MLB The Show 21 Franchise Mode and March to October Details From Feature Premiere

[Caulfield]

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But when does it become mundane? people say what you said every year over and over. and nothing REALLY gets updated. the Eye Candy has gotten changed, and MAYBE the trading logic might have been fixed but do we really know?

Year After Year its just a new coat of paint on a stale mode.

at some point, we need to Stand up Against them and stop trying to Defend them. Look at Madden. Atleast they admitted their Franchise mode was not updated in years.

Yeah, the "you can only do so much in a year" argument doesn't really work when they've done so little in about the last 5 years (maybe longer). They don't even fix the broken stuff, yet alone add new things. It's just excuses to blame time constraints when really it's just that they don't value franchise mode enough to allocate the time to do anything to it

after the last 5+ years, it looks to me like the big change has finally happened. personally I don't even know why they scaled back on the ''revamped'' description. definitely looks revamped to me. I'm anxious for April 16 to get here so I can get acclimated to all the newness. as for the last few years, does it play exactly like you'd run an IRL franchise? no, but for a video game it has been plenty deep enough. of course I do realise those last few years aren't going to be kosher for a ton of people. that's why if I weren't happy with the Show I definitely wouldn't be spending good money on it every year and being miserable in the process. that's sheer lunacy IMO

[bryanm1982]

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As I said, I think this is the start of a new franchise mode. We aren't going to get everything we want in year 1. Next year, will be the test if they take that big step forward like they say their plan is.

I know losing Y2Y is probably a sore subject with them and they know that was a very popular feature. But they should have taken time to explain the reasoning and confirm or deny it is in the plan in the future. Instead of not bringing it up at all. They probably didn't want to talk about what is NOT in the game. I'm sure they would have pulled back some of the people that they lost by taking that away if they would have said we had to stop the cycle but will bring it back for 22 so you can carry over any saves from 21. Hopefully, there is a Q&A after this that they will answer that question.

[malky]

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Honestly. All of these “new” additions could’ve been added via patch besides create a stadium. Madden did 3 separate major updates to franchise mode that added new menus for playoff brackets and offseason history. And added in better trade and free agent logic.




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Hopefully they patch the deeper league history into the show 21 if it’s not already in the game 🤞

[reyes the roof]

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I like the trade and contract changes, stats should play a bigger role in contract demands. With that being said, it’s not enough for me to ditch my current franchise, but if they continue to make progress next year is a possibility

[Caulfield]

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As I said, I think this is the start of a new franchise mode. We aren't going to get everything we want in year 1. Next year, will be the test if they take that big step forward like they say their plan is.

I know losing Y2Y is probably a sore subject with them and they know that was a very popular feature. But they should have taken time to explain the reasoning and confirm or deny it is in the plan in the future. Instead of not bringing it up at all. They probably didn't want to talk about what is NOT in the game. I'm sure they would have pulled back some of the people that they lost by taking that away if they would have said we had to stop the cycle but will bring it back for 22 so you can carry over any saves from 21. Hopefully, there is a Q&A after this that they will answer that question.

it sure sounded to me like they want to bring it back, letting you continue your progress from 21 to 22.
but it also sounds like they don't know that they can make that happen. I suspect they're going to do everything they can to make it happen though.

[countryboy]

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I've watched the stream a couple of times and the more I think about the changes that were done the more I appreciate them and this, for lack of better description, new/renewed focus on franchise mode.

Again, I appreciate that there really isn't that sexy back of the box selling feature this year, at least not from what we've seen thus far, aside from stadium creator on next gen consoles.

But some of the biggest complaints from the community has been the roster logic, trade logic, signing logic, call up/send down logic, and how the budget is handled. And this year, they went through the core of the mode and ripped out what was there and re-built a foundation to build upon for the future of the mode.

In speaking with devs over the years, one thing that was almost always brought up was what they could do, in regards to adding community requested features/updates was old code. So, it appears they took this year, the transition to next gen, as an opportunity to "start over" and, not to repeat myself, lay down a foundation in which this mode could be built upon.

What does that mean as far as what community requests will be implemented over the next few cycles? We don't know, but I think with the information we learned today, the chances of us seeing those updates/features are better now than a year ago. And its very promising to hear them say they have a vision for this mode, so hopefully that will ease the idea that its neglected or that the franchise part of the community is not cared about.

Really anxious for April 16th to get here and to see this new logic at work. And hopefully over the course of the summer, we'll learn when/if Y2Y saves will return.

[countryboy]

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Honestly. All of these “new” additions could’ve been added via patch besides create a stadium. Madden did 3 separate major updates to franchise mode that added new menus for playoff brackets and offseason history. And added in better trade and free agent logic.

Again it’s great this is coming in to the show, but is it really worth a 90 dollar purchase? I feel ‘22 will be the big release when it comes to next gen.


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Using Madden as a comparison is a bit unfair because the functions of contracts, rosters, etc...in football are different than baseball.

I'm not saying its impossible to add this all via a patch as I'm not a developer. But I would caution against using Madden as a comparison because it doesn't have to account for:

* Player option years
* Call ups/send downs
* 28 man rosters across 3 different levels
* Contract Renewable Years
* Arbitration
* Rule 5 Draft

All of those intricate details of contracts and roster rules need to be accounted for when making changes to contract logic, trade logic, and the budget system.

Just my .02

[TheBleedingRed21]

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People that say “this could be patched in” do not understand development, at all. You don’t “patch” in structural changes such as what they had to do this year. As a developer myself, this drives me nuts.

