Franchise Mode is Piece of a Bigger Picture Says San Diego Studios

[BigOscar]

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Personally, I think it's incredibly optimistic to think Mto becoming very popular will lead to more development into franchise. It seems far more likely that SDS would see that as confirmation that less is more when it comes to franchise and we'd see more attention to shorter versions like Mto and less to franchise.

[Grnngld]

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The argument that ancillary developments can lead to more players playing Franchise has been made countless times in recent years. People used to argue that Phases, quick counts, updated UI menus etc, and now MTO, could all lead to more Franchise players (because accessibility) and therefore, implicitly were justifying the lack of improving actual Franchise mode.

It's become tiring listening to these same arguments over the last 3-4 years. I suggest that SDS pursue a new strategy of getting players into Franchise by actually making substantial improvements to Franchise.

[Scooter3]

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2020 I'm looking for a season come back but this time I want stat carryover I don't want to trade I don't want to do any office work I want to play the game with the created Legends I made. Control of numbers on the jerseys maybe you can throw in some baggy uniforms. Maybe you can offer a selection of shorter seasons. large selection of audio names.
Don't lock anything up Don't force me to trade Simplicity Simplicity simplicity The rosters are my rosters I don't need any of today's players. The ability to trade my players no waivers.
Here's an example of one of over 400 of my players20190307_163536.jpg

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[WaitTilNextYear]

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The argument that ancillary developments can lead to more players playing Franchise has been made countless times in recent years. People used to argue that Phases, quick counts, updated UI menus etc, and now MTO, could all lead to more Franchise players (because accessibility) and therefore, implicitly were justifying the lack of improving actual Franchise mode.

It's become tiring listening to these same arguments over the last 3-4 years. I suggest that SDS pursue a new strategy of getting players into Franchise by actually making substantial improvements to Franchise.

Same was said about DD. That mode was to be a rising tide to lift all boats to paraphrase the late JFK. The cash they'd make would allow them to invest in all the other modes that were less monetized. That was the argument at the time, much like people are arguing MTO today. Hasn't really happened that way (my opinion). I'd be happy to be wrong about that with a face-meltingly awesome development cycle for franchise mode in the future.

[Dannywhatever]

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I literally just want rotating interleague schedules. Sucks playing franchise and never getting to experience all of the stadiums.

A thousand times this.

[MLB14]

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I'm not a fan of soccer. There's nothing a soccer video game could do to make me play it or be more interested in soccer.

That's my take on the MTO intention. I'm not trying to be a prick. I'm just being honest.

[ninertravel]

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I'm not a fan of soccer. There's nothing a soccer video game could do to make me play it or be more interested in soccer.

That's my take on the MTO intention. I'm not trying to be a prick. I'm just being honest.

Just on Soccer though, Fifa games don;t even have a option to play a full 90 min games... so that tells you right there they aim for casual fans.. you can't also control every single team in any season or franchise mode. all they care about is the ultimate team crap.

[coach422001]

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Just on Soccer though, Fifa games don;t even have a option to play a full 90 min games... so that tells you right there they aim for casual fans.. you can't also control every single team in any season or franchise mode. all they care about is the ultimate team crap.

well to be fair to control every team in a season or career mode: there are 92 teams in England alone, three divisions of the bundesliga, two (I think) of La Liga, plus about another 15 or so leagues, all of which can transfer to each other, so that'd be some pretty heavy dedication to control all of that. And you can set up a tournament mode to play every game and control every team in that league of that season; there are a few on the Fifa boards like Liverpoolred who do this.

I don't play basketball anymore. I don't watch college hoops. I hardly watch NBA basketball. Enough people compared Madden, The Show and Fifa to what NBA2K offers, so I bought it. I really enjoy it. I can't wait to try expanding the league and coming up with new rules off season. And now I watch more basketball than I did before. And people on the 2k site b**** about the game constantly, and I get b****ed at because I said that I know the least about basketball of the four major US team sports and soccer, and that's the reason they say why NBA2k will never improve, because they lured someone like me in.

So if a casual baseball fan picks up MLB the Show or someone buys it for their kid and they enjoy the game even if they don't want to play franchise I don't really care, I'm glad someone is enjoying it and maybe will enjoy more real baseball.

[ShowTyme15]

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The problem I have with the create-a-stadium argument they've made in the past is it's so circular...we can't add it in because it would take so much work and we want to "do it right." And, because it would take so much work, we don't even try to add it in (because it would take so much work and you'd never get any other franchise mode upgrades). So, we just exist in a state of paralysis about the whole idea.

I do think you have something with innovating a little bit if they're not willing/able to innovate a lot. Makes sense to me.



You would know more than me as I've never worked in IT. But, wouldn't it seem strange to decide to slog away at something for months that would only be received as a minor deal? It doesn't pass the smell test, imo. Pick something else that would be easier and would be received with more exultation. Maybe they are conflating the legal effort (?) it took with development effort...as a [potential] customer, I don't really care about their lawyer's billable hours in this matter. lol



That's a pretty big stretch for a franchise mode player to accept. I click on FRANCHISE and the mode is the same (with some updated contracts). That's the bottom line. What they worked on is a different mode. Maybe that mode pays dividends for us down the line, but we're talking '20 or '21 before anything positive happens in that respect (if it were to happen at all). By then, franchise guys might be playing 'Pitchfork Simulator' instead.

