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  • cvantu
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    • Oct 2016
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    #1

    Compare And Contrast: Things MLB 2K13 still does better

    Most will claim that the game sucks, some will say they don't care about these things, but as someone who still played 2K13 up to the release of The Show on Xbox, these are things I'd like to see that's missing in The Show.

    - Variable fielding meter: MLB2K greatly altered the throw meter based on whether you were doing running throws or decided to plant your feet.

    - User fielding slider: 2K allowed you to increase the difficulty of the fielding meter if you found it too easy

    - User controlled bunts: Bunts were not automatic in 2K. The game offered full analog control of bunt placement

    - Presentation: Most already know the presentation and commentary was better. It's pretty much what most people remember about 2K

    - Batter contact/power ratings: Batter ratings were part of the presentation, and would be displayed without need to have stoppage/pausing in the game. Also, they updated by pitch as it used Inside Edge statistics for count scenarios. Your batter may be a 60 contact on an 0-0, but better contact on a 2-1 .etc.

    - Sliders: 2K was generous in how you wanted to alter the game with its game play and franchise sliders. Anyone who plays NBA2K today knows how deep they allowed you to tinker.

    - Replay saves: Yes, the current consoles allow you to share on the fly, but 2K allowed you to save direct replays from the replay itself (NBA2K still does). You could compile and save files, as well as name them, and play them directly from in game.

    - Effort control with pinpoint pitching: I love how the mechanic works in The Show. They did a great job. However, you can't control the amount of effort you put on pitches. Also, 2K displayed a graphic after the pitch showing you how much your pitch break was on the fly.

    - Pitcher confidence: I know The Show has pitcher confidence in the game, but honestly...at least with pinpoint pitching, I have no idea what it affects. At least in 2K, if your confidence was low, the pitching curser would wig out making it harder to pinpoint your pitches.

    - Batting View: This is my personal feeling, but I think 2K's batter view was perfect, and no batting view on The Show comes close. I was able to reproduce it with custom, but you can't use custom views online (which 2K did allow).

    - Individual settings/sliders per mode: The Show allows you to create presets, and this isn't a big deal really, just annoying. In 2K, if you adjust settings in a mode, they will remain those settings no matter what you change outside of it. I like to play different settings in RTTS, and when I load back in after playing with settings for online, it'll be set to the online settings. In 2K, the settings are separated based on the mode itself, so there's never the remembering to change them. Not a huge deal, just annoying.

    - Shift changes: Shift changes were also part of the presentation. A graphic would pop up informing you of shift changes and what they were without need to stop/pause the game.
    Last edited by cvantu; 05-01-2021, 04:19 AM.
  • capa
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    • Jul 2002
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    #2
    Re: Things MLB2K13 still does better

    Shouldn't this be in the 2K section? Or Other Baseball games?

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    • Ace2734
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      • Aug 2015
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      #3
      Re: Things MLB2K13 still does better

      Originally posted by capa
      Shouldn't this be in the 2K section? Or Other Baseball games?

      I don’t think so. It’s a compare and contrast. I would title it something a little less direct, but I think the message is overall helpful and very well thought out.


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      • cvantu
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        • Oct 2016
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        #4
        Re: Things MLB2K13 still does better

        Originally posted by capa
        Shouldn't this be in the 2K section? Or Other Baseball games?
        What good would the post be in a 2K section when people who played the series already know about these features? Personally, I believe The Show's overall game play would benefit heavily with some of those additions (many that wouldn't take much to implement). The development team has borrowed a lot from 2K, and there's more they could take from, as listed. They were things I noticed, and it might come of benefit for ideas of future inclusions.

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        • Circle the Wagons
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          • Dec 2016
          • 76

          #5
          Re: Things MLB2K13 still does better

          I always thought 2k nailed the ballpark ambience better. The presentation was top-notch too.

          But as far as the sliders and gameplay mechanics, the game played too bad for them to matter in my opinion.

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          • cvantu
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            • Oct 2016
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            #6
            Re: Things MLB2K13 still does better

            Originally posted by Ace2734
            I don’t think so. It’s a compare and contrast. I would title it something a little less direct, but I think the message is overall helpful and very well thought out.


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            Thanks. The forum doesn't allow me to edit the title, it was just the first thing that popped in my head. I'm probably still living the world where there was still competition in the sport's market, and titles like that were far more common and acceptable.

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            • cvantu
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              #7
              Re: Things MLB2K13 still does better

              Originally posted by Circle the Wagons
              I always thought 2k nailed the ballpark ambience better. The presentation was top-notch too.

              But as far as the sliders and gameplay mechanics, the game played too bad for them to matter in my opinion.
              The batting and hitting mechanics since 2K10 were actually quite good. The fielding was always the sore spot that grabbed the most negative attention (as well as the graphics). However, additions like pitcher confidence resulting in tougher placement of the pitching curser is an addition that is irrelevant to how people feel the overall game played. It would work quite well in The Show (can anyone tell me what it affects with pinpoint pitching in 21?).

              I will say, with people complaining about bat sounds in 21, I can't go back to 2K13 with the bat sounds in that game lol.
              Last edited by cvantu; 05-01-2021, 11:11 AM.

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              • Ace2734
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                #8
                Re: Things MLB2K13 still does better

                Originally posted by cvantu
                Thanks. The forum doesn't allow me to edit the title, it was just the first thing that popped in my head. I'm probably still living the world where there was still competition in the sport's market, and titles like that were far more common and acceptable.

                I think it’s perfectly fine FWIW. I just, well, you know the world we live in right now.


