though ive learned to keep it under control, at the expense of some pitching strategy with men on base. (Cpu wild pitches are fine so far). Please fix outfield wall suction, even though ive only seen it twice this year so far, but its a problem. Please fix outfielder jog issues. I havent seen it with manual fielding yet but some have, so its clearly an issue. I dont mind calling out problems as i see them, but hitting is 100% not one of them, for me.

This is not to prove anybody wrong, or argue, or doubt anyone's bad experience, but it is to maybe give some people hope that desperately want to enjoy this game, that it is possible. It might take more time and experimenting but in my opinion its possible.

These numbers are amazing for a video game, but even if the numbers werent available, the way it plays and looks is greatness in my opinion. You dont have to have exact numbers and stats to enjoy the game. Just know that the game can work, and enjoy it. I just happen to love the numbers side of things when i am not playing the game, and the gameplay side of things while playing. I spend as much time going over stats post-game as actually playing because i enjoy it.


This is in offline Franchise, Zone hitting, Legend, adjusted sliders, fielder speeds at 2 2, No Strike Zone, No PCI, Show 15 Cam, No power swing, situational contact swing.

Maybe hitting is broken, but if it is, for the love of Pete Rose, please don't fix it.