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  • tessl
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    • Apr 2007
    • 5684

    #256
    Re: Franchise Mode is Piece of a Bigger Picture Says San Diego Studios

    Originally posted by zippy2212
    I hope this is the case. But I'm guessing if a guy is signed for 80k, after he is brought up his salary will stay the same.


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    That would be unfortunate but wouldn't surprise me. I submitted a bug report last year. Maybe somebody acted on it - or maybe not. On the list of things in franchise which need to be added or upgraded that's probably not in the top 20 but it would be nice to see it fixed since they have taken the time to address contracts.

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    • WaitTilNextYear
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      • Mar 2013
      • 16830

      #257
      Re: Franchise Mode is Piece of a Bigger Picture Says San Diego Studios

      Originally posted by Armor and Sword
      Then don’t add it. Really? How about doing it right. If we had a relocation feature not being able to do things like in 2K’s My League or NHL 19 it would be so half baked.

      A bone? No I would want a meal. And SDS would not throw out a limp feature like a simple relocate feature like you mentioned above. It has been talked about so much....if they just did what you suggest? It would be laughable and ridiculed.
      Originally posted by sfpxgalaxy
      I don't mind if they do it incrementally as long as they do it.
      It's better to have a bare bone relocation system in The Show 20 and an updated relocation feature in The Show 21 than no relocation at all.

      Anyway there should be some sort of a relocation feature or custom team in the next edition. Pretty inexcusable that we still don't have this (unless, like I said , it's a MLB licensing issue).
      Yeah, the whole wait until we can do it right argument is only convincing if they actually get around to it. To put something off for 10+ years because you "can't do it right" ceases to be a valid excuse at some point.
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      • BigOscar
        MVP
        • May 2016
        • 2971

        #258
        Re: Franchise Mode is Piece of a Bigger Picture Says San Diego Studios

        Originally posted by WaitTilNextYear
        Yeah, the whole wait until we can do it right argument is only convincing if they actually get around to it. To put something off for 10+ years because you "can't do it right" ceases to be a valid excuse at some point.
        To be fair, the argument for adding it bare bones and then have them improve it over time logic isn't great either, considering the way they've never done that with any other feature they implement. They've generally just added a feature and then never gone back to fine tune or improve it.

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        • Funkycorm
          Cleveland Baseball Guru
          • Nov 2016
          • 3159

          #259
          Re: Franchise Mode is Piece of a Bigger Picture Says San Diego Studios

          Originally posted by sfpxgalaxy
          I don't mind if they do it incrementally as long as they do it.
          It's better to have a bare bone relocation system in The Show 20 and an updated relocation feature in The Show 21 than no relocation at all.

          Anyway there should be some sort of a relocation feature or custom team in the next edition. Pretty inexcusable that we still don't have this (unless, like I said , it's a MLB licensing issue).
          Honestly, I don't think it should be half hearted. Use that time you would dedicate to that to improve scouting, improve the draft, and/or give us full A rosters and 130 player rosters.

          I can only think of one relocation in baseball in the last 30 years and that is the Expos. It's not a huge part of the league and not vital to the franchise mode itself. Would it be cool if done correctly? Yes, definitely. But I think resource could be used elsewhere.
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          • Armor and Sword
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            • Sep 2010
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            #260
            Re: Franchise Mode is Piece of a Bigger Picture Says San Diego Studios

            Originally posted by WaitTilNextYear
            Yeah, the whole wait until we can do it right argument is only convincing if they actually get around to it. To put something off for 10+ years because you "can't do it right" ceases to be a valid excuse at some point.
            Dude...I am not making any excuses for them. But if you tell me just put in a simple bare bones relocation....vs truly developing it. Develop it the right way like NHL and NBA did out of the box.

            That was my point.
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            • Armor and Sword
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              • Sep 2010
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              #261
              Re: Franchise Mode is Piece of a Bigger Picture Says San Diego Studios

              Originally posted by BigOscar
              To be fair, the argument for adding it bare bones and then have them improve it over time logic isn't great either, considering the way they've never done that with any other feature they implement. They've generally just added a feature and then never gone back to fine tune or improve it.
              Correct and that is the big are of opportunity with franchise mode. It has a lot of things that are already there that need to be expanded on and improved/tuned properly.

              But if they are going to revamp an area of franchise mode from scratch...please redo scouting, drafting and player development. That is the real major area of opportunity to make that part of the team building process truly deeper and more immersive.
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              • b22gamer
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                • Mar 2010
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                #262
                This was a horse**** interview. 

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                • WaitTilNextYear
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                  • Mar 2013
                  • 16830

                  #263
                  Re: Franchise Mode is Piece of a Bigger Picture Says San Diego Studios

                  Originally posted by Armor and Sword
                  Dude...I am not making any excuses for them. But if you tell me just put in a simple bare bones relocation....vs truly developing it. Develop it the right way like NHL and NBA did out of the box.

