Contact - Swings & Misses - Strikeouts

[countryboy]

Re: Contact - Swings & Misses - Strikeouts

I don't mean to keep bumping this thread, but one thing that I've learned this year that is different than last year is that pitching off the fastball, or your primary pitch, is key this year. Throwing the fastball and moving it around the zone is a very important part of the equation of setting up hitters for the strikeout.

Just wanted to share.

[BBHH1989]

Re: Contact - Swings & Misses - Strikeouts

Do you let the catcher decide which pitch and location you throw to? I feel often that their suggestions especially on 2 strike pitches are not fitting. I often feel the need to throw something different


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[countryboy]

Re: Contact - Swings & Misses - Strikeouts

Do you let the catcher decide which pitch and location you throw to? I feel often that their suggestions especially on 2 strike pitches are not fitting. I often feel the need to throw something different


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No

I pitch with my own strategy.

[Charvalos]

Re: Contact - Swings & Misses - Strikeouts

Can someone explain to me why, sometimes, I don't make contact with the ball on a good timing ?

[Caulfield]

Re: Contact - Swings & Misses - Strikeouts

Can someone explain to me why, sometimes, I don't make contact with the ball on a good timing ?

cant you have good timing even when a pitch is out of the zone ? maybe I'm wrong because I play w/feedback off but thats the way I remember (misremember ?) it being

[Charvalos]

Re: Contact - Swings & Misses - Strikeouts

I'm talking about pitches right on the strike zone, not outside.

[Caulfield]

Re: Contact - Swings & Misses - Strikeouts

I'm talking about pitches right on the strike zone, not outside.

in that case , and by no means am I an expert at Show hitting knowledge (or hitting at all , for that matter lol) but I cant imagine there being a legit reason why contact wasnt made . unless its that the batter in question has poor vision and/or poor contact rating ? I defer to anyone with more insight about it

[countryboy]

Re: Contact - Swings & Misses - Strikeouts

I'm talking about pitches right on the strike zone, not outside.

Which hitting mechanic (Zone or Directional) are you using?

[Charvalos]

Re: Contact - Swings & Misses - Strikeouts

Directional.

[countryboy]

Re: Contact - Swings & Misses - Strikeouts

Directional.

Ok

Sorry man I can't help you as I use Zone hitting. I'm not familiar with how Directional works. Hopefully someone who uses it will be able to help.

I believe there is a directional hitting guide on the forums. I'll see if I can find it.

Here you go:

https://forums.operationsports.com/f...+hitting+guide

This was brought to you by OS member TheWarmWind. I couldn't remember who created it previously.

Hopefully this will help you out and/or answer your question.

[No.27]

Re: Contact - Swings & Misses - Strikeouts

Can someone explain to me why, sometimes, I don't make contact with the ball on a good timing ?

This year it’s all about the contact rating of your batter and where in the zone the pitch is. Eg Using JD if I get good timing I can virtually make contact on anything in the zone. I actually hit a homer with him yesterday on one that was up and just outside the zone. However using Bradley even with good timing he will miss a fair bit on the edges (especially high) of the zone and will need to wait for something around the middle to hit. For me this is the best representation of real life hitting we have had to play with on the game so far.
PS You can always turnoff swing feedback and believe me it’s a relief not to have to worry about good or bad timing

[El_MaYiMbE]

Re: Contact - Swings & Misses - Strikeouts

Can someone explain to me why, sometimes, I don't make contact with the ball on a good timing ?

Because hitting is broken and we really need to stop making excuses for it. I am having fun with the game for the most part, but the bad swings resulting in contact is eating away at my fun a little more each day. It is the reason I have yet to start a Franchise, my strikeout numbers for my hitters would be leading the league in fewest strikeouts, guaranteed.

I made the same observation in several threads where this was discussed, but here is a quote from this thread. I think the "probabilities" are off and the fact swings and misses are possible on Good Timing (which they should be) but seem impossible or less likely on lesser quality swings, makes it obvious that this aspect of hitting is not calibrated properly.

Timing itself is not the problem, because even if you lower the Timing Slider to zero, your swing window will be extremely short and you will get more Very Late and Very Early swings, but all this will do is result in MORE bad contact rather than more swings and misses...further proving that the probability of a swing and miss is just not set correctly and it isn't adjusted for the quality of the pitcher and/or batter.

So despite my feedback that Very Late and Early swings, respectively, yield too much contact; I have noticed that there are swings and misses occasionally on good timing.

I find it interesting that the probability of swinging and missing on anything other than Good Timing, is LOWER than Good Timing itself. To me that means this is a defect 100%.

[countryboy]

Contact - Swings & Misses - Strikeouts

Hitting isn’t broken

And it’s a discussion not making excuses

Comments like that are why discussion type threads on OS rarely exist these days

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[jeffy777]

Re: Contact - Swings & Misses - Strikeouts

Can someone explain to me why, sometimes, I don't make contact with the ball on a good timing ?

The short answer is that with Directional hitting, you essentially control the timing of the swing, and while you can influence the direction of the hit, you don’t control the actual placement/location of your swing (PCI). The PCI is determined by your hitter’s attributes/ratings, and how they handle the pitch type and location you’re facing at that moment in time. This is why you can have perfect timing at a pitch in the zone and still miss, and this is actually one of the cool things about Directional hitting: it’s a bit more stats/ratings-based than zone hitting which is more reliant on user skill, so it’s awesome we have both options.

[El_MaYiMbE]

Re: Contact - Swings & Misses - Strikeouts

Hitting isn’t broken

And it’s a discussion not making excuses

Comments like that are why discussion type threads on OS rarely exist these days

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I've been around these boards a long time and definitely anti-dev bashing, and this is not what I am saying but feel that this is what a comment like this can be taken as.

What I am saying is that there is a design flaw, that can be reproduced. Unfortunately, since the design flaw is subjective and skill based it is hard to get everyone to agree it is off. However, when it comes to sports we have a real-life comparison to work off of, and in real-life no matter how "skilled" you are at baseball, you strike out a lot more than you do in MLB The Show.

Also, the sliders in place to help remedy these types of things do not make an impact.

When you cannot fix something, it is broken.

I cannot change how often I strike out, no matter how bad I my swings are and I cannot fix that. It is broken. That is not an attack, that is not me yelling at the devs, or hating the game. It is me stating a finding and hope it can be fixed.

I opened a bug ticket on this the first week the game was released and it has not been addressed. I found a thread which highlights EXACTLY what I reported and experiencing and I am doubling down on it....

This is what threads and discussions are for

Saying its NOT broken may not be making an excuse but its not helping resolve the issue that is now over a dozen pages deep with examples and evidence.