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  • Madden08PCgmr
    MVP
    • Feb 2017
    • 2441

    #31
    Re: #fixtheshowfranchise

    The downfall of all Franchise modes is that they are tied to the contractual yearly release cycle.

    I think the fanbase would be better served if they broke out and were able to be fully developed the way other great titles are.

    IF they really wanted to make these modes great.

    I'm not convinced they do. The football game especially.
    Last edited by Madden08PCgmr; 08-11-2021, 02:10 PM.
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    • Speedy
      #Ace
      • Apr 2008
      • 16143

      #32
      Re: #fixtheshowfranchise

      Originally posted by Madden08PCgmr
      The downfall of all Franchise modes is that they are tied to the contractual yearly release cycle.

      I think the fanbase would be better served if they broke out and were able to be fully developed the way other great titles are.

      IF they really wanted to make these modes great.

      I'm not convinced they do. The football game especially.
      So franchise is a completely separate game? IDK about that.
      Originally posted by Gibson88
      Anyone who asked for an ETA is not being Master of their Domain.
      It's hard though...especially when I got my neighbor playing their franchise across the street...maybe I will occupy myself with Glamore Magazine.

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      • Madden08PCgmr
        MVP
        • Feb 2017
        • 2441

        #33
        Re: #fixtheshowfranchise

        Just one mans opinion.

        Pretty much how the cycle works anyway. How long was Madden ignored? 10 years? Even though EA was forced to go on record, knowing the overwhelming majority of their fanbase played it.

        Release a new version every 3 or 4 years. Let people download new rosters from the yearly release to keep it fresh.

        I think we're more likely to get better, consistent, 'new' content that way.

        A separate dev team may really push the envelope and get these modes closer to a bonafide franchise experience, rather than getting buried in the production line.
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        • DarthRambo
          MVP
          • Mar 2008
          • 6630

          #34
          Re: #fixtheshowfranchise

          Originally posted by Madden08PCgmr
          Just one mans opinion.

          Pretty much how the cycle works anyway. How long was Madden ignored? 10 years? Even though EA was forced to go on record, knowing the overwhelming majority of their fanbase played it.

          Release a new version every 3 or 4 years. Let people download new rosters from the yearly release to keep it fresh.

          I think we're more likely to get better, consistent, 'new' content that way.

          A separate dev team may really push the envelope and get these modes closer to a bonafide franchise experience, rather than getting buried in the production line.
          I would gladly pay $65 for a game that was franchise only on it. They could use all the HD space on franchise features only so there's no cutting corners. Also endless content to be able to get live rosters within your saved online franchise. Maybe an online franchise that kept up with real life transactions for you possibility. We could have so so much stuff for franchise if they did that. I love the idea! Heck I'd pay for the $85 deluxe edition if it actually had stuff we want!

          Not sure why sports video games haven't gone this way tbh. If you wanna play MUT on Madden go pay $65 for it separately, then you can spend an extra grand inside of that to get your cards. If you wanna play RTTS, pay $65 for that and get all the content and stuff you could imagine if it was dedicated to one disc.

          And don't tell me they don't have the money to hire extra devs to create each game mode separately on a disc. If they wanted to do it they could and make quadruple the money they do now imo.

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          • countryboy
            Growing pains
            • Sep 2003
            • 52817

            #35
            Re: #fixtheshowfranchise

            Why would they compete against themselves? Why would they cut out a portion of their fanbase that likes to play multiple modes??? Do you think someone is going to pay nearly $140 to essentially buy the same game to play two different modes?

            What do you do with lesser modes? (Exhibition, postseason, challenges, etc...)


            The reason they don't, and won't, do it is because it makes no sense economically to increase their costs and cut their sales/profit margins.
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            • DarthRambo
              MVP
              • Mar 2008
              • 6630

              #36
              Re: #fixtheshowfranchise

              Originally posted by countryboy
              Why would they compete against themselves? Why would they cut out a portion of their fanbase that likes to play multiple modes??? Do you think someone is going to pay nearly $140 to essentially buy the same game to play two different modes?

              What do you do with lesser modes? (Exhibition, postseason, challenges, etc...)


              The reason they don't, and won't, do it is because it makes no sense economically to increase their costs and cut their sales/profit margins.
              I think we'd all be surprised at the amount of ppl who would buy the modes separately if it meant an enormous amount of content on each one. As for exhibition that is pretty small I'd imagine it could be added to all the discs.

              I don't play RTTS any longer than a couple weeks before I'm bored, but if the mode was pretty extravagant along with franchise I would personally be fine with paying $140 for both modes. Online stuff I don't care about. Maybe they have a deal for buy two get the third mode half off idk. If the content was there many would pay extra IMO, including myself.

              When I say content, I'm talking MLBTS and OOTP combined and then some! Madden and NFL Head Coach combined and then some!

