MLB The Show 20 Patch 1.04 Available Now - Patch Notes and Discussion

[knich]

Re: MLB The Show 20 Patch 1.04 Arrives Later This Morning - Patch Notes Here

I gather user stats twice a year for detailed analysis on topics like this. I hate to give strategy advice, so let me present some hard facts instead. Compared to MLB, users in our game are choosing to throw too many strikes to power hitters. It's fine to throw strikes to most of the lineup, but in MLB pitchers pitch differently when a power guy walks up. Most of our users don't do that.

Maybe there's something else wrong with the game. Whatever that might be, this blows that away. I can go into the detailed numbers on why this has to be for good pitching strategy, but there are hundreds of articles on this. So I'll speak very generally for illustration.

Most of the time in both MLB and the game, a hanging pitch is not even a hit. The batter doesn't swing, or misses, or fouls, or hits it for a normal out even if solid. The difference is with a power hitter, you are risking a HR versus an out - compared to a regular hitter being more often a 1B or 2B versus an out. For simplicity that's a gap of 4 bases versus a gap of 1.5 bases. The risk reward ratio is totally different.

So you walk power hitters a lot when you 'dont have to'. You would think that contact hitters are better at taking balls than power hitters - and they are. But who gets the most walks? Check the leaderboards. On a good year Gallo will get 70+ walks. Ichiro could hope for 50. This is not because Gallo is more careful about what he swings at - but how pitchers pitch around him.

This was very helpful reminder. I use classic pitching so I am to a large extent at the mercy of ratings, but I will definitely try harder to err toward walking a big bopper than a K.

[Brian SCEA]

Re: MLB The Show 20 Patch 1.04 Arrives Later This Morning - Patch Notes Here

Also, for a simple look at how Perfect-Perfect gets around a .850 AVG, take a look at the leaderboard for exit velo:

http://m.mlb.com/statcast/leaderboard#exit-velo,r,2019

9th on the list: Judge, Aaron 118.1mph Force Out

This is the hardest Aaron Judge hit all year, and it was an out. His second hardest hit was a single. So mph is not everything, even though there is a strong correlation. Your chance goes up dramatically, but it's not a guarantee of even a hit.

Also note how less than half of these incredible hits were home runs, even though many are (and far more than average). The mph doesn't tell half the story - what direction you hit it (flyball or groundball, between the fielders or at a fielder) tells the other half.

Notice if you look at the first 10 results: 2019 was 9 for 10, 2018 was 8 for 10, 2017 was 10 for 10. Perfect-Perfect in real life did not change between these years. It's just not enough data. So 5 games will give you a general picture, but not tell you if perfect-perfect is balanced just right.

When I cite examples, sorry if I miscounted but I have to move on to other tasks. The general point is still there and I hope it's helpful.

[King Gro23]

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I just want to echo appreciation but thank you Brian! In today's era you're doing an excellent job

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[zrtelford]

Fix the stat bug please!  it sucks, it would seem an easy fix. but what the heck do I know.

[Teleo]

Re: MLB The Show 20 Patch 1.04 Arrives Later This Morning - Patch Notes Here

Also, for a simple look at how Perfect-Perfect gets around a .850 AVG, take a look at the leaderboard for exit velo:

http://m.mlb.com/statcast/leaderboard#exit-velo,r,2019

9th on the list: Judge, Aaron 118.1mph Force Out

This is the hardest Aaron Judge hit all year, and it was an out. His second hardest hit was a single. So mph is not everything, even though there is a strong correlation. Your chance goes up dramatically, but it's not a guarantee of even a hit.

Also note how less than half of these incredible hits were home runs, even though many are (and far more than average). The mph doesn't tell half the story - what direction you hit it (flyball or groundball, between the fielders or at a fielder) tells the other half.

Notice if you look at the first 10 results: 2019 was 9 for 10, 2018 was 8 for 10, 2017 was 10 for 10. Perfect-Perfect in real life did not change between these years. It's just not enough data. So 5 games will give you a general picture, but not tell you if perfect-perfect is balanced just right.

When I cite examples, sorry if I miscounted but I have to move on to other tasks. The general point is still there and I hope it's helpful.

