Batting Feedback: Let's Talk About This

[countryboy]

Re: Batting Feedback: Let's Talk About This

Do you honestly think the game is perfect? Bugs are in every single video game. Every single one. They're in Madden, NBA 2K, MLB: The Show, Rome 2, even way back in the days of Age of Empires. There are always bugs.

System, genre, type of game, controller, it makes no difference. No one can make an absolutely perfect game.

There's going to be bugs and quirks and glitches with their coding and programming that makes these bugs happen. That's just technology.

This comment leads me to believe that you're not looking to discuss your issues, but rather looking for a pissing contest.

No one claimed the game was perfect.

You just said that people experienced bugs in Rome II that you didn't experience to try to justify your stance that you're seeing "bugs" in the MLB '18 that others aren't seeing, in response to maybe its user error/input/experience rather than a "broken/bugged" system.

[shark547]

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I have stopped posting here for a while. I even stopped coming on this site for a while. It is ok to "police" the board to some extent. I get not wanting this site to become negatively toxic.

Problem is this board has become toxic in the other direction.

People come to boards to vent or seek help. If you don't like it...you might be the problem. Where else can people seek help? Isn't this the place where people know the most about the game?

Routinely the same group of people are misunderstanding what someone is saying and then giving out the wrong answers or telling them how the game should be played. Or outright just saying it is just them..... Then being upset when the poster tries to clarify what they mean or gets pissed. It is somewhat incredible to watch.

I have seen it a few times...somehow I understand exactly what they are getting at....and then the same catch all answers get thrown out. I am not even sure people are reading what is being wrote. Some times there is misunderstanding.....I get that...not to this extent.


Some of the things in this very thread are ridiculous.

For instance....not all people experience the same bugs and glitches in games on the PS4...give me a break.....just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it isn't happening. On top of that...with all the different game modes and sliders in this game you can have a wide variety of results. This game isn't unique. All PS4 games have wacky stuff happen to some and not others. Maybe it doesn't happen in the mode you play. Maybe it is tied to online. Maybe a lot of things...but, saying it isn't happening is hilarious. Go to any message board for any game...and there are problems some experience that others don't. I have seen people come here to talk about things they are seeing in the game, and then 3 people say...that isn't happening...well, I have seen it....I have seen all most everything people have complained about. With out knowing what mode and what settings someone is using it can be pretty hard to know.

Since they now mess with the game for online play it has only gotten worse. (Denying rocket bunts??? Really??? They are horrible, we shouldn't need a "workaround")

I honestly think feedback is completely broken in this game. It really doesn't make any sense to me. Pitchers throw 2 FB in a row... first one I am so early on despite feeling like I waited an eternity to swing...then the next one I swing as soon as the pitcher releases the pitch and I am somehow too late....if it isn't accurate it shouldn't be in the game. Which is the OPs point. It is supposed to be a tool to help you improve...which it does the opposite if it isn't accurate.

If someone is having an issue...be constructive or don't say anything...nobody cares how you think the game should be played. That is a you issue. Every time I see someone say...you can't expect to win every game....it isn't your place to tell someone what to expect out of their game. If I am playing on Rookie I do expect to win every game....it is easy mode.....that is a pretty standard thing in video games....

I get that some people seem to complain more than others. I get in my moods where things get to me. Doesn't mean I don't love the game. We have a lot of the same legacy issues we have had for years. There are no excuses for some of it at this point. No need to make excuses for it. Acknowledge that the game has some problems. It does. It would be great if they would get fixed.

I have learned a lot on these boards. There were things I misunderstood and have changed over the years. I got help to understand what I was doing wrong or what is out of my control. Some times it was me. Some times it wasn't.

There have been times when I didn't know how to say what I wanted to say. Countryboy helped me in a roundabout way by getting me to see what I needed to see. I don't remember what it was, but, I was pissed! He kept at it until the light bulb went on for me. If he hadn't stuck with it and been reasonable I would have never gotten it figured out. I enjoy the game a lot more now.

There are good people here. It just seems like the mob mentality has over taken reason to some extent. They are like automatic responses. Once one starts...then it snowballs. I have been coming to these boards for a long time. Long before I ever posted. I don't ever remember it being like this. This board kind of sucks now. Be reasonable, be kind. If someone is obviously trolling I get it. Not when the complaint is valid.

[Vanilla_Gorilla]

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This comment leads me to believe that you're not looking to discuss your issues, but rather looking for a pissing contest.

No one claimed the game was perfect.

You just said that people experienced bugs in Rome II that you didn't experience to try to justify your stance that you're seeing "bugs" in the MLB '18 that others aren't seeing, in response to maybe its user error/input/experience rather than a "broken/bugged" system.

Or maybe I just found a flaw in the system? Consider that at all?

My response to Nolan was a bit out of hand, but his response annoyed the hell out of me. Copies of the game have nothing to do with bugs.

[Vanilla_Gorilla]

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It happens.

