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  • Padgoi
    Banned
    • Oct 2008
    • 1873

    #1

    After 150 games, I can honestly say the show 18 has been an utter disappointment...

    I'm not even sure where to start with this, but after playing upwards of 150 games, I am so incredibly disappointed specifically with the gameplay that I've considered shelving it. I know many of you are going to disagree and that's fine, but let me explain why I'm so frustrated. Let me preface this by saying I play on Legend and my sliders are close to default with a few adjustments:

    - Pop ups - same as last year, they're totally out of control, basically because fouling the ball back doesn't exist as much as it should. In real life, batters that are under a pitch generally foul it back. In the show, it's a pop up . . . almost all the time.

    - Ball Physics in General - the pop-up issue is directly tied to the fact that the ball physics in general are just broken. You can be RIGHT on a pitch and hit a can of corn. Likewise, you can have the PCI nowhere near the ball and hit a bullet. The developers say it's a dice roll. Why? If you're right on a pitch, why is it a dice roll? Shouldn't it be directly affected by ball physics and a players strength (or contact) rating? It's a dice roll because real ball physics in this game aren't real, especially on higher difficulties. I'm tired of the game dictating when a player is in a slump. I'm tired of the game dictating when a ball is going to be a hit and when it's not. The fact is that when I'm RIGHT on a pitch, I have NO idea where it's going, I have NO idea how hard it's going to be hit and I have NO idea if it's going to be a hit or not.

    - Animations - honestly, I feel this is BY FAR the weakest point of the game. The animation system is just broken. Too many times an animation doesn't even kick in and a fielder doesn't even make a play on a ball. Other time it kicks in too early. Sometimes the wrong animation kicks in. There are FAR too many oles, fielders getting caught on the wall (a legacy issue for YEARS now that still hasn't been eradicated), outfielders taking their sweet time on singles allowing them to turn into doubles, outfielders running in mud allowing fly balls to drop in and runners to take an extra base, etc. The animation system is flat out broken.

    - Fielding - directly tied to the animation system, MANUAL fielding is an absolute nightmare, so much so that a LARGE contingent of regular users have decided to use auto fielding because manual fielding is so painful. Fielding is like one of the 3 biggest parts of baseball (hitting and pitching being the other two). When 1/3 of the game literally doesn't work so people have to simply not use it and make it auto, that's a problem.

    - Tagging - again, directly tied to the animation system. The developers made it a point to market the revamped tagging system, yet it's still as broken as ever. Way too many plays where the runner looks CLEARLY out and the ball beats the runner by easily 2 feet but the runner slides around the tag. Yes, this happens in real life on occasion. In the show, it happens every single game and usually more than once.

    - Wild pitches - yes, these can NOW be toned down using the Human and CPU Pitcher Consistency Sliders, but how about the fact that the CPU pitcher ALWAYS covers home on a wild pitch whereas the human pitcher almost never does? Try it out if you haven't already. The human pitcher will SLOWLY cover home on a wild pitch, allowing the runner to score. The CPU pitcher is a CAT, quickly covers the plate faster than any normal human should be able to and you're constantly gunned down, and this is on wild pitches that are by the backstop.

    - Grounders up the middle hitting the pitcher - horrid, simply horrid. I've seen grounders hit pitchers in the head, in the groin, in the underarm, pretty much everywhere. What's worse is they almost always unrealistically ricochet to a fielder resulting in an out. Sometimes they hit the pitcher and then bound fifteen feet up in the air and are caught on the fly. Again, this is directly tied to the broken ball physics.

    - Generated Rallies - I never feel like I shut down the CPU because I pitched well. Everything feels generated. It feels like the game dictates when a rally should happen and when it shouldn't. The incessant foul balls so a hitter stays alive. The broken bat grounders resulting in convenient infield hits. The grounders in the hole that the fielder almost always makes, yet this time he has to stop, set his feet and throw, allowing the runner to be safe. The outfielders taking their time or double pumping or crow hopping allowing the runner to take an extra base. Everything feels generated. Nothing feels real. I feel like my skill dictates almost nothing.