I’m sure someone will try to tell me why I’m wrong though.

It’s honestly a good balance of having happy players and the outspoken ones. It’s how we get to a better place. Maddens franchise debacle was a great example of that.

[Grey_Osprey]

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I've watched the stream a couple of times and the more I think about the changes that were done the more I appreciate them and this, for lack of better description, new/renewed focus on franchise mode.

Again, I appreciate that there really isn't that sexy back of the box selling feature this year, at least not from what we've seen thus far, aside from stadium creator on next gen consoles.

But some of the biggest complaints from the community has been the roster logic, trade logic, signing logic, call up/send down logic, and how the budget is handled. And this year, they went through the core of the mode and ripped out what was there and re-built a foundation to build upon for the future of the mode.

In speaking with devs over the years, one thing that was almost always brought up was what they could do, in regards to adding community requested features/updates was old code. So, it appears they took this year, the transition to next gen, as an opportunity to "start over" and, not to repeat myself, lay down a foundation in which this mode could be built upon.

What does that mean as far as what community requests will be implemented over the next few cycles? We don't know, but I think with the information we learned today, the chances of us seeing those updates/features are better now than a year ago. And its very promising to hear them say they have a vision for this mode, so hopefully that will ease the idea that its neglected or that the franchise part of the community is not cared about.

Really anxious for April 16th to get here and to see this new logic at work. And hopefully over the course of the summer, we'll learn when/if Y2Y saves will return.

But do we know roster, trade, signing logic and budgets have been addressed for franchise? I know they made a point to emphasis MTO roster/rotation logic, but I didn't hear them specifically address it for Franchise.

As more of a casual player, the areas that really interest me the most are cpu AI in all aspects of the game (ie roster management, depth charts, rotations, trade logic, resignings, etc) progression/regression, scouting, and training. And honestly, I'm not sold that any improvements were made to these areas, especially scouting and training.

I'll buy it for the next gen upgrade, but I was hoping for more robust quality of life upgrades for franchise.

[bryanm1982]

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But do we know roster, trade, signing logic and budgets have been addressed for franchise? I know they made a point to emphasis MTO roster/rotation logic, but I didn't hear them specifically address it for Franchise.

As more of a casual player, the areas that really interest me the most are cpu AI in all aspects of the game (ie roster management, depth charts, rotations, trade logic, resignings, etc) progression/regression, scouting, and training. And honestly, I'm not sold that any improvements were made to these areas, especially scouting and training.

I'll buy it for the next gen upgrade, but I was hoping for more robust quality of life upgrades for franchise.

Trading and roster logic is confirmed for franchise. They said both. What wasn't confirmed was lineup and bullpen logic for franchise. Lineup and bullpen they only said MTO.

[ty5oke]

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I'm actually pleased with the information mentioned in the article. The core logic was definitely needing an overhaul as it's felt the same for years now with the same bugs each iteration. I'm sure there are hiccups such as the Lindor contract but I'm hoping the AI logic is improved a bunch. Hopefully next year we will see Y2Y back and add some immersion factors like in-game highlights or nightly recap shows.

[Sportsfan28]

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People that say “this could be patched in” do not understand development, at all. You don’t “patch” in structural changes such as what they had to do this year. As a developer myself, this drives me nuts.

I’m sure someone will try to tell me why I’m wrong though.

It’s honestly a good balance of having happy players and the outspoken ones. It’s how we get to a better place. Maddens franchise debacle was a great example of that.

Of course we know how difficult it is to program these into games. All I’m saying it’s not impossible for them to do the things that they’re adding in ‘21 into 20.

I think maybe I’m just tired of dropping nearly 100$ on a game every year, and finally realizing that I can have just as much fun with the older versions than I can with the new ones.


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[TheBleedingRed21]

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Of course we know how difficult it is to program these into games. All I’m saying it’s not impossible for them to do the things that they’re adding in ‘21 into 20.

I think maybe I’m just tired of dropping nearly 100$ on a game every year, and finally realizing that I can have just as much fun with the older versions than I can with the new ones.


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Maybe YOU do (unless you said this could just be patched in LOL), but if you read some of these comments, some clearly don’t. I want more out of the mode trust me, but these games are more complicated now than ever, tomorrow, it will be more complicated than ever. The yearly cycle is really about 9 months or less of development time. While the first bit is still using resources for the previous game.

If you’re tired of dropping the money for the “same” game, why do you keep buying it? That’s on you man.

[DirtBallNation]

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I know it’s not *perfect* in the eyes of many, but it is an improvement of what we’ve had for the last 3-4 years. A refreshed change of scenery for the menus/depth charts will be nice and the new player/trade logic will hopefully live up to what they made it seem to be. I’m excited for the new game even though it seems like I’m in the minority here.


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[Qb]

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What wasn't confirmed was lineup and bullpen logic for franchise. Lineup and bullpen they only said MTO.

I suspect that's because the lineup and rotation logic changes are limited to the fix they highlighted in the stream. Both would get reset when a roster move happened, losing all user changes. And since MTO sims ahead to your next game, you would play at least one game with a CPU generated lineup (which can be wonky depending on the team and your preferences).

I don't think it was deeper changes to how the AI constructs batting orders, rotation, or uses the bullpen. Now, the new player metric could impact who is on the roster which obviously impacts those aspects. But I'm skeptical that meaningful changes were made to how the AI uses relievers in game or across games based on the info we have thus far (but really hope I'm wrong).