MLB The Show 21 Will Be Missing a Signature Feature

[countryboy]

Re: MLB The Show 21 Will Be Missing a Signature Feature

Something I was thinking about today, was what it would take for me to end my carryover and start new in '21 and then I thought, what if they have those things (expanded rosters, etc...) but then don't have carryover saves for '22?

Really a pickle to be in at the moment

[Caulfield]

Re: MLB The Show 21 Will Be Missing a Signature Feature

Something I was thinking about today, was what it would take for me to end my carryover and start new in '21 and then I thought, what if they have those things (expanded rosters, etc...) but then don't have carryover saves for '22?

Really a pickle to be in at the moment

yeah, just from what it sounds like to me is they'd like to resume carry-overs at some point but they don't sound optimistic Sony will foot that bill anytime soon. right now what I'm hoping for is xbox Show sales are through the roof and they'll have some extra mad money to spend on 22.

what I'm going to do is relook at my Braves carry-over in 20 again in the fall and then maybe get another season in with

[JoshC1977]

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...but I damn sure don't want to play any franchise that remotely resembles M2O, or especially DD

I truly think MtO (and the type of supporters that would support it) are far more 'dangerous' to franchise than the DD crowd.

DD is a grind mode; nothing more or less than that. As someone who plays it (offline) and franchise, I can tell you that it scratches an entirely different itch. DD is a perfect mode when you want a little bit of baseball but want a break from that full story that a franchise experience would give you. People that play DD don't call this a "franchise mode" and they really aren't looking to impinge on franchise...they're doing their own thing. And to be honest, SDS does a very solid job in creating a grind mode that does not require any expenditures of real money...they aren't "scummy" like EA and 2k, companies that use alternative "Cash Only" currencies to preferentially favor people that spend money over those that just play the game. Sure, you CAN spend money playing DD...but you never really need to in order to be able to access any of the mode's content....you just need time and patience.

MtO "scares" me far more from a franchise player's perspective. MtO is scratches a similar "I want a story" itch that franchise players have but for gamers that don't want to work for it. There's never any downside to anything you do in that mode. You can trade away the entire farm to build up a team for one year. The consequences in MtO: there are none (whereas you could set your team back for years if you pull that in a franchise mode). No adversity to overcome (no injuries or morale issues). No contracts to trifle with. Yet, there are folks out there that call themselves "Franchise Guys" that think this is a franchise mode. MtO is just a casual single season mode and that's fine to have in the game.

The "issue" I have as that there is an intimation that this is the kind of thing that "all franchise guys want"...and THAT is where I have an issue. I WANT adversity in my franchise, I WANT bad things to happen in my franchise, I WANT there to be a challenge in the team management arena, I WANT a chance to lose my job as the team's GM. MtO (up to now) has done NONE of those things. With the right roster and just a couple of settings; the current franchise gives us ALL of those things...I don't want to lose that.

The funny thing is that from a DD player's perspective; I want MtO separated from DD. From a franchise mode player's perspective; I want MTO and DD to remain tied-together.

Something I was thinking about today, was what it would take for me to end my carryover and start new in '21 and then I thought, what if they have those things (expanded rosters, etc...) but then don't have carryover saves for '22?

Really a pickle to be in at the moment

I agree CB...

I've said this before, but I really want SDS to be up front about Y2Y for MLBTS 22. I don't need a promise, but if they think the chances of them returning in '22 are slim right now; I'd rather know now.

[countryboy]

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I agree CB...

I've said this before, but I really want SDS to be up front about Y2Y for MLBTS 22. I don't need a promise, but if they think the chances of them returning in '22 are slim right now; I'd rather know now.

The more I think about it, it may be more important to me personally to hear that Y2Y is returning for '22 then it is the expanded rosters.

Because I don't want to play a "lame duck" franchise in '21 meaning that nothing I do to build for the future matters.

[CBoller1331]

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I truly think MtO (and the type of supporters that would support it) are far more 'dangerous' to franchise than the DD crowd.

DD is a grind mode; nothing more or less than that. As someone who plays it (offline) and franchise, I can tell you that it scratches an entirely different itch. DD is a perfect mode when you want a little bit of baseball but want a break from that full story that a franchise experience would give you. People that play DD don't call this a "franchise mode" and they really aren't looking to impinge on franchise...they're doing their own thing. And to be honest, SDS does a very solid job in creating a grind mode that does not require any expenditures of real money...they aren't "scummy" like EA and 2k, companies that use alternative "Cash Only" currencies to preferentially favor people that spend money over those that just play the game. Sure, you CAN spend money playing DD...but you never really need to in order to be able to access any of the mode's content....you just need time and patience.