    Patches - I'm all for patches that fix things, but when patches DIRECTLY affect gameplay 4 months into the cycle forcing us to revise our sliders every single time, that's just insanity. There's no reason whatsoever that a patch should completely alter gameplay to the point that I have to edit my sliders every single time so it plays realistically, yet this happens EVERY SINGLE PATCH.

    I'm just so absurdly frustrated with this game. Yes, it's the best baseball game I've ever played, but that doesn't mean much when your competition is older gen games that didn't utilize the power of the PS4. It doesn't mean much when its predecessors were utilizing obsolete artificial intelligence engines. I'm sorry, but this game should be MUCH better than it is and it's not. I know many of you love the game, but every single issue I've presented above has happened to every single one of us and these things directly impact my enjoyment of the game.
  • kaptainkarl76
    Rookie
    • Mar 2010
    • 336

    #2
    Re: After 150 games, I can honestly say the show 18 has been an utter disappointment.

    You forgot about way too many double plays and commentary that is simply repetitive or broken.

    "When talking about his hitting streak...yada yada..he's slugging over .500" I heard that same line of commentary 5 times in one at-bat and way too many times during one game...Has to be a bug, but I don't think it will ever be fixed this year..

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    • bigwill33
      MVP
      • Jul 2002
      • 2281

      #3
      Re: After 150 games, I can honestly say the show 18 has been an utter disappointment.

      You guys bring up some great points. And you should be hard pressed to find many that haven't experienced everything you have mentioned.

      I do wish a lot of these things and some others were fixed or better implemented, but I also feel as though this is still the best baseball game I have ever played. And probably top 6 best sports titles of all time, in my book. But to each their own, obviously. I cannot fault anyone for being thrilled with this title, or anyone that is burnt-out or frustrated with it, either.

      All I could hope is that more people keep pointing out the shortcomings in this series and hopefully the developers still read them, and then work on them to improve them ASAP. That is something that should benefit us all, no matter where on the spectrum we fall in our liking of this game. Just try and do it constructively. I know I've gotten bent over the NHL series and other games that are less than desirable to me and it really doesn't seem to get you anywhere (unless you are some youtuber or loud mouth twitch persona, it seems).

      And as a last-ditch effort, try and hold-off on buying the game right away in the future if you are dismayed beyond belief. Wait for reviews or people you trust to give an opinion. Try and find it on the secondary market or as a rental if you can. Speaking with your wallet is still the best way to take action. Well, it should be. I fear when they look at the metadata that they see only card game modes being played and they figure that is their audience now and they forget about franchise, game play, etc. But still, money talks.

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      • tjhamstar
        Rookie
        • Mar 2013
        • 242

        #4
        Re: After 150 games, I can honestly say the show 18 has been an utter disappointment.

        Waiting for all the "pros" to come out and list all of the things you're doing "wrong" or to list how many occurences of such instances take place in "real" baseball games simply because you have a difference of opinion than they do.

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        • Bullit
          Bacon is Better
          • Aug 2009
          • 5004

          #5
          Re: After 150 games, I can honestly say the show 18 has been an utter disappointment.

          Just because you would be disappointed if I did not say something. Here we go and I think you might be surprised and not so much with my response.

          I can honestly see where your frustration with this game comes from, I really do. You know I have absolutely no problem calling you out and arguing with you when I disagree.

          However, I don't have the level of frustration that you do. I don't know if my tastes have changed or my gaming attitude as a whole has changed. But that being said I love this years game. It is my favorite of the series so far in terms of gameplay, animations and graphics. I see the issues and understand where you are coming from. You and I have had some of the greatest trolling wars against each other and I have enjoyed them all. But I cant argue with you on this. All I can really say is I dont agree 100% and I truly am enjoying this years game, so much so that I am already thinking of passing on the next one or two until significant changes come to franchise mode.

          I wish you could find the same level of happiness that I have found with it as I know you love Baseball as a true fan and I am sorry you can't.
          In Loving memory of my "Cricket" 1/2/96 - 11/19/2012

          My heart and soul hurt for your lost presence in my life.

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          • Caulfield
            Hall Of Fame
            • Apr 2011
            • 10986

            #6
            Re: After 150 games, I can honestly say the show 18 has been an utter disappointment.