                  That was my point.
                  I'm not sure what I would choose if Sony gave me the choice to have a bare bones relocation feature now or a really deep expansion mode in 5-10 years from now. Of course, a really deep expansion mode now would be the best of all worlds.
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                  • countryboy
                    Growing pains
                    • Sep 2003
                    • 52760

                    #264
                    Franchise Mode is Piece of a Bigger Picture Says San Diego Studios

                    Originally posted by xXInfectedXx
                    I couldn't agree more. At least like ... make an attempt, right?


                    If they put in a barebones expansion/relocation then the rhetoric around would be that SDS put this in half-assed and did it to only shut the community up

                    Then the same they are lazy, don’t care, etc... comments would follow


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                    • tessl
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                      • Apr 2007
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                      #265
                      Re: Franchise Mode is Piece of a Bigger Picture Says San Diego Studios

                      Originally posted by countryboy
                      If they put in a barebones expansion/relocation then the rhetoric around would be that SDS put this in half-assed and did it to only shut the community up

                      Then the same they are lazy, don’t care, etc... comments would follow


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                      They could program it in short order - just add the create-a-team feature from DD to franchise. I'd like to see them at least explain why the won't or can't do it. Maybe MLB is blocking it but that seems odd since every NBA, NFL and NHL allow it in one form or another.

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                      • countryboy
                        Growing pains
                        • Sep 2003
                        • 52760

                        #266
                        Re: Franchise Mode is Piece of a Bigger Picture Says San Diego Studios

                        Originally posted by tessl
                        They could program it in short order - just add the create-a-team feature from DD to franchise. I'd like to see them at least explain why the won't or can't do it. Maybe MLB is blocking it but that seems odd since every NBA, NFL and NHL allow it in one form or another.


                        I can tell you it’s on their list and they know it’s a high priority of the community.

                        The reasons it’s not been done yet are time, resources, and memory.




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                        • pingponggame
                          Rookie
                          • Aug 2007
                          • 101

                          #267
                          Re: Franchise Mode is Piece of a Bigger Picture Says San Diego Studios

                          To be honest, and this just might be me, but I got the feeling that the batting stance editor was kind of “rushed” if you will. My experiences with it dont’t really allow for a wide range of stances. Sure you can edit anyone’s, but I was thinking they’d expand on it further this year; namely hand and leg postitions being more malleable. There is only so much flexibility with the feature in its current state. It’s completely possible that they have maxed out the potential for this feature as well.
                          As some has alluded to, I just hope it doesn’t take 5+ years to revisit this feature and add some polish.

                          Please excuse my overuse of “feature” for lack of a better term.
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                          • WaitTilNextYear
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                            • Mar 2013
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                            #268
                            Re: Franchise Mode is Piece of a Bigger Picture Says San Diego Studios

                            Originally posted by countryboy
                            If they put in a barebones expansion/relocation then the rhetoric around would be that SDS put this in half-assed and did it to only shut the community up

                            Then the same they are lazy, don’t care, etc... comments would follow


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                            I'm not sure developing a game solely to avoid mean comments from keyboard warriors is a viable strategy, lol. No matter how good the game actually is, there will be some fraction of people out there venting frustrations at this game. Some of it is valid, some is less valid. To use avoidance of mean comments as a rationale for not making additions and improvements strikes me as counterproductive.
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                            • Bobhead
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                              • Mar 2011
                              • 4926

                              #269
                              Re: Franchise Mode is Piece of a Bigger Picture Says San Diego Studios

                              What gets to me the most about this is the excuses. They keep saying that "they don't have the resources" and "RTTS (used to be DD) is the most popular mode so it is the priority". But that's putting the chicken before the egg.

                              SDS claims franchise mode gets less attention because it is less popular. In reality, it is less popular because it repeatedly gets less attention. Why would a large number of people play franchise mode in its current state? Why would you expect people to flock to any mode OTHER than RTTS when RTTS is the only mode you focus on?

                              Don't get me wrong, I love the game, and the team, but no one is perfect, and this "not popular enough" trope is a silly and complacent statement that we've basically heard 10 years in a row. Imagine if Microsoft never developed a PC because the first computer wasn't popular? What if Amazon never invested in its business because its initial business (books) was declining? Imagine all the things that wouldn't even exist if everyone adopted the SDS/Sony style of reasoning and focused primarily on things that were already successful?

                              You have to invest in a product BEFORE it becomes popular, not after. A little proactivity could go a long way.
                              Last edited by Bobhead; 03-18-2019, 10:01 PM.

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                              • AUTiger1
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                                • Oct 2008
                                • 2413

                                #270
                                Re: Franchise Mode is Piece of a Bigger Picture Says San Diego Studios

                                Is contracts the only change made to franchise mode?
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