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The "issue" I have as that there is an intimation that this is the kind of thing that "all franchise guys want"...and THAT is where I have an issue. I WANT adversity in my franchise, I WANT bad things to happen in my franchise, I WANT there to be a challenge in the team management arena, I WANT a chance to lose my job as the team's GM. MtO (up to now) has done NONE of those things. With the right roster and just a couple of settings; the current franchise gives us ALL of those things...I don't want to lose that.

100% agree with this sentiment. I would consider myself a sim-style, franchise-first player, but I started messing around with Diamond Dynasty (mostly the offline modes like you) in MLB 16 when they allowed you to earn rewards through offline modes like Franchise and RTTS. I was never really a fan of the "Ultimate Team" modes in general, especially when you had to start with an entire team of nobodies and could only get upgrades through grinding a ton of online games with your crappy squad or ponying up some big time $$. But Diamond Dynasty made it just easy enough to earn decent enough players simply by playing any mode that I gave it a shot and actually enjoyed some aspects of it.

I definitely agree that it scratches a completely different itch than Franchise mode. Just this morning before work (had some time with a later shift) I was trying to grind through the NL Central Showdown. I wasn't trying to play a realistic game of baseball. I didn't care if Ian Happ's batting gloves were the right color. I was just trying to beat the mode. And when I got the potential winning run on base with 8 outs left to work with then proceeded to make terrible non-productive outs and let Josh Hader off the hook, I couldn't help let loose a few words that even my dog seemed to know were inappropriate. I rarely get that rattled about my franchise games...not because I don't want to win them...but because what I want in franchise mode is a realistic challenge. I was mad that I wasted my morning playing showdown and didn't even get the stupid reward to show for it. If I would have lost a franchise game 16-0 instead, I would have considered it a positive since I could check 1 more game off the marathon to 162. I definitely play the two modes for different reasons.

I could honestly see myself playing mostly DD until the launch of 21. I was able to snag a PS5 in late December and with the news of no carryover saves (combined with some of the holes in my make shift roster I created already beginning to show through in the first month of my Cubs franchise), it just seems a little bit silly to devote a lot of time to a "lame duck franchise" as CB put it. But there's a lot of 'content' to play through in offline DD to keep me busy till then.

Also to be clear, even with all the nice things I just said about it, DD is not something that keeps me coming back to The Show. If by some work of the devil there ever comes a day when Franchise mode is completely scrapped from the game and its just a card collecting mode, you can bet your bottom dollar that I won't be buying. But as it stands, I do enjoy DD as a nice change of pace

[tessl]

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yeah, just from what it sounds like to me is they'd like to resume carry-overs at some point but they don't sound optimistic Sony will foot that bill anytime soon. right now what I'm hoping for is xbox Show sales are through the roof and they'll have some extra mad money to spend on 22.

what I'm going to do is relook at my Braves carry-over in 20 again in the fall and then maybe get another season in with

It's not much of a franchise if you have to start over every year. I don't sim until and unless I'm eliminated from the playoffs. I'm currently 6.5 games out in the wild card with 20 games remaining. I'll probably play 155 games this season alone. Looking forward to my young prospects developing and seeing what the catcher I drafted looks like. He appears to be MLB ready at least in a platoon role.

Returning to the days when a franchise only lasted until next year's release isn't something I'm willing to do. Not upset at the developers but that's the reality for me. It's unfortunate but they made their decision and I'll make mine. They can't even say whether 22 will have carry over saves.

[Grey_Osprey]

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I truly think MtO (and the type of supporters that would support it) are far more 'dangerous' to franchise than the DD crowd.

DD is a grind mode; nothing more or less than that. As someone who plays it (offline) and franchise, I can tell you that it scratches an entirely different itch. DD is a perfect mode when you want a little bit of baseball but want a break from that full story that a franchise experience would give you. People that play DD don't call this a "franchise mode" and they really aren't looking to impinge on franchise...they're doing their own thing. And to be honest, SDS does a very solid job in creating a grind mode that does not require any expenditures of real money...they aren't "scummy" like EA and 2k, companies that use alternative "Cash Only" currencies to preferentially favor people that spend money over those that just play the game. Sure, you CAN spend money playing DD...but you never really need to in order to be able to access any of the mode's content....you just need time and patience.

MtO "scares" me far more from a franchise player's perspective. MtO is scratches a similar "I want a story" itch that franchise players have but for gamers that don't want to work for it. There's never any downside to anything you do in that mode. You can trade away the entire farm to build up a team for one year. The consequences in MtO: there are none (whereas you could set your team back for years if you pull that in a franchise mode). No adversity to overcome (no injuries or morale issues). No contracts to trifle with. Yet, there are folks out there that call themselves "Franchise Guys" that think this is a franchise mode. MtO is just a casual single season mode and that's fine to have in the game.