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              Last edited by DarthRambo; 08-11-2021, 06:43 PM.
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              • Armor and Sword
                The Lama
                • Sep 2010
                • 21798

                #37
                Re: #fixtheshowfranchise

                Originally posted by lemarflacco
                You have to rotate the guys roles in the bullpen to even out the innings/appearances. Something that helps too is putting a short reliever in the lrp spot and if they're using someone too long, putting them in the second setup where hey will rarely get used.



                Also keep in mind if you dont have your injury numbers up, you're not going to get accurate bullpen stats if all 8 receivers are playing 162 games. So injuries are a way you can manage bullpen usage as well.


                My injury numbers are good. But the changing roles works…tested it.

                Great suggestion!!!


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                • countryboy
                  Growing pains
                  • Sep 2003
                  • 52817

                  #38
                  Re: #fixtheshowfranchise

                  Originally posted by IrishSalsa
                  I think we'd all be surprised at the amount of ppl who would buy the modes separately if it meant an enormous amount of content on each one. As for exhibition that is pretty small I'd imagine it could be added to all the discs.

                  I don't play RTTS any longer than a couple weeks before I'm bored, but if the mode was pretty extravagant along with franchise I would personally be fine with paying $140 for both modes. Online stuff I don't care about. Maybe they have a deal for buy two get the third mode half off idk. If the content was there many would pay extra IMO, including myself.

                  When I say content, I'm talking MLBTS and OOTP combined and then some! Madden and NFL Head Coach combined and then some!

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                  I think you're overestimating how many people would be willing to spend twice the amount of money on essentially the same game just to play separate modes, especially if this concept was unison across all sports titles.

                  And what happens in year two of this concept? You already have people not buying the newest installment of a game because there isn't enough change to warrant the price of purchase. How much money do you think these companies would lose if they do this concept a second year, but see only 60% (doesn't matter number because if less than 100% they lose money) of their customer base return because the previous installment has everything they want and the polish isn't worth another $65 or $140 investment?

                  From a business cost point of view (money, time, resources) this is a lose money approach to take.
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                  • DarthRambo
                    MVP
                    • Mar 2008
                    • 6630

                    #39
                    Re: #fixtheshowfranchise

                    Originally posted by countryboy
                    I think you're overestimating how many people would be willing to spend twice the amount of money on essentially the same game just to play separate modes, especially if this concept was unison across all sports titles.

                    And what happens in year two of this concept? You already have people not buying the newest installment of a game because there isn't enough change to warrant the price of purchase. How much money do you think these companies would lose if they do this concept a second year, but see only 60% (doesn't matter number because if less than 100% they lose money) of their customer base return because the previous installment has everything they want and the polish isn't worth another $65 or $140 investment?

                    From a business cost point of view (money, time, resources) this is a lose money approach to take.
                    True. Year 2 and beyond it would be difficult to come up with ways to improve the mode. That's where they would need to charge less for updated rosters and close to the same content. I don't think many would buy any more than just the mode they enjoy most though. At least for one year they wouldn't lose any money, my opinion they would make way more that first year since it would be such a new concept for gaming. I still would pay $65 for franchise mode only if it was MLBTS and OOTP+ at least year one and see where they go with it. Y2Y saves would be vital if they want ppl to buy it year 2 and beyond no doubt. Nonetheless, plenty of revolutionary ideas are told they'd never work and then do.

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                    Last edited by DarthRambo; 08-11-2021, 07:07 PM.
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                    • Madden08PCgmr
                      MVP
                      • Feb 2017
                      • 2441

                      #40
                      Re: #fixtheshowfranchise

                      Originally posted by IrishSalsa
                      I would gladly pay $65 for a game that was franchise only on it. They could use all the HD space on franchise features only so there's no cutting corners. Also endless content to be able to get live rosters within your saved online franchise. Maybe an online franchise that kept up with real life transactions for you possibility. We could have so so much stuff for franchise if they did that. I love the idea! Heck I'd pay for the $85 deluxe edition if it actually had stuff we want!

                      Not sure why sports video games haven't gone this way tbh. If you wanna play MUT on Madden go pay $65 for it separately, then you can spend an extra grand inside of that to get your cards. If you wanna play RTTS, pay $65 for that and get all the content and stuff you could imagine if it was dedicated to one disc.
                      I am shocked they haven't made franchise pay to play, based on the success of MUT and DD.

                      If the content is worthwhile, I would pay absurd sums of $$$. IF the content was worthwhile.

                      Originally posted by IrishSalsa
                      And don't tell me they don't have the money to hire extra devs to create each game mode separately on a disc. If they wanted to do it they could and make quadruple the money they do now imo.
                      Agreed, I really think they are missing the boat. As we are, since there isn't a truly great experience to be had.

