Franchise Mode is Piece of a Bigger Picture Says San Diego Studios

[GoDucks1224]

Franchise Mode is Piece of a Bigger Picture Says San Diego Studios

What makes memory such a problem for The Show? Why can 2K pack their game full of an insane amount of things, including numerous uniforms (and their alternate courts if applicable) and a ton of accessories, a ton of game modes including the best (and deepest, encompassing the entire CBA) franchise in sports games and a deep career mode, a full relocation and expansion with create a stadium, an all time team for every single team, dozens of historical teams (plus their courts and uniforms), as well as the most extensive commentary in sports games... and The Show doesn’t have enough memory to add more alternate uniforms, or create a stadium, etc? Can someone who knows anything about game design explain this to me? That has just seemed like a baffling excuse for years since 2K has been revolutionizing sports games. I’m not even saying this to be rude or anything, I genuinely do not understand it.

[countryboy]

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I'm not sure developing a game solely to avoid mean comments from keyboard warriors is a viable strategy, lol. No matter how good the game actually is, there will be some fraction of people out there venting frustrations at this game. Some of it is valid, some is less valid. To use avoidance of mean comments as a rationale for not making additions and improvements strikes me as counterproductive.

Where did I ever suggest this was their reasoning?

I was simply stating my opinion on what would happen if they implemented a barebones expansion mode.


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[billyo]

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Maybe SDS should ask the staff of All Star Baseball for help, seeing that they were doing some of these things several years ago.

[Dolenz]

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They could program it in short order - just add the create-a-team feature from DD to franchise. I'd like to see them at least explain why the won't or can't do it. Maybe MLB is blocking it but that seems odd since every NBA, NFL and NHL allow it in one form or another.

I never make the assumption that something could be done in short order. I highly doubt it is as easy as just slapping the DD create a team into Franchise. There are a lot of moving parts and interconnected systems running under the hood that could make it a pretty complex change.


Sometimes it is easier to add these type of features from the outset than it is to retrofit them in later.


So, maybe it is simple and could be done in short order or maybe it is more complex than any of us know. None of us can know for sure.

[bigwill33]

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What makes memory such a problem for The Show? Why can 2K pack their game full of an insane amount of things, including numerous uniforms (and their alternate courts if applicable) and a ton of accessories, a ton of game modes including the best (and deepest, encompassing the entire CBA) franchise in sports games and a deep career mode, a full relocation and expansion with create a stadium, an all time team for every single team, dozens of historical teams (plus their courts and uniforms), as well as the most extensive commentary in sports games... and The Show doesn’t have enough memory to add more alternate uniforms, or create a stadium, etc? Can someone who knows anything about game design explain this to me? That has just seemed like a baffling excuse for years since 2K has been revolutionizing sports games. I’m not even saying this to be rude or anything, I genuinely do not understand it.

We can’t know for sure, but the main factor I would imagine is simply roster size. MLBtS is using memory on thousands of players, where as NBA games are maybe a few hundred.

SDS has stated to us that their uniforms and ballparks are huge files and take up a ton of memory. They’ve stated that they’re at near max capacity for uniform memory as a result and that is why they can’t add more or patch in those elements mid year. So until they change their uniform system or new technology arrived we are likely stuck on that front.

Creating an basketball arena or hockey arena is likely way easier than designing these ballparks in the show. The court or rink is universally attributed with the same physics for each one. Whereas a baseball stadium only has the same size infield and would need hit and impact detection with the baseball and players for every angle and crevice of the park in play, and some of the stands as well. Clearly the intricacies of the design of the stadiums in the Show are nuanced in such a way that the devs take years building them and perfecting them to the best of their abilities. The resources to include a create a stadium might be staggering and not worth the ROI.

Those are just a few of the reasons.

[KSUowls]

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Yeah, the whole wait until we can do it right argument is only convincing if they actually get around to it. To put something off for 10+ years because you "can't do it right" ceases to be a valid excuse at some point.

100% this. At some point anything is better than nothing. This reminds me of the dev team at Blizzard with the game Overwatch. From the time the game was released in mid 2016 they publicly stated that they wanted to add a clan feature into the game, basically a tool people could use to form static groups to play with...well they had this really ambitious idea for what they wanted to do, but it was going to require a rework of the entire battle.net system and buy in from other Blizzard games that use the system. Overwatch released May 2016 and one of the most requested features is still not in the game here in March 2019 because they can't do it exactly how they want. Point being that sds can't just make excuses over and over.

