Franchise Mode is Piece of a Bigger Picture Says San Diego Studios

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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I apologize if this has already been answered elsewhere, and apologize for breaking up the fighting, but the changes to realistic contracts that they mention...is there any way this will impact carry-over saves? Or will it basically be that anyone currently under contract will end up being bargains relative to anyone that signs after I carry it over into 19 (or am I completely misunderstanding what he's referring to to begin with)?

[Therebelyell626]

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Just as an FYI. Last year they actually removed probably the biggest money maker in RTTS when they removed the ability to buy training points with stubs. That is not to say that they are not also interested in profits but if it was simply all about generating post sale revenues then i doubt that they would have removed that option.



Everyone says they they abandoned this forum because it is where the franchise players are. I could see that explanation being true if they were on some other forum posting and interacting with fans. But they aren't. You don't even see them post on their own official forums.

I absolutely believe that they still read them all (here, the show nation, reddit, twitter).

What do you mean? They are posting and responding on the shownation. Daily even. And over there 90% of the threads start off with "This game sucks", "this games trash", "hitting sucks". Even on twitter 70% of the comments are negative and unconstructive. Comments or posts way worse then anything you will see at OS.

But yes. They have strayed from this forum because of the negativity. Let's just continue that narrative.

[underdog13]

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This should should be stickied to the top of the forum and Mods should delete any non constructive criticism posts about the subject. It’s taking over every inch of the board. Enough.


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Oh like your personal attack on Caulfield the other day for no reason?

[underdog13]

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It is a video game .... who really cares.
Look @ what is going on in Venezuela.
W.W. 3 any one?
When the electricity goes out, no more wasting life's precious time on a pointless game.
Just think for a monent ....

I come here to talk about pointless stuff like video games because it relaxes me. I'm sure others agree. Let's not go there.

[Therebelyell626]

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SDS is damned if they do, damned if they don't. If he stays quiet, then people complain that they're not saying anything and not being responsive. And now that they've come out and made an attempt at talking about the negative feedback they've gotten about franchise, people are bashing it. I get people's frustrations, I do. But for people to come out and say some of the rude and nasty things they've said about the dev team is ridiculous. They are human beings also

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It's really not a damned if you do damned if you don't scenario though. Had he came out and indicated that they have a firm direction they feel the mode should go, most people would have been okay with that. The problem is they just continue to leave everything so open ended. This is where you are seeing the "lip service" comment. I am in sales so maybe I am just more programmed to read in between the lines than most when it comes to open ended statements. I don't know.

In this case I think SDS would have honestly been better of not saying anything at all. I appreciate them acknowledging the franchise fanbase concerns, but they have been acknowledging our concerns for the last 3 years without actually saying what their direction if any is for the mode.

[Mercury112491]

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Oh like your personal attack on Caulfield the other day for no reason?

I wouldn’t have had an issue if a mod removed that and I got a warning. His Schtick is old.


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[billyo]

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I am not buying what SDS is 'selling'. An insult in my opinion to us offline franchise players to think we can't see through what was said. Yes IMO it was damage control.

OR they are really out of touch with the offline franchise guys.

[Therebelyell626]

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It is a video game .... who really cares.
Look @ what is going on in Venezuela.
W.W. 3 any one?
When the electricity goes out, no more wasting life's precious time on a pointless game.
Just think for a monent ....

Geeze.... your a pretty serious guy aren't you?

[Archie56]

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It's really not a damned if you do damned if you don't scenario though. Had he came out and indicated that they have a firm direction they feel the mode should go, most people would have been okay with that. The problem is they just continue to leave everything so open ended. This is where you are seeing the "lip service" comment. I am in sales so maybe I am just more programmed to read in between the lines than most when it comes to open ended statements. I don't know.

In this case I think SDS would have honestly been better of not saying anything at all. I appreciate them acknowledging the franchise fanbase concerns, but they have been acknowledging our concerns for the last 3 years without actually saying what their direction if any is for the mode.

I get where you're coming from. I am in sales too so I understand your thinking. When I first started in sales there were many a time I talked myself right OUT of a sale by saying too much.

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[Mercury112491]

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"If you can't tell the difference..." Easy, maybe we also shouldn't take things too personally. It was obvious he's "fed up", I like what he's done on his own for the game, but geez, it does come from both sides. It would be nice if everyone could be diplomatic, but it's the internet. Some brave people sit at their keyboards and I don't think that's going to change anytime soon. It's in the hands of the moderators.

Lol I didn’t take anything personnel and I pretty much agree with everything you just said.


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[WaitTilNextYear]

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SDS is damned if they do, damned if they don't. If he stays quiet, then people complain that they're not saying anything and not being responsive. And now that they've come out and made an attempt at talking about the negative feedback they've gotten about franchise, people are bashing it. I get people's frustrations, I do. But for people to come out and say some of the rude and nasty things they've said about the dev team is ridiculous. They are human beings also

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100% agree that nobody should be getting personal with the devs or insulting them personally. I think it's ok to pick apart their statements, though, and examine them a bit.