            Originally posted by Padgoi
            After 150 games, I can honestly say the show 18 has been an utter disappointment.
            Originally posted by Padgoi
            Yes, it's the best baseball game I've ever played but that doesn't mean much...
            I just can't reconcile these 2 quotes.


            I definitely have my own personal issues with the Show in general, not limited to just 18, but I can't qualify it as a disappointment. The games I file that under are games that I stop playing 1 month after purchase. Very much looking forward to 19 and I've softened my stance from April/May about it not being a day one purchase. 18 has had it's disappointments for me but as a whole, that $99 couldn't have been better spent.
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            • KnightTemplar
              MVP
              • Feb 2017
              • 3282

              #7
              Re: After 150 games, I can honestly say the show 18 has been an utter disappointment.

              Originally posted by tjhamstar
              Waiting for all the "pros" to come out and list all of the things you're doing "wrong" or to list how many occurences of such instances take place in "real" baseball games simply because you have a difference of opinion than they do.

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              So, this was necessary with the OP liking your comment? That’s the real reason for the thread?

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              • tjhamstar
                Rookie
                • Mar 2013
                • 242

                #8
                Re: After 150 games, I can honestly say the show 18 has been an utter disappointment.

                Originally posted by KnightTemplar
                So, this was necessary with the OP liking your comment? That’s the real reason for the thread?
                The hell are you even talking about? I didn't create the thread, moron, and I couldn't care less if the "OP" or anyone else likes my comment, truth hurts.

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                • Will I Am
                  Pro
                  • Nov 2013
                  • 928

                  #9
                  Re: After 150 games, I can honestly say the show 18 has been an utter disappointment.

                  The game is old ,stale and done.

                  Oh and you forgot to mention bunting is broken.
                  Last edited by Will I Am; 08-29-2018, 11:58 PM.

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                  • Caulfield
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Apr 2011
                    • 10986

                    #10
                    Re: After 150 games, I can honestly say the show 18 has been an utter disappointment.

                    Originally posted by tjhamstar
                    I didn't create the thread, moron,

                    I couldn't care less if the "OP" or anyone else likes my comment, truth hurts.

                    not necessary...


                    & lies hurt far worse.






                    I really hope now that the economy is booming again, Sony is able to hire additional developers to help with the little things. There is so so much small details that could be added to franchise mode that would put it over the top. I don't think the type things I'm talking about would be hard to code, rather they're time consuming, small details that SDS lacks the manpower to tackle.
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                    • KnightTemplar
                      MVP
                      • Feb 2017
                      • 3282

                      #11
                      Re: After 150 games, I can honestly say the show 18 has been an utter disappointment.

                      Originally posted by Caulfield
                      not necessary...


                      & lies hurt far worse..
                      Eh, it seems inevitable that the "fan boy" dying defense of the game thing has to be added. All I've seen from the alleged "fan boys" is objective criticism of the game (announcing/bunting/etc., etc.) AND "fan boys" actually trying to help out some that either don't understand how the game works, etc.

                      No "fan boy" is about to jump on this thread as these things have been hashed out long ago. Could be the objective, don't know, just this "moron" pointing out how offtrack a supposed objective critique of the game can get side tracked with the "waiting for fan boy shtick".

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                      • Baseball Purist
                        Rookie
                        • May 2010
                        • 438

                        #12
                        Re: After 150 games, I can honestly say the show 18 has been an utter disappointment.

                        Unfortunately most of this can be attributed to playing on legend difficulty. This is probably my favorite iteration of the show, and I too play on legend, but I've had to come to terms with the fact I'm not playing against better AI. I'm trying to over come being handicapped in certain situations. Whether it's passed balls, untimely animations, the computer living off bloopers and weak infield hits, it comes with the territory of trying to enjoy a challenge, even if it's somewhat fabricated with some wonky happenings.

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                        • El_MaYiMbE
                          MVP
                          • Mar 2003
                          • 1427

                          #13
                          Re: After 150 games, I can honestly say the show 18 has been an utter disappointment.