If not create a ballpark then I wish they would do what ASB used to do and what Madden does now and just have futuristic stadiums that we can choose to move into. I'd say have 10 or so different types to choose from (More than 10 if possible). This could solve some of this. Combine some things like someone else mentioned in the thread like choosing ribbon board, jumbotron, HR, Strikeout packages. Ability to select the behind homeplate logo or mound logo and just allow customization that way. Add placements things like that.

[Therebelyell626]

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I was already on the fence, but with the news that The artist formerly known as "OSFM" won't be dropping until summer I will be skipping this year. I may pick up in the summer when the roster drops but I doubt I will still be interested by then. This makes doing rebuilds completely pointless and just kills the immersion for me.

I would like to get into OOTP but if I can't play the games then I just can't see myself getting into it. I will however be spending the money I was going to spend on the show on OOTP even if I don't play it to support Ridin for all of the enjoyment he has given me out of this game over the years.

I really had fun going back and forth and participating in these forums this year. Even the guys who I didn't necessarily agree with it has been real. It's a sad day, this will be the first time the show is not a day one pick up for me since David wright was on the cover and this may be the first time I actually skip completely. Good luck to everybody this year, and for those of you sticking with it, I hope you enjoy it. See you guys in the madden forums in August.

[KSUowls]

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I appreciate them attempting to respond to the backlash of yet another year of not offering a deeper franchise mode I guess, but I think it did more damage than anything.

One of two things is clear. Either this was just playing lip service as a form of damage control or the development team is massively out of touch with what a deeper franchise/GM mode actually is as well as being blind to basis for different game modes. I'm not sure that either scenario is less concerning. I mean...the fact that more realistic contracts is considered a "massive step forward" for franchise mode is a problem, whether it's them trying to pull one over on us or a true belief that this one addition alone is going to offer a truly more immersive experience. It's also a problem that this one overhaul is presented in this interview as being multiple steps. It's a single addition to the game that would have been great if paired along with an overhauled scouting system or any of the dozens of other ideas we've seen. On it's own though (because it truly is just 1 addition) it's kind of weak.

It's also a problem that there seems to be a misunderstanding as to why games might have different game modes. Cross features are great, but you still have to know why a person would choose DD, RTS, or Franchise. The player is looking for a specific experience. Providing tools that might get more people interested in a particular mode is great, but that does not do anything to add depth for the people who already enjoyed it. It's a quality of life change at best, and not something to hang your hat on for a mode that has essentially been static for several years now in terms of depth.


I keep clicking on this sub-forum and update articles like this in hopes that there is some new reveal that will get me excited for this game again. If anything, this interview just cemented the fact that MLB the Show is no longer a series for me and this will make the 2nd year in a row where I skip having a non-text sim game of my favorite sport.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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This could be a gateway drug for lack of a better term to a much younger generation of baseball video gamers to take it to the next step and go all in on franchise mode. Again they can play franchise mode with everything on auto at first and begin to familiarize themselves to all the intricacies of the mode.

If 1 out of 10 or even 1 out of 20 become franchise mode players it is a win.


I don’t think some people realize how daunting franchise mode can be for a new young gamer/sports gamer.

If you are not growing you are dying.

We need new franchise mode players folks. And that is going to come from the new generation of MLB The Show players.



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New franchise mode players would be swell. But they are starting to hemorrhage their old franchise players. And I hate to say I told you so, but I predicted many many months ago that making lackluster progress in franchise year after year would cause old heads to lose interest. Some of the old guard losing interest and being driven into full-time OOTP/PYS status causes obvious problems (we can be vocal and nagging memory goblins, Sony loses revenue) and less obvious ones. For example, these old heads have been some of the bedrock in the community with creating post-release content to make this game better. We're already starting to see some of the ramifications in the roster community with both "OSFM" and Hybrid rosters having more uncertainty this year than I can ever remember. Sure, there will be other rosters out there in the vault for people to use this year--maybe even some decent ones--but can anyone really imagine The Show without OSFM (whatever it's to be called these days)? How did things get this far? It feels like Vito Corleone going to a meeting of the five families after they massacred his boy...very somber and disappointing.

[GWPump23]

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My whole problem (lack of a better term) is that MTO is an addition by subtraction. I mean what does MTO offer that franchise simming doesn’t? Momentum? MTO may actually force one to play more/ less games or experience more/less moments than they might want...

SDS has already giving us the tools to speed things along within franchise mode. Fast forward, quick counts, quick manage & the ability play an entire game/season while controlling an individual player with player lock have been great, thank you!

Ignoring Franchise mode & exhausting an entire development cycle developing a mode where we have to play it YOUR way just doesn’t feel right...

-GW-

[ericjwm]

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Been said before and should be said again.. 2020 is the perfect date for EA to step in with a new MVP. Sony San Diego needs to feel the pressure to get more done with each annual release.

The Show 18 though really is the best Baseball game ever, so I will be sticking with that and skipping 19 in hopes that 20 will give way to two major baseball titles. The excitement and anticipation when a new MVP Baseball game is announced will be flat out off the f*ck*** charts. As it should be.

[King Gro23]

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Been said before and should be said again.. 2020 is the perfect date for EA to step in with a new MVP. Sony San Diego needs to feel the pressure to get more done with each annual release.

The Show 18 though really is the best Baseball game ever, so I will be sticking with that and skipping 19 in hopes that 20 will give way to two major baseball titles. The excitement and anticipation when a new MVP Baseball game is announced will be flat out off the f*ck*** charts. As it should be.

What have you been drinking tonight?

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