Re: MLB The Show Graphics Discussion Thread

[KnightTemplar]

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It hasn't been said much this year but it's been a recurring comment in the past among some of the older crowd.

I haven’t heard a comment close to this. We’d have a lot more objective discussions if people would lay off the vitriol. Both sides.

[eric7064]

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I haven’t heard a comment close to this. We’d have a lot more objective discussions if people would lay off the vitriol. Both sides.

Ive been on these forums for many years, if you have not seen many comments like that in these forums I truly don't know what to tell you.

[Baseball Purist]

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I see a lot of comments suggesting that the previous generation of consoles has held the show back from taking that next step graphically on the current generation, and just curious as to how that is the case?

The reason that I ask is because both Madden and NBA 2k release on the previous generation, but there is a noticeable improvement visually on the current generation. Is it solely because of the cross play feature across all systems including the previous generation?

[eric7064]

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I see a lot of comments suggesting that the previous generation of consoles has held the show back from taking that next step graphically on the current generation, and just curious as to how that is the case?

The reason that I ask is because both Madden and NBA 2k release on the previous generation, but there is a noticeable improvement visually on the current generation. Is it solely because of the cross play feature across all systems including the previous generation?

The crossplay between generations is a huge reason. Many sports game still release on the old systems, nothing wrong with that, still a big player base.

But, making players able to play each other across generations means the game can't truly leap into new ground because they are held back by making everybody able to play everybody. Somebody on the Switch can play someone on PS5. Holds the game back entirely. No other major sports game has cross gen play as far as I know. Only the Show.

[breakfastcat]

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The crossplay between generations is a huge reason. Many sports game still release on the old systems, nothing wrong with that, still a big player base.

But, making players able to play each other across generations means the game can't truly leap into new ground because they are held back by making everybody able to play everybody. Somebody on the Switch can play someone on PS5. Holds the game back entirely. No other major sports game has cross gen play as far as I know. Only the Show.

This is my assumption as well. Because of it everything that the PS5 version does has to be compatible with what a Switch is capable of (at least from a gameplay perspective, but would include some graphical things like animations and physics). Which is why The current-gen version is little more than a 4k version of the Switch version. No room for true innovation or taking advantage of the added processing power.

If they would just remove the cross-gen online play aspect I don't see a reason they can't leave the old consoles behind and move forward.

[KnightTemplar]

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Ive been on these forums for many years, if you have not seen many comments like that in these forums I truly don't know what to tell you.

Comments like it’s sorta ok because some were ok with the SNES games. C’mon man.

1. There are those who are fine with the graphics, think they’re really good. They get jumped.

2. There are those who hate them and don’t get it why others don’t. They get jumped.

These forums have gotten toxic? Accusations to the extreme don’t help, but I guess that’s just the nature. Sure as hell isn’t enjoyable anymore.

[canes21]

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Comments like it’s sorta ok because some were ok with the SNES games. C’mon man.

1. There are those who are fine with the graphics, think they’re really good. They get jumped.

2. There are those who hate them and don’t get it why others don’t. They get jumped.

These forums have gotten toxic? Accusations to the extreme don’t help, but I guess that’s just the nature. Sure as hell isn’t enjoyable anymore.

He isn't wrong or making extreme accusations. There have been numerous posts this year and through the years where people have basically laughed at the graphical criticism and left with a comment about how they played a baseball game 20+ years ago that looked bad, so The Show is more than enough for them graphically.

Many people have gone about this conversation wrong, especially on the side where they don't really care about the graphics. It's as if some on here get defensive about the game for some odd reason and take issue with others not liking the lack of graphical updates over the years.

I would bet the vast majority of players in this thread, myself included, like the gameplay on the field for the most part, but we cannot overlook how objectively bad the graphics are for a current gen game in 2024. Simply criticizing the graphics is not calling this a bad game by any means, but there's a certain group of people here that clearly feel otherwise and feel it is their duty to defend SDS and The Show for whatever odd reason.

[jcar0725]

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He isn't wrong or making extreme accusations. There have been numerous posts this year and through the years where people have basically laughed at the graphical criticism and left with a comment about how they played a baseball game 20+ years ago that looked bad, so The Show is more than enough for them graphically.