I have 7-8-9 pitch at-bats every now and then, too. I had an PA where I fouled off, literally, 6 pitches in a row (some I should have taken, meaning out of the zone, and yes, I've fouled some off heading to the dirt).

Had a 13-pitch one not long ago.

I have foul frequency on 0 for both myself and CPU. Long PAs occasionally occur for both teams.

Foul frequency doesn't actually set the frequency of foul balls. It does not "create" foul balls. It impacts the "gray areas" both in the timing window and around the PCI, which can impact the frequency of foul balls (because otherwise, maybe it's an outright miss).

There's no givens or guarantees. Those pitches could have been put in play. It just means I'm more likely to outright miss them and the edges of the timing window and the tolerance for PCI error is smaller...but there's other factors at play as well (contact slider, timing slider, PVIS, K/9, Movement, Execution of the pitch [i.e. what you get on the meter, your timing on Pulse, or RNG'd for Classic], pitch/pitcher confidence, etc.).

If anything, 0 foul frequency would mean those were "more pure" fouls because they occurred with the smallest possible "gray area" impact from that slider.

But, no one slider works independently of the others either.

Not to make a point, I'm just asking out of pure curiosity: have you had at-bats like that happen 2-3 times in a row?

[countryboy]

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Or maybe I just found a flaw in the system? Consider that at all?

My response to Nolan was a bit out of hand, but his response annoyed the hell out of me. Copies of the game have nothing to do with bugs.

Yes I did..but I'm done with trying to help/discuss.

Afraid I might stir up the mob.

[KnightTemplar]

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Problem is this board has become toxic in the other direction.

People come to boards to vent or seek help. If you don't like it...you might be the problem. Where else can people seek help? Isn't this the place where people know the most about the game.

Some of the things in this very thread are ridiculous.


Since they now mess with the game for online play it has only gotten worse. (Denying rocket bunts??? Really??? They are horrible, we shouldn't need a "workaround")



If someone is having an issue...be constructive or don't say anything...nobody cares how you think the game should be played.

Acknowledge that the game has some problems. It does. It would be great if they would get fixed.

I have learned a lot on these boards. There were things I misunderstood and have changed over the years. I got help to understand what I was doing wrong or what is out of my control. Some times it was me. Some times it wasn't.


It just seems like the mob mentality has over taken reason to some extent. They are like automatic responses. Once one starts...then it snowballs. I have been coming to these boards for a long time. Long before I ever posted. I don't ever remember it being like this. This board kind of sucks now. Be reasonable, be kind. If someone is obviously trolling I get it. Not when the complaint is valid.

Yep, things can get ridiculous. People have bent over backwards with the OP. Beating a dead horse over and over can get ridiculous. It is obvious that there isn’t a clue as to how this game works even though people bend over backwards to help. I guess this forum can just turn into TheShowNation where just about everything is a b#tch session. That’s a joy to take part in.

The “workaround” which acknowledges a problem in the game was offered for the sanity of the OP, not as an excuse.

I don’t see the piling on, but when somethings get so absurd, people with some knowledge respond and out comes the cry of ‘fan boys’ and ‘apologist’ and that gets a little old. I don’t know anyone here who doesn’t acknowledge problems with the game and that comes from the ‘fan boys’.

[NolanRyansSnowmonkey]

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Do you honestly think the game is perfect? Bugs are in every single video game. Every single one. They're in Madden, NBA 2K, MLB: The Show, Rome 2, even way back in the days of Age of Empires. There are always bugs.

System, genre, type of game, controller, it makes no difference. No one can make an absolutely perfect game.

There's going to be bugs and quirks and glitches with their coding and programming that makes these bugs happen. That's just technology.

Let's review the tape and see...

As i have said before, no copy is unique (other than slight differences in patches). I experienced a lot of "bugs" before I got my settings and skill level balanced. I got frustrated at times trying to get there. Is the game perfect? No. But it's awesome. And no longer frustrating, other than the common frustrations that come in any 162 game season.

If you are having this many problems, the vast majority of what you are seeing is not a "bug" problem, or a "game" problem. It seems to me that it is either a settings problem or a pessimism problem.

Nope. I guess i don't think its perfect

[Vanilla_Gorilla]

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Let's review the tape and see...



Nope. I guess i don't think its perfect

Your tone in the response I was referring to believed that sentiment.

[KBLover]

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Not to make a point, I'm just asking out of pure curiosity: have you had at-bats like that happen 2-3 times in a row?

On some occasions, I've had two PAs in a row that go really long.

I have one guy who has a 32 K/9 and this happens regularly to him because he doesn't have swing and miss stuff on most days. It might not be three in a row, but there's been days where he's at 50-60 pitches and still working through the third inning.

For me, I use contact swing liberally as well as down-away influence and swinging later. All these things tend to increase raw contact at the potential cost of hit power.

I also tend to work counts and try to draw walks and make the pitchers use a lot of pitches, even if I make an out. I face more than a few 3-2 counts, so that's at least 5 pitches just to get to that point.

