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  • GAMEBREAKER85
    Rookie
    • Jun 2014
    • 379

    #136
    Re: MLB The Show 23 Patch #9 Available Today - Patch Notes

    Maybe bc it’s boosting the swing/miss ratio which is more severe this year it’s really helping the timing.

    I just put in MLB the Show 22 a few moments ago - OMG what a different experience; first batter fouled off like 6-7 pitches w 2 strikes. Next batter 2-run dinger.

    Night and Day difference - and you can feel it immediately.

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    • TripleCrown
      MVP
      • Jan 2013
      • 1240

      #137
      Re: MLB The Show 23 Patch #9 Available Today - Patch Notes

      Originally posted by DonkeyJote
      Out of curiosity, I pitched a game (on legend with some slider adjustments) with Foul Frequency at 0, and another at 10. Those were the only changes. I used the same starting pitcher (Charlie Morton, 61 k/9). Intended to use the same relievers, but Morton ended up at 100 pitches after 5 innings in the second test, so had to use a couple extra guys. So I used Kirby Yates (77 k/9) and Nick Anderson (76) in the 2nd game and AJ Minter (73) and Raisel Iglesias (84) in both games. Both games were against the Mets at Truist Park, in June with a 7pm start.

      In the first game with Foul Frequency at 0, I struck out 9. The CPU fouls/strikes was 33.6% (MLB range is 26.6-29), Contact rate was 67.7% (MLB is 73.9-79.7), and the SwStr% was 16.4% (MLB is 9.2-12.6).

      With Foul Frequency at 10, I struck out 5. Fouls/strikes was 19.5, Contact rate was 82.7%, SwStr% was 8.5%.

      Obviously, small sample size. But the numbers for this sample do suggest that lower Foul Frequency leads to more swings and misses. As far as just "feel", the game at 10 foul frequency felt a lot more stressful. Even though the results were similar (I gave up 3 runs and 6 hits at 0, 4 runs and 7 hits at 10), 0 did feel quite a bit easier. I threw 122 pitches in the first game, 153 in the second.

      One thing I noticed that surprised me (but also kinda makes sense) is that the CPU plate discipline seemed worse at 0. I say that makes sense just because if Foul Frequency effectively works as a vision modifier, I could see it impacting plate discipline. With Foul Frequency at 0, the CPU chased on 38.6% of pitches out of the zone. I've been playing in my franchise at 5, and have actually had a difficult time getting the CPU to chase enough. That's the first time since I switched to legend and started tracking this that I've seen the CPU over 29. For reference, MLB range is 29.9-35.6. With Foul Frequency at 10, they were back down to 26.6. Also 23% of my pitches were called Strikes with Foul at 0. That's the first time I've seen it over 19% (MLB range is 14.5-18.2). It was back down to a more typical 16.3% with Foul Frequency at 10. Obviously it's just one game, and it could just be a coincidence. But if the CPU chases more, that would definitely cause more K's.

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      Really love how you tested it. Sometimes going extreme with other variables unchanged is the only way to clearly see the effect.

      I know it’s a short sample but based on what I see, maybe a Foul Frequency around 7 would be on par.

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      • TripleCrown
        MVP
        • Jan 2013
        • 1240

        #138
        Re: MLB The Show 23 Patch #9 Available Today - Patch Notes

        Originally posted by countryboy
        Just finished my second season using default sliders on legend with meter pitching playing every game

        I finished with 1,278 strikeouts (7.88 per game) which ranked 5th.

        Leader was Brewers with 1,364 (8.4 per game)


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        I went around with extensive testing on different sliders sets, difficulties and even altering between Classic & Meter, Directional and Zone. I’m currently leaning on settings to default now at Legend/Legend …or close to. Going too far in one direction or the other seems to detract something else.

        My only concern now is with Pitching Legend at default…I’m not walking enough. I have control at 4. What’s yours ? What’s your BB/9 ?

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        • DonkeyJote
          All Star
          • Jul 2003
          • 9189

          #139
          Re: MLB The Show 23 Patch #9 Available Today - Patch Notes

          Originally posted by TripleCrown
          Really love how you tested it. Sometimes going extreme with other variables unchanged is the only way to clearly see the effect.



          I know it’s a short sample but based on what I see, maybe a Foul Frequency around 7 would be on par.
          I'm actually thinking the other way. I'm going to try another game or 2 at 0 just to see the effects, but I'm thinking about dropping mine a little below 5 if there is a correlation between foul frequency and chasing (imo, it's likely a coincidence, but I'm still going to try it). The CPU chase rate for me at 5 has only been 24.6%.