Many people have gone about this conversation wrong, especially on the side where they don't really care about the graphics. It's as if some on here get defensive about the game for some odd reason and take issue with others not liking the lack of graphical updates over the years.

I would bet the vast majority of players in this thread, myself included, like the gameplay on the field for the most part, but we cannot overlook how objectively bad the graphics are for a current gen game in 2024. Simply criticizing the graphics is not calling this a bad game by any means, but there's a certain group of people here that clearly feel otherwise and feel it is their duty to defend SDS and The Show for whatever odd reason.

This goes 100% both ways. There are non stop comments basically stating "if you're fine with the graphics then there is something wrong with you" or comments such as "if you keep saying you don't hate the graphics then SDS will never improve them". Those are toxic comments as well, and cause people to get nasty.

It's not a defense of SDS, its basically saying the graphics should be better, but they're nice enough for me that it doesn't effect my enjoyment of playing the game. And you as well as anyone know that a comment like that gets attacked by the "graphics suck" people on here.

[canes21]

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I don't think I have seen a single post that says if you're fine with the graphics then something is wrong with you. Yes, I've seen people get defensive over their critiquing of the graphics, but nothing along those lines. Nor have I seen anyone say if you don't hate them, nothing will improve.

I could have easily missed those posts in other threads, or skimmed through this one too quickly and missed them if they are located here.

People are idiots. That's not news. There are idiots on this very board that will stoop to those levels, so it wouldn't surprise me if those posts were actually made.

However, this is a topic that is dedicated to graphical discussions and while I understand some are fine with the graphics and they don't bother them too much, simply coming in here to rub that in the faces of others seems not productive at all. Neither does coming in here just to say the graphics suck and nothing else, to be fair.

Pointing out the actual technical shortcomings of the graphics and showing where they fail in comparison to other sports games and other games in general is more productive. Talking about the objective shortcomings from a technical side of things is productive. Talking about how cross-gen has likely been a major influence on the graphics stagnation is productive. That seems to be the talk recently, so the thread has been productive. Then, you get posts that are either sarcastic or someone saying the graphics are fine to them and it seems like nothing more than an attempt to either rile someone up or just a post to get some attention.

It doesn't have to be all depressing talk either. We can talk about what is done well graphically in this game. The new hair physics look good. Occasionally the shaders for footprints and slides in the dirt look good. After that, objectively speaking, the game doesn't really do much else graphically that's too impressive for a game in 2024, so the conversation is typically going to stay more "negative".

Basically, the thread needs more continued talk of the actual technical shortcomings and reasons behind it like cross-gen and an elimination of posts of people either saying "they're fine to me" or "these grafix sux" type posts because neither do anything to drive the conversation further. Or, maybe I misunderstand the purpose of this thread. I don't know, I am not CB. Maybe coming in here and saying either of those things falls in line with what this thread was intended for. I doubt it given how neither really add anything to the discussion, but you never know.

[jcar0725]

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I don't think I have seen a single post that says if you're fine with the graphics then something is wrong with you. Yes, I've seen people get defensive over their critiquing of the graphics, but nothing along those lines. Nor have I seen anyone say if you don't hate them, nothing will improve.

I could have easily missed those posts in other threads, or skimmed through this one too quickly and missed them if they are located here.

People are idiots. That's not news. There are idiots on this very board that will stoop to those levels, so it wouldn't surprise me if those posts were actually made.

However, this is a topic that is dedicated to graphical discussions and while I understand some are fine with the graphics and they don't bother them too much, simply coming in here to rub that in the faces of others seems not productive at all. Neither does coming in here just to say the graphics suck and nothing else, to be fair.

Pointing out the actual technical shortcomings of the graphics and showing where they fail in comparison to other sports games and other games in general is more productive. Talking about the objective shortcomings from a technical side of things is productive. Talking about how cross-gen has likely been a major influence on the graphics stagnation is productive. That seems to be the talk recently, so the thread has been productive. Then, you get posts that are either sarcastic or someone saying the graphics are fine to them and it seems like nothing more than an attempt to either rile someone up or just a post to get some attention.

It doesn't have to be all depressing talk either. We can talk about what is done well graphically in this game. The new hair physics look good. Occasionally the shaders for footprints and slides in the dirt look good. After that, objectively speaking, the game doesn't really do much else graphically that's too impressive for a game in 2024, so the conversation is typically going to stay more "negative".