[Vanilla_Gorilla]

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Yep, things can get ridiculous. People have bent over backwards with the OP. Beating a dead horse over and over can get ridiculous. It is obvious that there isn’t a clue as to how this game works even though people bend over backwards to help. I guess this forum can just turn into TheShowNation where just about everything is a b#tch session. That’s a joy to take part in.

The “workaround” which acknowledges a problem in the game was offered for the sanity of the OP, not as an excuse.

I don’t see the piling on, but when somethings get so absurd, people with some knowledge respond and out comes the cry of ‘fan boys’ and ‘apologist’ and that gets a little old. I don’t know anyone here who doesn’t acknowledge problems with the game and that comes from the ‘fan boys’.

This thread was never intended to be a bashful thread about something broken in the game. It was intended to be a thread to discuss the feedback system and the issues I've seen with it and it's correlation to replay while also discussing additions to it that would make it more of a handy interface tool for the user.

My wording in certain areas early in the thread may have given off the wrong impression, to which I apologize: however, you and Nolan did decide to heat things up.

The thread remained on topic...until you showed up.

[KBLover]

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Could be, but I would think that replay would be the more accurate one since it, is in a sense, a replay of what happened.

Replay, said by the devs here years back, isn't actually a perfect replication of what happened when it comes to bat-ball contact because of how it's implemented.

Something about fewer/missing frames, etc.

It came up when someone got a swing and miss, and they used the replay and they saw the ball "go through the bat" and they were like "what's up?"

Then, we learned about the replay and how to not take it as gospel for bat-ball situations.

I still do believe feedback to always be more accurate, and now it should be moreso because it now shows the bat in 3D space and how the ball came off it and where on the bat (laterally) it hit along with the timing window graphically displayed (the wedge with the green, yellow, red colors) and how it was on that specific swing (it changes based on location of the pitch and ratings of the players). Vertical contact is extrapolated from the trajectory (a.k.a launch angle) you got on the batted ball if nothing else so lateral is more informative to me.

I know people say not to use feedback - but it was, and still is, how I make adjustments at the plate.

[KBLover]

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I honestly think feedback is completely broken in this game. It really doesn't make any sense to me. Pitchers throw 2 FB in a row... first one I am so early on despite feeling like I waited an eternity to swing...then the next one I swing as soon as the pitcher releases the pitch and I am somehow too late....

What causes this scenario to happen?

I've had that "how am I early" feeling as well (actually a lot, which is one reason why I love and live on 10/10 pitch speeds), but if I swing that early - my player almost falls over himself and I get "Too Early". Also, if I wait longer, I'll get either "less early" or end up late instead, and it still seems accurate.

Do you play Directional? I wonder if it's tied to interface. I play solely on Directional and literally have not seen this happen. I believe Vanilla plays on Zone (?) - do you play on Zone or Analog, or are you Directional as well?

I think that's what's causing the disconnect. There's Zone players who don't see this (countryboy, Nolan, jump to mind) while you, if you're Zone, and Vanilla are seeing it.

So what's different among this small group? Is it a slider? Do sliders impact the display of the bat/ball animation window? Is that also showing you as Too Late when you swing super early?

If there is a glitch/bug that has been found, it should be reproducible (and it would help the devs catch it). So let's try to reproduce it?

[Vanilla_Gorilla]

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Do you play Directional? I wonder if it's tied to interface. I play solely on Directional and literally have not seen this happen. I believe Vanilla plays on Zone (?) - do you play on Zone or Analog, or are you Directional as well?

I use Zone with Flick-Analog for hitting

[NolanRyansSnowmonkey]

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This thread was never intended to be a bashful thread about something broken in the game. It was intended to be a thread to discuss the feedback system and the issues I've seen with it and it's correlation to replay while also discussing additions to it that would make it more of a handy interface tool for the user.

My wording in certain areas early in the thread may have given off the wrong impression, to which I apologize: however, you and Nolan did decide to heat things up.

The thread remained on topic...until you showed up.

We have all tried to help you in different threads. KB is trying now. Based on the past it will be futile. I really do hope he can help you.

But it's chronic. I don't have a lot of patience when i think you are just demanding attention. Just like the posts you made in these threads that you started.

- catchers are morons
- fielding needs an overhaul
- baserunning is bugged
- free agency is total cheese,
- quick manage logic is disastrous
- players are not urgent
- comeback cheese victim thread
- PCI/Feedback is broken and somehow actually even getting worse as you go along.

In which of these threads are you looking for help? I took it for granted at first that you were. Notice that you didn't ask whether each one is broken. And you didn't ask for help. You clearly just wanted to argue that they "are."

You had already decided they are. Thats why no one can help you and are getting tired of trying.

So what is the point? Go start a blanket thread for how broken the game is or report the bug, instead of starting new thread every time to complain.

[kehlis]

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^^ Yep, that says it best and I'm tired of it. We've all bent over trying to help and you have flat out refused any assistance.

No more threads OP unless you want to start one with the genuine ask for help. If you just wanted to bitch about a particular mode with the game, find one of the hundreds of other open threads discussing something similar and post your concern there.

Thanks.