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[Bmw34542]

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I have a question about the franchise mode schedule. I just recently got a ps4 after playing MLB 2K13 for the last multiple years so I know nothing about the show. Will there be a "Real and up to date" schedule in franchise mode? Like, March 28th, 2019 is opening day for the Yankees and they start the season against the Orioles. After 3 games they play the Tigers for 3. Then they play the Orioles again for 3 games. Will the schedule in franchise mode this year be the same as real life? Thanks guys!

[countryboy]

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I have a question about the franchise mode schedule. I just recently got a ps4 after playing MLB 2K13 for the last multiple years so I know nothing about the show. Will there be a "Real and up to date" schedule in franchise mode? Like, March 28th, 2019 is opening day for the Yankees and they start the season against the Orioles. After 3 games they play the Tigers for 3. Then they play the Orioles again for 3 games. Will the schedule in franchise mode this year be the same as real life? Thanks guys!

Yes you’ll play the correct 2019 schedule

The only games I’m not expecting to be 100% correct are the games in Japan, Mexico and London


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[tessl]

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I never make the assumption that something could be done in short order. I highly doubt it is as easy as just slapping the DD create a team into Franchise. There are a lot of moving parts and interconnected systems running under the hood that could make it a pretty complex change.


Sometimes it is easier to add these type of features from the outset than it is to retrofit them in later.


So, maybe it is simple and could be done in short order or maybe it is more complex than any of us know. None of us can know for sure.

Nah - I replace Miami with my created team. The only thing that changes is the team name, location and uniforms. If weather is an issue then simply keep the team at the same location as the team being replaced.

Simple.

[MJDrocks]

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How freaking cool would an expansion option be in this game? Seeing as they can't even manage rotating interleague schedules I doubt we'll see that in the game until maybe 2023.

[RogerDodger]

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What makes memory such a problem for The Show? Why can 2K pack their game full of an insane amount of things, including numerous uniforms (and their alternate courts if applicable) and a ton of accessories, a ton of game modes including the best (and deepest, encompassing the entire CBA) franchise in sports games and a deep career mode, a full relocation and expansion with create a stadium, an all time team for every single team, dozens of historical teams (plus their courts and uniforms), as well as the most extensive commentary in sports games... and The Show doesn’t have enough memory to add more alternate uniforms, or create a stadium, etc? Can someone who knows anything about game design explain this to me? That has just seemed like a baffling excuse for years since 2K has been revolutionizing sports games. I’m not even saying this to be rude or anything, I genuinely do not understand it.

Not least the fact that I can see the stats for my player for every game over the 82 game season just by checking his profile, something I’d love to be able to do in The Show (even if it were by series if they can’t handle it for every game).

[Impetuous65]

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What makes memory such a problem for The Show? Why can 2K pack their game full of an insane amount of things, including numerous uniforms (and their alternate courts if applicable) and a ton of accessories, a ton of game modes including the best (and deepest, encompassing the entire CBA) franchise in sports games and a deep career mode, a full relocation and expansion with create a stadium, an all time team for every single team, dozens of historical teams (plus their courts and uniforms), as well as the most extensive commentary in sports games... and The Show doesn’t have enough memory to add more alternate uniforms, or create a stadium, etc? Can someone who knows anything about game design explain this to me? That has just seemed like a baffling excuse for years since 2K has been revolutionizing sports games. I’m not even saying this to be rude or anything, I genuinely do not understand it.

Never bought that argument, just listened and kept moving, and some still bringing up time and resources as if that is a hindrance.

[countryboy]

Franchise Mode is Piece of a Bigger Picture Says San Diego Studios

Never bought that argument, just listened and kept moving, and some still bringing up time and resources as if that is a hindrance.

Whether you choose to accept it or not, time and resources (manpower) is a hindrance for any developer especially when they are required to deliver a new game yearly.

Time and manpower is not infinite

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[Impetuous65]

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Whether you choose to accept it or not, time and resources (manpower) is a hindrance for any developer especially when they are required to deliver a new game yearly.

Time and manpower is not infinite

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You can try and crystallize it all you want. I don't give them no passes after over a 2 decades of making this game. They prioritize what they want to work on, and history teaches me that is the bare minimum.

[JayhawkerStL]

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Whether you choose to accept it or not, time and resources (manpower) is a hindrance for any developer especially when they are required to deliver a new game yearly.

Time and manpower is not infinite

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Dude, that is not going to work with the entitled masses. They know what they want, and anyone that refuses to cater to them are either lazy or greedy. They are so far gone from having realistic conversations about the industry that it's better to just listen and keep moving.