                          Originally posted by Baseball Purist
                          Unfortunately most of this can be attributed to playing on legend difficulty. This is probably my favorite iteration of the show, and I too play on legend, but I've had to come to terms with the fact I'm not playing against better AI. I'm trying to over come being handicapped in certain situations. Whether it's passed balls, untimely animations, the computer living off bloopers and weak infield hits, it comes with the territory of trying to enjoy a challenge, even if it's somewhat fabricated with some wonky happenings.
                          I think the pop-ups and hitting experience is because of Legend Difficulty.
                          However, ball physics, animations, pitchers getting hit with come backers, rocket bunts, etc....is not.

                          The game is great, but I will repeat something that I have said countless times on OS...something is just "off" about the game.

                          The OP was able to articulate a lot of what that means. Each one of those items he called out on their own are minor (except pop-ups). Put them all together, and the game does not play as well as it seems.

                          It does not mean its not fun or better than anything we've played, but it is NOT the best possible representation of the sport. And these are all things that have plagued the Franchise for years.

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                          • Brewers 15
                            Rookie
                            • Mar 2015
                            • 115

                            #14
                            Re: After 150 games, I can honestly say the show 18 has been an utter disappointment.

                            I have been saying all year something is off with the game this year , nice to hear someone else say it finally, for me it is something in the tuning of the game , I just can not get good results . I hit way too much and move 1 slider 1 click and then I don’t hit enough so I move something else 1 click and it wrecks something else, tried different difficulties to no happy medium. I also would add for the love of god can they please fix analog pitching so it’s possible to walk somebody without turning up cpu hitting to the point of when you miss your spot they hit everything , love baseball , this is my go to game but this year was total frustration!!

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                            • jada855
                              Pro
                              • Aug 2013
                              • 942

                              #15
                              Re: After 150 games, I can honestly say the show 18 has been an utter disappointment.

                              Padgoi

                              Not going to agree with your post just too agree. I agree because all of your points listed above are fact based and not negative in anyway. These are not bugs and most highlight missing AI/Gameplay fundamentals of what should be in a baseball game.


                              I experience each of these from your above post. Even though I play the game through player lock mode Franchise mode 162 games every pitch and inning with game watch enabled to be specific. So I get a huge amount of exposure with this game! But the issues carry over for a reason!

                              Base running was not mentioned. But base running is a core fundamental of baseball and has not changed in this game since MLB 2014 with the exception of running animations with are just pure visual! That means every year that we have brought MLB The Show the base running experience has remained the same think about that! For CPU and User Controlled.

                              Now imagine if a good base running engine was programmed with the fundamentals of baseball in mind where it would be today!


                              Imagine if these basic baseball fundamental concepts were baked into the AI far before a graphical facelift or addition of countless game modes. MLB The Show Would be brilliant and would deserve for the words “Best Baseball Game Ever” to be uttered!

                              But the theme for MLB The Show seems to be too try and adjust bugs each year and at this rate we will not see these fundamentals until about MLB The Show 2023. It’s not about spending years trying to tweak a game. It’s like a drawing a portrait you start with a sketch to understand your subject and then you build on top of it to make a accurate drawing.

                              In MLB The Show’s case basically the foundation is not there which is why these under the hood problems are starting to reach the surface. If basic fundamentals were plugged into the gameplay about 5 years ago. You would not have the need to compensate for programming issues in 2018/2019 etc or feel you could endlessly continue to tweak the game and the fan base would never be satisfied! That’s the wrong approach!

                              Sorry but rocket bunts sounds like a cover up to a rating’s system that needs to be revamped to work and yes I have hit rocket bunts with Dee Gordon. If ratings work then why during a run down can all defensive player involved can catch and run faster than Dee Gordon (player involved in run down)! Something must be wrong under the hood!

                              MLB The Show is the only Baseball game that has a realistic graphical look of players equipment etc. But those things are not what the game of baseball is about. Defense is a terrible experience with Player Lock it does not even work. The controls listed in the menus do not work. Don’t believe me just try them! Most notably picking a man off at second. It has not worked for 5 years! Simply because the fundamental is not there to support it. The defensive cone when fly balls are hit is the biggest improvement to defensive mechanic since 2014.

                              I love base ball, I played baseball but if there are not updates to the way defense behaves in MLB 19 I just can’t do it! We will get graphical updates and some new uniform tech. But if those under the hood problem’s still exist. It will mean nothing to the fanbase that has been with the series all along. But for the new person just in they will think otherwise.
                              Proud member of the 0.04%

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