MLB The Show 21 Franchise Mode and March to October Details From Feature Premiere

[kric9132]

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Whats the biggest difference between ps5 and ps4 version?

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[pingponggame]

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The biggest differences will more than likely be revealed next Thursday on the stream. I imagine there are many little things that either haven’t been discovered in the videos, or haven’t been revealed yet by the dev team.

[UravenzownU]

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I've been re-processing a lot of the information given out last night. A few areas I wanted to touch on...


#DepthChart
Touting something like this as a big "add", SMH. Could it be useful? Sure. But it really doesn't make the mode better either. Does the CPU utilize these future predictions into ANY of their logic? If not, it's just window-dressing (like Madden's "visual depth chart" that has been in the game for several years). If they DO use the projections, then that could mean something.

I'll be honest, my interest in franchise for this year's game is incredibly lukewarm.

I'm glad you mentioned this. It goes to show how low the expectations are for franchise mode.

Imagine madden or 2k showing off a new depth chart as a new core feature of the game mode... people would be losing it.

This was really a turn off for me in terms of the direction of where franchise is headed. I know some of the logic issues are nice additions but I feel like I've heard this year after year.

It's 2021 on next gen consoles, with the addition of a whole new console and it's consumers, our expectations shouldn't be so low where they are showing off a cosmetic depth chart that has zero effect on the gameplay and game mode.

As a 30 team franchise controller the added AI logic does very little and with the loss of Y2Y saves it's really become a tough sell for me.

[tessl]

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I understand that for a game like this you cannot be completely random, but that isn't what I'm clamoring for, so if it came off that way, apologies.

I would be okay with the current progression system if we simply didn't instantly know a players potential the second we draft. I think simply having an A be there instantly when he is drafted and basically knowing that guarantees he will pan out is taking too much fun out of the game and making it too predictable.

I'd rather see the potential system give you a window of what they player is expected to be, but they have a chance to progress out of that window, either exceeding expectations or falling short of them. The older a player gets, the smaller their window is indicating their scouting report is more honed in. We typically know what we have in a 29 year old player versus what a 19 year old player could turn into.

You can still have user/player performance impact the potential by it being what causes which way the window shrinks and if they land outside the window. You can make that window a scoutable item so that users can scout guys, see their windows, and feel that reward when a guy lands at the higher side of his window and does pan out.

Going back to the player performance impacting it, say a player has a scouting report that says our scouting department believes he will at least be an everyday starter, but they see the potential to be an all star player. Fast forward 3 years down the road. The user has the guy called up, his window is still that vague as he as performed as expected through minor league ball and now he is getting his shot in the big show.

Let's say in example A the user kills it with him. The guys window now says the guy looks to be almost an all star caliber player, someone who should make multiple all star games in their career. The player raking with the guy tightened his window at the top of the window. There is still a chance the guy can exceed that window, but there's also a sliver of a chance he busts and never reaches the all star level.

Maybe in example A1 the guy progresses as expected by that narrow window and becomes a consistent all star player. The player is reward for making the draft choice and performing with him.

In A2 the guy actually blossoms into a HoF type player and the player is rewarded and then some.

In A3 the guy falls short of expectations and remains an everyday starter/all star replacement type player. He is still solid, it's still a somewhat rewarding draft choice as you still have am everyday talent, but he just didn't hit the higher ceiling.

The user still has an impact here, the scouting department skill level matters, and the players future isn't a guarantee like it just about is in the current system.

Theres a good blend of fog of war and knowing just enough for the user to not feel hopeless and reliant on RNJesus only. Their performance as a user matters and their scouting also pays off.

This would create a system where busts and surprises happen a bit more organically years down the road like real life instead of us instantly knowing the night a player is drafted. This also allows the user to scout a player's potential before they draft them which makes much more sense than having to cross your fingers and hope that when you draft someone they have high potential. More sure fire prospects will come with smaller windows while you can take chances on guys in later rounds who may have huge windows that could swing either way, or maybe in a later round a guy has a smaller window showing he doesn't have top talent, but he can be a role player after some polishing.

It would also be nice if players had different ages where they peaked, similar to 2k or OOTP. You may get a guy who at 24 has a tight window already and isn't going to develop much more. Or you have that same player with an average size window still and you hold onto him thinking when he is 28 he will peak, but over time you see that he actually did peak young at 24.

You can have guys that have their window shrink at 26, but their peak is actually 28 and in 2 years they develop past their window. There are multiple ways to have a system here that gives the user a decent amount of info to not feel hopeless to RNG, but also keep the system from being too easy to predict. Right now the game is too predictable because it is too linear. This system could remain somewhat predictable, with variability that keeps it fresh. Your high potential window player will generally be a solid player, but the variability in their development allows for each franchise to feel unique and dynamic whereas right now they all feel the same since all A's typically progress the same every single franchise and so on.