I must say - unless I completely missed - have never seen a programmer from the actual game (Madden/2K) itself come onto these threads - and give such a detailed explanation - I have not played The Show in over 4 years (I know - I’m late to the party) but I am so excited to play this years installment - I am waiting for Ridin and the team to drop their rosters - but sincerely thank you for your feedback to the community

[RunN1st]

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I must say - unless I completely missed - have never seen a programmer from the actual game (Madden/2K) itself come onto these threads - and give such a detailed explanation - I have not played The Show in over 4 years (I know - I’m late to the party) but I am so excited to play this years installment - I am waiting for Ridin and the team to drop their rosters - but sincerely thank you for your feedback to the community

I 100% agree.

Let's hope we all do our part to keep the conversations positive while providing honest feedback.

[Happy29]

Still nothing on the rookie call up options being all used up even though players have no service time

[Circle the Wagons]

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I was hoping they would have fixed the dirt around home plate at Miller Park. It’s way too large. I’m surprised I haven’t seen more posts about it.

Otherwise, I’m really happy with the game so far.

[bravesfan1984]

Re: MLB The Show 20 Patch 1.04 Available Now - Patch Notes and Discussion

Still nothing on the rookie call up options being all used up even though players have no service time

I'll be quite honest with you, this plagued the game last year too. I don't see them fixing it

[callmetaternuts]

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Brian (or anyone). Can you elaborate on the AllStar is for average players? On most sports games I play on higher difficulty levels but I am not sure where I belong in the Show and I don’t want to constantly tweak and tune with dynamic.



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[CMcCord84]

Re: MLB The Show 20 Patch 1.04 Available Now - Patch Notes and Discussion

Any idea when a roster update will happen?

[Caulfield]

Re: MLB The Show 20 Patch 1.04 Available Now - Patch Notes and Discussion

Any idea when a roster update will happen?

sometime between next week and next month though tomorrow would be more than welcomed

[mkharsh33]

Re: MLB The Show 20 Patch 1.04 Available Now - Patch Notes and Discussion

It's nice to see Brian come and share with us and provide clear explanations. Having been around this place for many years now, this is nice to see. Helps to understand exactly what the process is.

And also to everyone here who has been polite and civil. Video games can really get guys emotional and worked up, but the kind banter and Q&A is nice to see. So kudos to all sides. This game is outstanding, and I want to say thank you. I played 19 more than any game ever (besides NBA 2K11 for my 360) and 20 is a step up from that. Great work!

[Padgoi]

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Seeing a developer answering questions is definitely a breath of fresh air. Thank you!

With that said, as another user said earlier, the patch seems to have changed hitting drastically for me. I'm seeing less perfect perfects and the success of hits on good good seems lower as well. I just played a game where I had good good on 9 different pitches and got 3 hits.

My issue is that the game simply doesn't seem organic to me at all on legend and hasn't for years. I can compete. I'm patient. It just seems like when you're on, the cpu is on and when you're off, the cpu is off. I've noticed for years that there are far too many games decided by two runs or less on legend difficulty and this year's iteration is no exception. It just seems like if I'm raking, so is the cpu and if I'm not, neither is the cpu. It's very frustrating.

That's my only issue with the game which stops it from feeling organic. There are many times where it doesn't feel like you're playing the game but rather the game is playing you.

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[NDAlum]

Re: MLB The Show 20 Patch 1.04 Arrives Later This Morning - Patch Notes Here

They're the same. If they seem slow to you, that's because you are exceptional.

There are going to be a lot of people who see the pitches as slow. There are roughly exactly the same number of people who see the pitches as fast. This is trickier in two-player games because you need to negotiate some intermediate value.

The difference between a Legend user and an Allstar user is the same as the difference between the average MLB hitter an a pitcher. Yet there are many users starting out and well below Allstar.

First off, thanks for being here and part of the discussion.

With regards to the update yesterday, I noticed a change that was inconsistent. I played about 10 event games in DD and that means they were on AS difficulty. In 8 of the 10 games, everything felt great. I have no qualms with the feedback/hitting system at the moment.

I did have an issue in those 2/10 games with an apparent input lag or some other issue with regards to swing feedback. I didn't change my swing timing and I'm a very solid hitter but for some reason I was late/too late on several pitches. It simply felt like something was out of whack. I don't know if it's the connection between me and my opponent. I've played this game far too much already for the time it's been out and I know for sure my timing is decent and these games were just outliers. It wasn't me just being late. It was my usual input with a completely different feedback outcome.

I've seen some similar reports on twitter. Has the dev team seen this feedback and are they investigating?

Thanks