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                • canes21
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 22904

                  #9
                  Re: Things MLB2K13 still does better

                  Good list, I pretty much agree with it all. Who knows how much traction this thread will get. A lot of fans of The Show were always a bit snobby and acted as if 2k could never touch The Show's quality, but I pretty much agree 100% with your list.

                  The presentation in the MLB 2k series was, imo, the best in any sports game to date still. It always felt like a true broadcast, and like someone else alluded to earlier, the ballpark sounds were captured perfectly and it made you actually feel like you were there at a real ball game while also nailing the broadcast feeling and making it feel as real as any other game has ever gotten.

                  The Show struggles quite a bit with its sounds inside the ballpark. If SDS could capture the quality of ballpark feel and presentation that 2k had, that would elevate the game into a whole new dimension.

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                  • cvantu
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                    #10
                    Re: Things MLB2K13 still does better

                    Originally posted by Ace2734
                    I think it’s perfectly fine FWIW. I just, well, you know the world we live in right now.


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                    Tell me about it. A world littered with eggshells as we walk barefooted.

                    Originally posted by canes21
                    Good list, I pretty much agree with it all. Who knows how much traction this thread will get. A lot of fans of The Show were always a bit snobby and acted as if 2k could never touch The Show's quality, but I pretty much agree 100% with your list.

                    The presentation in the MLB 2k series was, imo, the best in any sports game to date still. It always felt like a true broadcast, and like someone else alluded to earlier, the ballpark sounds were captured perfectly and it made you actually feel like you were there at a real ball game while also nailing the broadcast feeling and making it feel as real as any other game has ever gotten.

                    The Show struggles quite a bit with its sounds inside the ballpark. If SDS could capture the quality of ballpark feel and presentation that 2k had, that would elevate the game into a whole new dimension.

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                    I would say NFL2K5 nails overall presentation the greatest of any sport's game, and MLB2K/NBA2K nails commentary the greatest. The Show's overall presentation isn't terrible though, but yeah, the in stadium sounds have a lot to be desired.

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                    • leafs nation
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                      • Nov 2005
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                      #11
                      Re: Things MLB2K13 still does better

                      MLB 2k13 is still in my opinion the best baseball video game ever made. The Show is very good but I prefer 2k. You can turn off the homerun camera too.

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                      • berenjena
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                        • Jan 2008
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                        #12
                        Re: Things MLB2K13 still does better

                        Originally posted by leafs nation
                        MLB 2k13 is still in my opinion the best baseball video game ever made. The Show is very good but I prefer 2k. You can turn off the homerun camera too.
                        There's no way

                        2K gameplay was garbage

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                        • cvantu
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                          Re: Things MLB2K13 still does better

                          Originally posted by leafs nation
                          MLB 2k13 is still in my opinion the best baseball video game ever made. The Show is very good but I prefer 2k. You can turn off the homerun camera too.
                          Honestly, I was surprised how much you can set the game up to play like 2K, from the pitching mechanics to timed analog batting (analog mechanic is identical to 2K). As someone who has never played The Show before, I adapted quickly to it because it plays very close to 2K, as said, especially hitting and pitching.

                          I personally love the homerun camera in both games.

                          Originally posted by berenjena
                          There's no way

                          2K gameplay was garbage
                          No, it wasn't. Visual Concepts turned the game around after 2K9, and it played a great game of baseball. Pitching and hitting were excellent post 2K9, and fielding was its sore spot in game play.
                          Last edited by cvantu; 05-01-2021, 12:07 PM.

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                          • capa
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                            #14
                            Re: Things MLB2K13 still does better

                            2K baseball was horrible. Great presentation, but horrible execution. Anyone who is saying 2K baseball was the best baseball game ever has to be looked at with a slanted eye.

                            2K football was great. But it is 2021 not 2005 or 2008. Again, great presentation and the on field game was excellent. Not perfect as many would lead you to believe, but excellent. It had many shortcomings.

                            2K basketball is in a league of its own.

                            2K hockey had potential but on ice was not so great.

                            The Show is the gold standard in baseball games. They are adapting as they go, and yes, they still have a long way to go. If they would stop shooting themselves in the foot and listen more to hardcore customers, they'd have a better overall game. On field is 9/10 but the rest of the package is 5/10.

                            C

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                            • canes21
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                              #15
                              Re: Things MLB2K13 still does better

                              Originally posted by cvantu
                              Honestly, I was surprised how much you can set the game up to play like 2K, from the pitching mechanics to timed analog batting (analog mechanic is identical to 2K). As someone who has never played The Show before, I adapted quickly to it because it plays very close to 2K, as said, especially hitting and pitching.

                              I personally love the homerun camera in both games.



                              No, it wasn't. Visual Concepts turned the game around after 2K9, and it played a great game of baseball. Pitching and hitting were excellent post 2K9, and fielding was its sore spot in game play.
                              There is no point in trying to argue with people like that. As I said earlier, The Show crowd has too many that laugh at the mention of 2k and act as if The Show was God's gift to earth while 2k was the worst sports game ever.

                              It definitely improved tremendously by 2k12, was basically a copy and paste for 2k13, but it was a great playing game. Unfortunately it wasn't bringing in the money 2k wanted. I would love to see where the series would be if it were still around today. It was on the same trajectory from a quality standpoint that NBA 2k was on. I believe that NBA 2k21 on next gen is the best playing sports game of all time, passing APF 2k8, so I can only imagine what MLB 2k21 would be like and how it would have pushed The Show to be even better also.

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