Basically, the thread needs more continued talk of the actual technical shortcomings and reasons behind it like cross-gen and an elimination of posts of people either saying "they're fine to me" or "these grafix sux" type posts because neither do anything to drive the conversation further. Or, maybe I misunderstand the purpose of this thread. I don't know, I am not CB. Maybe coming in here and saying either of those things falls in line with what this thread was intended for. I doubt it given how neither really add anything to the discussion, but you never know.

Yeah I wasn't quoting word for word I was being general on those comments.

Good post here by you, though . I don't disagree. I just want the toxicity to go away. How many times can we go back and forth over the same topics and continue to drag the boards down to the depths of depression.....

[eric7064]

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This goes 100% both ways. There are non stop comments basically stating "if you're fine with the graphics then there is something wrong with you" or comments such as "if you keep saying you don't hate the graphics then SDS will never improve them". Those are toxic comments as well, and cause people to get nasty.

It's not a defense of SDS, its basically saying the graphics should be better, but they're nice enough for me that it doesn't effect my enjoyment of playing the game. And you as well as anyone know that a comment like that gets attacked by the "graphics suck" people on here.

We are in a graphics discussion thread. A long one at that. Enough threads were made because of the criticism of the graphics that a mega thread had to be created.

I have no problem with people saying the graphics are fine, none at all. It's your experience, its your time, but its the SAME people coming onto this thread or others and picking up a sword and shield to defend it. It's okay for us to be critical. That's what discussion is for. It's the graphics discussion thread. If you or others want to defend SDS, then it's okay for us to be critical just the same.

I personally have not seen someone say "if you think the graphics are fine, what is wrong with you?". I can't say I have seen every post, if that is the verbiage they chose, then that's wrong on them. The second quoted comment of "if you keep saying you don't hate the graphics then SDS will never improve them" is by NO means toxic. If people keep buying the game, and sales are fine, why improve with no competition? How is that toxic?

[MLB14]

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The bottom line is.. the graphics engine they're using and created is outdated and what's a snap for other engines to achieve is probably near impossible for SDS to achieve with their current engine (and maintain 60 FPS).

I said it before. Hopefully they've been workin on porting the game to a more flexible and current engine, but who knows.

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[Cod]

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The bottom line is.. the graphics engine they're using and created is outdated and what's a snap for other engines to achieve is probably near impossible for SDS to achieve with their current engine (and maintain 60 FPS).

I said it before. Hopefully they've been workin on porting the game to a more flexible and current engine, but who knows.

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Moving to a current engine will definitely bring improvements to graphics and animations, but the game will regress greatly in gameplay. Today's game engines are not made for sports games and force an animation-based gameplay system (severely preloaded movements). EA forced all their development studios to use Frostbite and EA Sports has suffered greatly from it in the gameplay department.

In my opinion, gameplay and AI will always reign supreme in sports games, which is why I love MLBTS and FIFA16.

[PDibby23]

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He isn't wrong or making extreme accusations. There have been numerous posts this year and through the years where people have basically laughed at the graphical criticism and left with a comment about how they played a baseball game 20+ years ago that looked bad, so The Show is more than enough for them graphically.

Many people have gone about this conversation wrong, especially on the side where they don't really care about the graphics. It's as if some on here get defensive about the game for some odd reason and take issue with others not liking the lack of graphical updates over the years.

I would bet the vast majority of players in this thread, myself included, like the gameplay on the field for the most part, but we cannot overlook how objectively bad the graphics are for a current gen game in 2024. Simply criticizing the graphics is not calling this a bad game by any means, but there's a certain group of people here that clearly feel otherwise and feel it is their duty to defend SDS and The Show for whatever odd reason.

You’re 100 percent right. I don’t get the blind loyalty some here seem to have to SDS. Bottom line is, they are coasting with no competition.

[MLB14]

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Moving to a current engine will definitely bring improvements to graphics and animations, but the game will regress greatly in gameplay. Today's game engines are not made for sports games and force an animation-based gameplay system (severely preloaded movements). EA forced all their development studios to use Frostbite and EA Sports has suffered greatly from it in the gameplay department.

In my opinion, gameplay and AI will always reign supreme in sports games, which is why I love MLBTS and FIFA16.

How do they force an animation based gameplay system? Isn't that completely up to the developers?

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