In some ways you're exactly right. I almost feel like not having this article/thread in the first place would've been better--it seemed to me that people were mostly winding down in the full-throated criticism phase about what was not added to the game this year. Having this thread is like opening a wound that was just about calloused over, lol.

To me, it's about what are they doing to the game not what are they saying about it. If I (and others, I think) perceived that they were making good, steady progress toward the stuff we've wanted for years, then it wouldn't be this damned situation that you describe. If they hadn't removed season mode the way they did. If they hadn't removed online franchise to sit in limbo. If they weren't paying lip service to franchise while fully re-constructing DD each year and focusing on new, better ways to hawk pre-sales...their actions speak quite loudly and a dev coming out and saying "you guys have it all wrong, it's not what you think!" is not going to change that perception. What would change that is a nice focus on the actual franchise mode itself for MLB 20 The Show, rather than continuing to find ways you can play it less and play it faster.

To say one thing after you've done another just makes it worse. We are little memory goblins, after all! Most of us understand--to some degree--that other modes get more attention, but don't try to tell us you're all in on something when the evidence is clear that's not the case.

[jb12780]

Franchise Mode is Piece of a Bigger Picture Says San Diego Studios

They say that franchise mode can be cumbersome, yet how many hours does it take to unlock all of the immortals in DD? Less than or more than playing a whole 162 game season in franchise mode? Would be an interesting case study.


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[KnightTemplar]

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Lol I didn’t take anything personnel and I pretty much agree with everything you just said.


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I meant the people on the forum, not you. All good man. One day there will be Nirvana......just not here. Peace, bro.

[knich]

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There's still a difference between constructive feedback/criticism and calling the developers either liars or full of BS/spin when they explain reasoning behind their decisions.

While this thread has some of the constructive elements, it's certainly not devoid of the trash-tier elements either -- including saying our writer is paid off by Sony to write about this.

At the end of the day, finding the difference between the two is the gold standard in any large forum such as this.

PS, developers aren't sent out to lie about their creation process. There's nothing in it for them to do that -- after all, none of you forget, and most of you are like little memory goblins that way. They're generally trying to make things they want to make that they think are cool and good. It's not really a profession you want to kill yourself doing day after day if that isn't the process because making money for X company isn't going to be enough to keep you going in the long run. In other words, it's probably just logical to believe what they're saying most of the time.

PPS, don't misconstrue this as me saying y'all can't be unhappy you aren't getting more from franchise mode. It's just that it's easy enough to say "hey I want more, and here's what I want" rather than doing the other garbage. Or it can be "hey, I get what you're doing with this direction of things, but why can't you do X and Y and Z to tie into this new direction and make franchise mode deeper all at once."

I find it ironic defending posters who are critical of SDS since I have been one of the most vocal defenders of SDS. That said, I agree there is a big difference between constructive criticism and calling developers liars. But the feedback in this thread related to the specific article that included developer comments that were if not outright lies then extremely misleading/deceptive.

This is the quote most people are angry about: “I read Operations Sports. I read all 26-plus pages from last night’s stream,” Livingston said. “I’m very in-touch with the Operation Sports community. I see a lot of the discussions back and forth, feeling like we’re money motivated and we’re not. We’re not at all, and it’s not a consideration.” SDS is a for profit business. Of course it is motivated by money. And there is nothing wrong with that. I have bought the game at least twice just from purchasing STUBS for RTTS. I am not complaining as I had a choice..but don't say that making money is "not a consideration." I haven't even touched on DD. So you have to call a spade a spade. And the folks in this thread called BS as do I. That is not an attack...that is a fact.

Now folks can agree to disagree on whether SDS has done enough this year to address franchise by simply adding real contracts: “I feel like we’ve done enough this year, with the amount of focus we put on Road to the Show, with the amount of focus we put on March to October.” Note the quote makes no specific reference to franchise. This is what folks on this thread are critical about...And I think they have been civil but blunt. SDS also has to be fair to the consumer. It goes both ways.

[TheWarmWind]

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SDS is damned if they do, damned if they don't. If he stays quiet, then people complain that they're not saying anything and not being responsive. And now that they've come out and made an attempt at talking about the negative feedback they've gotten about franchise, people are bashing it. I get people's frustrations, I do. But for people to come out and say some of the rude and nasty things they've said about the dev team is ridiculous. They are human beings also

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It's true, there was no way to avoid negative blowback from the franchise loving community.

But if you were to go back in time and be put in charge of PR at SDS, and Nick came up to you as said "I'm about to go do an interview with OS talking about franchise" what would your response be?

Personally, I would chain him to a chair before I let him go do that interview, especially if I knew he was going to say something like "Franchise needs to be more accessible to casual players". Saying something like that directly to a hardcore franchise community was always going to evoke a vitriolic response.

It's true that silence would have created negative feelings as well, but do you really think it would have been worse than this?

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