          Still messing with other things a little, I'm also getting a CPU fouls/strikes around 30%, which is a little high, and swstr% at 9.2%, which is at the very bottom of the range and 6.8 k/9 (irl, even the awful A's have 7.7 k/9 this year). So 4 might be a little better.

          I'm currently at 3 control and getting 5.5 bb/9. But I'm using a lot of really low control pitchers.

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          Last edited by DonkeyJote; 06-14-2023, 08:25 PM.

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          • countryboy
            Growing pains
            • Sep 2003
            • 52789

            #140
            Re: MLB The Show 23 Patch #9 Available Today - Patch Notes

            Originally posted by TripleCrown
            I went around with extensive testing on different sliders sets, difficulties and even altering between Classic & Meter, Directional and Zone. I’m currently leaning on settings to default now at Legend/Legend …or close to. Going too far in one direction or the other seems to detract something else.

            My only concern now is with Pitching Legend at default…I’m not walking enough. I have control at 4. What’s yours ? What’s your BB/9 ?

            All my sliders are at default

            I’d have to check how many walks I average per game. I believe it’s slightly over 3 but would have to double check


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            • TripleCrown
              MVP
              • Jan 2013
              • 1240

              #141
              Re: MLB The Show 23 Patch #9 Available Today - Patch Notes

              Originally posted by DonkeyJote
              I'm actually thinking the other way. I'm going to try another game or 2 at 0 just to see the effects, but I'm thinking about dropping mine a little below 5 if there is a correlation between foul frequency and chasing (imo, it's likely a coincidence, but I'm still going to try it). The CPU chase rate for me at 5 has only been 24.6%.

              Still messing with other things a little, I'm also getting a CPU fouls/strikes around 30%, which is a little high, and swstr% at 9.2%, which is at the very bottom of the range and 6.8 k/9 (irl, even the awful A's have 7.7 k/9 this year). So 4 might be a little better.

              I'm currently at 3 control and getting 5.5 bb/9. But I'm using a lot of really low control pitchers.

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              oh I see now where you’re going.

              Seriously, you should start your own sliders thread. You’re posting very solid stats & testing cases and I’m sure tons like me would like to follow you.

              With @countryboy infos as well it would be terrific.

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              • moemoe24
                Rookie
                • Oct 2007
                • 1996

                #142
                Re: MLB The Show 23 Patch #9 Available Today - Patch Notes

                No wind in 6 straight games since patch, 4 of those in wrigley field. Come on, man!!!

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                • countryboy
                  Growing pains
                  • Sep 2003
                  • 52789

                  #143
                  Re: MLB The Show 23 Patch #9 Available Today - Patch Notes

                  Originally posted by TripleCrown
                  I went around with extensive testing on different sliders sets, difficulties and even altering between Classic & Meter, Directional and Zone. I’m currently leaning on settings to default now at Legend/Legend …or close to. Going too far in one direction or the other seems to detract something else.

                  My only concern now is with Pitching Legend at default…I’m not walking enough. I have control at 4. What’s yours ? What’s your BB/9 ?

                  My walks per game were 3.2


                  Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
                  I can't shave with my eyes closed, meaning each day I have to look at myself in the mirror and respect who I see.

                  I miss the old days of Operation Sports :(


                  Louisville Cardinals/St.Louis Cardinals

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                  • BlueSkies77
                    Rookie
                    • Jul 2018
                    • 295

                    #144
                    Re: MLB The Show 23 Patch #9 Available Today - Patch Notes

                    All this talk about pitching I felt I should chime in. Recently I’ve been noticing that Hall of Fame Pitching is piss easy. I was falling asleep most games, no challenge whatsoever. Moved up to Legend and was getting lit up by the computer… until recently. Someone said to stick to Legend and I’ll adapt, well they’re ere right. Now I’m starting to feel that Legend is to easy although I wonder if the team I’m playing has anything to do with it. But I struck out 11 batters on Legend recently so I’m seeing the trend of what is being discussed here. I know there is Legend + right? I wonder if that would help.