It would also be nice to tie in these windows to each scouting department and their skills/what they prefer. So when you shop around a prospect, each team has a slightly different report on that player detailing what window they see. The A's may see a window for the prospect saying at best he'll be an average starter while the Twins report says at best he will be top 8 player at his position and they'll value him more in a trade.

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IRL potential is a predictor of whether a player makes the majors. 1st round picks - A potential - make it to MLB around 75% of the time. 3rd round picks around 50%. 11th round and lower around 3%.

In the game a lot of A potential players are so low in attributes to be marginal at best.

With only around 7 rounds the developers have to install a lot of consistency in the progression system to have a sustainable franchise long term. Also it is possible for potential to change if the player's performance is significantly better or worse. Not common but it does happen.

You do see some wild swings in attributes based upon performance and that is an issue for me more than potential. In particular vs lhp is frequently a small sample size because only about 1/4 of plate appearances are vs lhp but progression in the game seems to be calculated based upon performance over a certain period of time instead of a certain number of plate appearance. If a batter only faces a few left handed pitchers in a month and does poorly it doesn't mean he forgot how to hit lhp. It needs to be more consistent.

[canes21]

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IRL potential is a predictor of whether a player makes the majors. 1st round picks - A potential - make it to MLB around 75% of the time. 3rd round picks around 50%. 11th round and lower around 3%.



With only around 7 rounds the developers have to install a lot of consistency in the progression system to have a sustainable franchise long term. Also it is possible for potential to change if the player's performance is significantly better or worse. Not common but it does happen.

And this is where a lot of my issues with the current system lie. All A potential players in this game will progress in a rather linear form similar to one another. All B potential players will develop in a linear form similar to one another and so on.

Player potentials hardly change much in franchise mode. You basically know a guys concrete potential the second he is drafted.

As you said, in real life a players potential is used to draft them at certain spots. In The Show we draft players THEN find out what their potentials are immediately after and those barely change. Essentially The Show has that completely backwards and on top of that, apparently right after you get off the phone congratulating your draft picks you already know what their potential is and whether they are even worth keeping around before they've even done anything inside your organization.

It's a painfully linear and omniscient system that takes away what is arguably the most important part of the MLB which is having a pool of players in your organization and giving them years to showcase their talents before you even decide what they are capable of. In the MLB you won't know for 3+ years if a guy has what it takes, but in The Show you know if you see an A or B that the kid is about guaranteed to become an MLB player and anything less you instantly know you can probably cut them.

That is why I wish they'd revamp the scouting and potential/progression system and have it to where you actually know a players variable potential after scouting them so that you make draft picks based off of potential like real life. Then the progression and potential system has enough fog of war that most prospects will need years in your system before you know if they have it or not. The top talents will obviously have more clear potentials and will have talents that don't keep them down in the MiLB relatively long, but the bulk of players will need their time in the organization for you to uncover their potential and get a more accurate report of their talents.

On this generation of consoles we are on now, the hardware won't be what keeps SCEA from expanding rosters and revamping potential/progression to be better. If they make no changes, it is because of engine limitations/their choice.

The Show probably doesn't need a complete 40 round draft, though I'd welcome it, but 7 is an embarrassment. We desperately need expanded rosters and a brand new system that introduces some fog of war into the potential and progression system so that we don't know if had a great draft or not for years. It doesn't fit a baseball game to know immediately if your draft went well or not. This is the one American sport that needs the most fog of war, yet it is arguable that The Show has the least fog of war with how the potential and progression system work at the moment.

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[Armor and Sword]

MLB The Show 21 Franchise Mode and March to October Details From Feature Premiere

And this is where a lot of my issues with the current system lie. All A potential players in this game will progress in a rather linear form similar to one another. All B potential players will develop in a linear form similar to one another and so on.

Player potentials hardly change much in franchise mode. You basically know a guys concrete potential the second he is drafted.

As you said, in real life a players potential is used to draft them at certain spots. In The Show we draft players THEN find out what their potentials are immediately after and those barely change. Essentially The Show has that completely backwards and on top of that, apparently right after you get off the phone congratulating your draft picks you already know what their potential is and whether they are even worth keeping around before they've even done anything inside your organization.

It's a painfully linear and omniscient system that takes away what is arguably the most important part of the MLB which is having a pool of players in your organization and giving them years to showcase their talents before you even decide what they are capable of. In the MLB you won't know for 3+ years if a guy has what it takes, but in The Show you know if you see an A or B that the kid is about guaranteed to become an MLB player and anything less you instantly know you can probably cut them.