                      Its a shame. Especially given where we were 15-or-so years ago. To think THIS is where we would be today, talking about how franchise could be great.. just a shame.
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                      • Madden08PCgmr
                        MVP
                        • Feb 2017
                        • 2441

                        #41
                        Re: #fixtheshowfranchise

                        Originally posted by countryboy
                        And what happens in year two of this concept? You already have people not buying the newest installment of a game because there isn't enough change to warrant the price of purchase. How much money do you think these companies would lose if they do this concept a second year, but see only 60% (doesn't matter number because if less than 100% they lose money) of their customer base return because the previous installment has everything they want and the polish isn't worth another $65 or $140 investment?

                        From a business cost point of view (money, time, resources) this is a lose money approach to take.
                        I don't think a yearly release is justified. Sony and EA don't either. Look at the years it gets no time or attention.

                        I definitely don't think they would lose money if the game was truly great.

                        Why is GTA.. Red Dead.. ect ect a masterpiece? Time, development. Not stale, rehashed cr@p, which is what Madden franchise had been prior to the recent uprising.

                        There is no limit to what I would pay for a great franchise experience. But it will have to great, I'm finished with the way they are doing business presently.
                        Last edited by Madden08PCgmr; 08-12-2021, 10:43 AM.
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                        • countryboy
                          Growing pains
                          • Sep 2003
                          • 52817

                          #42
                          Re: #fixtheshowfranchise

                          Originally posted by Madden08PCgmr
                          I don't think a yearly release is justified. Sony and EA don't either. Look at the years it gets no time or attention.

                          I definitely don't think they would lose money if the game was truly great.

                          Why is GTA.. Red Dead.. ect ect a masterpiece? Time, development. Not stale, rehashed cr@p, which is what Madden franchise had been prior to the recent uprising.

                          There is no limit to what I would pay for a great franchise experience. But it will have to great, I'm finished with the way they are doing business presently.
                          The licensing agreement they have in place (MLB, NBA, NFL, etc...) requires a yearly release.
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                          • Madden08PCgmr
                            MVP
                            • Feb 2017
                            • 2441

                            #43
                            Re: #fixtheshowfranchise

                            Originally posted by countryboy
                            The licensing agreement they have in place (MLB, NBA, NFL, etc...) requires a yearly release.
                            Not the case for a supplemental release, such as Head Coach, or NFL Tour.
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                            • lemarflacco
                              Banned
                              • Mar 2018
                              • 1001

                              #44
                              Re: #fixtheshowfranchise

                              Originally posted by Madden08PCgmr
                              Just one mans opinion.

                              Pretty much how the cycle works anyway. How long was Madden ignored? 10 years? Even though EA was forced to go on record, knowing the overwhelming majority of their fanbase played it.

                              Release a new version every 3 or 4 years. Let people download new rosters from the yearly release to keep it fresh.

                              I think we're more likely to get better, consistent, 'new' content that way.

                              A separate dev team may really push the envelope and get these modes closer to a bonafide franchise experience, rather than getting buried in the production line.
                              Stop trying to fortnite my madden. keep the yearly and release and implement things like what they did with franchise where they continue to update the feature throughout the year, simple.

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                              • lemarflacco
                                Banned
                                • Mar 2018
                                • 1001

                                #45
                                Re: #fixtheshowfranchise

                                Originally posted by IrishSalsa
                                I would gladly pay $65 for a game that was franchise only on it. They could use all the HD space on franchise features only so there's no cutting corners. Also endless content to be able to get live rosters within your saved online franchise. Maybe an online franchise that kept up with real life transactions for you possibility. We could have so so much stuff for franchise if they did that. I love the idea! Heck I'd pay for the $85 deluxe edition if it actually had stuff we want!

                                Not sure why sports video games haven't gone this way tbh. If you wanna play MUT on Madden go pay $65 for it separately, then you can spend an extra grand inside of that to get your cards. If you wanna play RTTS, pay $65 for that and get all the content and stuff you could imagine if it was dedicated to one disc.

                                And don't tell me they don't have the money to hire extra devs to create each game mode separately on a disc. If they wanted to do it they could and make quadruple the money they do now imo.

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                                I GET what your saying but you make it sound so simple. So if I play all three of these modes for 60$ now... I have to pay $180 now? If you thought #fixmyfranchise got some traction , ID be interested to see what this would do lol

                                Im also not sure how old you are or what level of business acumen you have but this may work for a new game. But it would be nearly IMPOSSIBLE to give someone all of this for $60 and then charge them triple for the same thing. You can file this under the guise of adding new things but everyones value prop is gonna be diff as to what warrants enough content for me to pay 60 for just MUT
                                Last edited by lemarflacco; 08-12-2021, 03:06 PM.

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