The "issue" I have as that there is an intimation that this is the kind of thing that "all franchise guys want"...and THAT is where I have an issue. I WANT adversity in my franchise, I WANT bad things to happen in my franchise, I WANT there to be a challenge in the team management arena, I WANT a chance to lose my job as the team's GM. MtO (up to now) has done NONE of those things. With the right roster and just a couple of settings; the current franchise gives us ALL of those things...I don't want to lose that.

The funny thing is that from a DD player's perspective; I want MtO separated from DD. From a franchise mode player's perspective; I want MTO and DD to remain tied-together.




I agree CB...

I've said this before, but I really want SDS to be up front about Y2Y for MLBTS 22. I don't need a promise, but if they think the chances of them returning in '22 are slim right now; I'd rather know now.

Well said, JoshC. Another point about MtO is that at the end of the season, you can carry it right into franchise mode. So you can earn team rewards for DD and can carry over to franchise at the same time. From an SDS point of view, it's a very well woven web.







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[JoshC1977]

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Well said, JoshC. Another point about MtO is that at the end of the season, you can carry it right into franchise mode. So you can earn team rewards for DD and can carry over to franchise at the same time. From an SDS point of view, it's a very well woven web.

It's "connected" to franchise, but only by the barest of threads.

During the MtO year, you have no visibility to your low minors, no scouting/draft, no real sense of budget dynamics. On top of that, you'll be dealing with utterly ridiculous numbers from that initial MtO as you dive into franchise in year 2. I'd loathe to see the progression from that.

When they first announced MtO 2 years ago, I thought this could be a nice aspect (using it as a springboard to a franchise). But MtO has been so shallow that it's rendered that aspect all but moot.

[Red_Ted_is_back]

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My concern, which I have said before. Nothing they have taken out this generation has ever made it back in the game. Every mode has moved more and more to a micro transaction friendly mode. Im sorry but I see franchise mode of the future being some horrendous blend of March To October and DD. It will be a feature laden mess aimed at shortening playtime and adding ways to spend stubs.

Sounds of the Show removed in 14, back in 16. I think it was 16. Possibly 17.


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[countryboy]

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Sounds of the Show removed in 14, back in 16. I think it was 16. Possibly 17.


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Sounds of the Show wasn't removed in '14.

The PS4 version had it, but because the PS4 OS didn't support .mp3 files, SDS was only able to allow users to work with music and sounds made available on the disc. Same with 15.

In 16, the PS4 OS added support of .mp3 files and Sounds of the Show "returned" to normal.

But again, SDS never took Sounds of the Show out of the game, they simply couldn't utilize it the way they had because the PS4 OS didn't support it.

[Caulfield]

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^ ^ ^
and someone correct me if I'm misremembering, but didn't PS3 Show 14 have full SOTS? I only played 14 on PS3 for a month till the PS4 14 released. coincidentally I'm replaying 14 real heavy right now and limited SOTS and uneditable contracts are 2 of my gear grinders for 14.

otherwise 14 is still as solid as ever for me, enough so to keep it in permanent rotation

[countryboy]

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^ ^ ^
and someone correct me if I'm misremembering, but didn't PS3 Show 14 have full SOTS? I only played 14 on PS3 for a month till the PS4 14 released. coincidentally I'm replaying 14 real heavy right now and limited SOTS and uneditable contracts are 2 of my gear grinders for 14.

otherwise 14 is still as solid as ever for me, enough so to keep it in permanent rotation

Yes it did

[JDiaz1]

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While I’m not going to get angry that Y2Y saves are most likely not going to be in 21, this is seriously making me consider waiting until 22 to buy The Show and a PS5. This year, I spent countless hours preparing a roster for my franchise that I could play using 30 team control. I edited batting stances, pitching motions, CAP’s, equipment for every player, entered pitching edits, etc. I did this in the hopes that I could carry this roster forward and finally commit to a long-term franchise.

I buy the show every year without question but this might be the first time ever I will pass. I always enjoy adding some recently retired/overseas players to my rosters such as Jose Bautista, James Loney, Tim Lincecum, etc. and no Y2Y saves means I can’t even bring those players and their career stats into 21. If I buy 21. it might just be for DD and other modes which I honestly don’t use much and I’d just roll with 20 for my franchise. 21 could have significant franchise improvements but I’m still not sure I could abandon my roster and the players that would be lost.

[ninertravel]

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Remember the newspaper stories ? That was 2012 I think they were good now we got that radio show which was ok but drives me mad now.

[Karle]

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I hope SDS does not wait too long before telling us whether rosters can be ported from MLB 20 to MLB 21.

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