That is why I wish they'd revamp the scouting and potential/progression system and have it to where you actually know a players variable potential after scouting them so that you make draft picks based off of potential like real life. Then the progression and potential system has enough fog of war that most prospects will need years in your system before you know if they have it or not. The top talents will obviously have more clear potentials and will have talents that don't keep them down in the MiLB relatively long, but the bulk of players will need their time in the organization for you to uncover their potential and get a more accurate report of their talents.

On this generation of consoles we are on now, the hardware won't be what keeps SCEA from expanding rosters and revamping potential/progression to be better. If they make no changes, it is because of engine limitations/their choice.

The Show probably doesn't need a complete 40 round draft, though I'd welcome it, but 7 is an embarrassment. We desperately need expanded rosters and a brand new system that introduces some fog of war into the potential and progression system so that we don't know if had a great draft or not for years. It doesn't fit a baseball game to know immediately if your draft went well or not. This is the one American sport that needs the most fog of war, yet it is arguable that The Show has the least fog of war with how the potential and progression system work at the moment.

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No expanded rosters is such a huge miss.

How can Y2Y return before this is implemented? If Y2Y comes back before expanded rosters then it ain’t happening.

I seriously am doubting some under the hood logic cancelled Y2Y.

Yesterdays stream was whatever. I mean come on folks.

A new depth chart, and removing one screen from the budget menu.

LOL I mean really? Thats it?

That was your “updates”

Oh historical MilB stats.....finally. That to me was the best reveal.

The rest is whatever. And we will find out what logic was really done soon enough.

No lineup logic, AI pitching logic....nada.

I mean the two biggest wants besides a stadium creator (which is cool but not earth shaking for some of us):

Expanded rosters- which will really take the mode to new levels of immersion and better logic IMO and roster building.

Rotating Inter-league schedules - why why why can’t this be done? Why? It is freaking insane. PS5.....nope.

Just a big kick in the balls again by SDS on offline franchise guys. Lets not try and rationalize the BS they said over 12-15 minutes last night.

I am sure the game will play great....but franchise mode....nothing was really added on terms of community wants.

Stadium creator....bravo.

That does not address the core of the mode and how to really make it deeper and more like a baseball simulation both on the diamond (which they do a wonderful job of doing) and off( where they are simply way behind other franchise modes now).

And I spend 95% of my time on then diamond in franchise. So wanting expanded rosters to me is the foundation to make everything else matter more.

Rant over.


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[Caulfield]

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Whats the biggest difference between ps5 and ps4 version?

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you mean besides create-a-stadium?

[wryan1978]

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"So, no, it doesn’t seem like interleague schedules will change year to year."

Can someone explain this to me? I guess there will be no such thing as Sunday night games after the first season as well.?(it's been like this for years now)

These aren't mind boggling changes I'm asking for here. I'd even settle for letting me pick game times in franchise, and how about letting us make the schedule after year one? I've seen this community put that kind of effort into things like Sounds of the Show so I don't see why we can't do it here. Unreal...

[bryanm1982]

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I’m not a computer or programmer whiz by any means, but wouldn’t you think they could at least use 2019 and 2018 scheduled for the next years? Rotate it. So in 2025 you would play the 2021 schedule again.

For the expanded rosters, this would have been a great year to at least put that in the PS5 version. Now is the time to do it with the new alignment of the MLB minors. Just give us the single high A team. It would have set the mode up for next year to have Y2K.

It is a nice start for them but they should have given franchise more attention for the next gen game.

[ch46647]

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I understand carryover saves won’t transfer into 21’, but do we know if Franchise files will carryover into 22’ and beyond?

[Caulfield]

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I understand carryover saves won’t transfer into 21’, but do we know if Franchise files will carryover into 22’ and beyond?

we do not. heck, even the Studio and Sony doesn't know

[jack1535]

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I’ll probably buy a few months after release when full minor rosters are sorted out and updated (or however long that takes). I’ll probably be sick of my franchise and want to start over anyway at that point

[jerwoods]

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we need

better AI bullpen Logic
have a system to where the big market teams Like NYY LA LAA CC etc have up to a 300 mil payroll
middle market has a 200 mil payroll
and small market has 100 mil

[jweakland]

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My Friends and I are waiting to see if there's an online/connected franchise. Did they mention anything about it. I think in 20 you could on play a season. Is it still going to be the same?

[TripleCrown]

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you mean besides create-a-stadium?

- create a depth-chart
- create a yearly budget
- create a new way to calc player rating
- create a big hype for nothing