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                    • jcar0725
                      "ADAPT OR DIE"
                      • Aug 2010
                      • 3821

                      #145
                      Re: MLB The Show 23 Patch #9 Available Today - Patch Notes

                      Originally posted by BlueSkies77
                      All this talk about pitching I felt I should chime in. Recently I’ve been noticing that Hall of Fame Pitching is piss easy. I was falling asleep most games, no challenge whatsoever. Moved up to Legend and was getting lit up by the computer… until recently. Someone said to stick to Legend and I’ll adapt, well they’re ere right. Now I’m starting to feel that Legend is to easy although I wonder if the team I’m playing has anything to do with it. But I struck out 11 batters on Legend recently so I’m seeing the trend of what is being discussed here. I know there is Legend + right? I wonder if that would help.
                      Legend classic pitching for me has been the way to go. I even have the CPU contact and power up one notch. I got crushed for 2 games but then it settled down and now i get a nice mix. And I really have to watch how I pitch.
                      JUUUUUUUST A BIT OUTSIDE

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                      • countryboy
                        Growing pains
                        • Sep 2003
                        • 52789

                        #146
                        Re: MLB The Show 23 Patch #9 Available Today - Patch Notes

                        Originally posted by moemoe24
                        No wind in 6 straight games since patch, 4 of those in wrigley field. Come on, man!!!

                        Check the GAME LOG

                        For whatever reason this year if the wind is below 3mph the wind direction indicator will not show up on the pause menu


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                        I miss the old days of Operation Sports :(


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                        • DarthRambo
                          MVP
                          • Mar 2008
                          • 6630

                          #147
                          Re: MLB The Show 23 Patch #9 Available Today - Patch Notes

                          Originally posted by DonkeyJote
                          I'm actually thinking the other way. I'm going to try another game or 2 at 0 just to see the effects, but I'm thinking about dropping mine a little below 5 if there is a correlation between foul frequency and chasing (imo, it's likely a coincidence, but I'm still going to try it). The CPU chase rate for me at 5 has only been 24.6%.

                          Still messing with other things a little, I'm also getting a CPU fouls/strikes around 30%, which is a little high, and swstr% at 9.2%, which is at the very bottom of the range and 6.8 k/9 (irl, even the awful A's have 7.7 k/9 this year). So 4 might be a little better.

                          I'm currently at 3 control and getting 5.5 bb/9. But I'm using a lot of really low control pitchers.

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                          I tried a game pitching only using your settings. Cpu hitting 6/5/5/6/4 on legend pitching with my control and consistency at 3.

                          TEX 8 13 0 (4BB 11K) 3 2B, HR
                          CIN 2 3 1 (3BB 10K) 2B, HR

                          Nice to see that I can get lit up for 13 hits, and also only allow 3 hits in the same game using same settings.

                          Swing and misses seemed to be better due to the extra large PCI on legend. Strikeouts still seem like they will be on the high end though. This was with Hunter Greene only lasting 3.1ip and 3k. Four RP had 8ks in 4ip.

                          For Rangers John Gray had 6k in 5.1ip which is fine. Got 2k in bottom 9th with Leclerc though.

                          Not wanting to be pessimistic, but most likely I'm still going to average 1k every 2.5-3ab over the long haul. It's very very difficult for me to get under 10ks. 7k is my lowest this entire year playing and that was just once. Really stinks.

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                          • moemoe24
                            Rookie
                            • Oct 2007
                            • 1996

                            #148
                            Re: MLB The Show 23 Patch #9 Available Today - Patch Notes

                            Originally posted by countryboy
                            Check the GAME LOG

                            For whatever reason this year if the wind is below 3mph the wind direction indicator will not show up on the pause menu


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                            Yea, i saw that before but no wind in wrigley is weird for 4 straight games. Then went to boston where it has been storming for 2 straight games and no wind. Im not saying theres not games where the wind doesnt blow above 2mph in wrigley or that sometimes it can be raining without a decent wind, but those two together, and the fact ive not seen that “no wind” in 55 previous games makes me wonder.

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                            • Archie56
                              MVP
                              • Feb 2009
                              • 1556

                              #149
                              Re: MLB The Show 23 Patch #9 Available Today - Patch Notes

                              I've had a crap ton of games where the wind has been 7mph or greater in my franchise

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                              • Ghost Of The Year
                                Turn Left. Repeat.
                                • Mar 2014
                                • 6387

                                #150
                                Re: MLB The Show 23 Patch #9 Available Today - Patch Notes

                                Originally posted by moemoe24
                                Yea, i saw that before but no wind in wrigley is weird for 4 straight games. Then went to boston where it has been storming for 2 straight games and no wind. Im not saying theres not games where the wind doesnt blow above 2mph in wrigley or that sometimes it can be raining without a decent wind, but those two together, and the fact ive not seen that “no wind” in 55 previous games makes me wonder.
                                Next game bump up the Wind Slider for one or two innings, anywhere from 6, to 10. Default is 5. See how much difference that makes. You can always turn it back down during the game as often as you like.
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