Do you find players regress too fast or is it just me?

[ripwalk]

Re: Do you find players regress too fast or is it just me?

It does seem better. It’s not perfect, but definitely better than it had been.

Apologies for the stir I caused lol.

My only gripe is those guys towards the end of their careers can never retire on top. Scherzer, Morton, (old, old guys) becomes truly awful.


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No problem, I just think people rag on SDS and specifically career mode enough that we should point out stuff that has in fact improved a lot. I don’t remember the 32 and cliff falling off from past games (wouldn’t often make it deep into franchise), but I’m glad it’s much better now.

Similarly I agree that some superstars going down to AAA and eventually retiring due to lack of talent does suck and is unrealistic, but thankfully it’s not all of them as sometimes they bow out while still decent due to age alone.

[djflock]

Re: Do you find players regress too fast or is it just me?

No problem, I just think people rag on SDS and specifically career mode enough that we should point out stuff that has in fact improved a lot. I don’t remember the 32 and cliff falling off from past games (wouldn’t often make it deep into franchise), but I’m glad it’s much better now.

Similarly I agree that some superstars going down to AAA and eventually retiring due to lack of talent does suck and is unrealistic, but thankfully it’s not all of them as sometimes they bow out while still decent due to age alone.

But this is how sad progression/regression is in game. We are applauding the fact that they don't fall off a cliff at age 32 anymore.

[Happy29]

Re: Do you find players regress too fast or is it just me?

But this is how sad progression/regression is in game. We are applauding the fact that they don't fall off a cliff at age 22 anymore.

My thoughts exactly.

[MikeAK79]

Re: Do you find players regress too fast or is it just me?

Whatever SDS has done under the hood it's definitely a noticeable improvement from years past. I started noticing a change in 23 and it's even better here in 24. I've tested multiple Franchise runs having simulated 25+ seasons on most and even 50 seasons on another. What I noticed was that it was never the same in each Franchise. If player 1 falls off a cliff in one Franchise play there is no guarantee he'll fall in every other. And it's no longer a given that a player crashes after 10 years of service and 32yrs of age. Things aren't perfect but comparing MLB The Show 24 to what things use to be and I'll take 24 every time. Roster management is still a mess and needs major work but player regression is not nearly as bad as it used to be.

[ripwalk]

Re: Do you find players regress too fast or is it just me?

But this is how sad progression/regression is in game. We are applauding the fact that they don't fall off a cliff at age 32 anymore.

Or we are applauding that the progression/regression system is actually good?

And as another user pointed out is varied and not predictable.

Having done several 20+ year sims in 23 and 24, I think the progression /regression system produces a nice variety of career arcs. What are you hoping to see improved ?

[bilbobeuli]

Re: Do you find players regress too fast or is it just me?

It's one of the many problems this franchise has which will never get fixed.

[ripwalk]

Re: Do you find players regress too fast or is it just me?

It's one of the many problems this franchise has which will never get fixed.

Except, it’s literally been demonstrated that it’s not actually an issue.

The OP himself started the thread simply asking others experiences on the basis of older players losing ratings during ST.. which… older players most often are worse in a new season than they were the year before, as Father Time has never lost yet. So nothing about that seems unreasonable.

On top of that, your posts in other threads are all just negativity calling the game crap.., so, maybe not exactly an unbiased opinion ? Do you even have v24?

[Therebelyell626]

Re: Do you find players regress too fast or is it just me?

But this is how sad progression/regression is in game. We are applauding the fact that they don't fall off a cliff at age 32 anymore.

So you’re saying we shouldn’t applaud them when they do something good? Thats a weird argument to make. I’m sure programming any of the logic in franchise under the hood without breaking something else is probably quite complicated, and not as easy as it sounds.

I am probably one of the most critical people of SDS on this entire forum.

[djflock]

Re: Do you find players regress too fast or is it just me?

So you’re saying we shouldn’t applaud them when they do something good? Thats a weird argument to make. I’m sure programming any of the logic in franchise under the hood without breaking something else is probably quite complicated, and not as easy as it sounds.

I am probably one of the most critical people of SDS on this entire forum.

Im all for applauding things that are good. This is them fixing something that they had broken.

[djflock]

Re: Do you find players regress too fast or is it just me?

Or we are applauding that the progression/regression system is actually good?

And as another user pointed out is varied and not predictable.

Having done several 20+ year sims in 23 and 24, I think the progression /regression system produces a nice variety of career arcs. What are you hoping to see improved ?

I would want the progression to be more dynamic and make sense, pitchers to gain or lose pitches, velocity, break, stamina. Players to lose speed more dynamically when they age. More of performance driving the ratings. Players gain or lose position eligibility. Just a few off the top of my head. Basically any of the features that have been in OOTP for 5 years.

[MikeAK79]

Re: Do you find players regress too fast or is it just me?

I would want the progression to be more dynamic and make sense, pitchers to gain or lose pitches, velocity, break, stamina. Players to lose speed more dynamically when they age. More of performance driving the ratings. Players gain or lose position eligibility. Just a few off the top of my head. Basically any of the features that have been in OOTP for 5 years.

Gets really old people alway comparing OOTP to The Show. Two completely different games aimed to do two completely different things. If some people are expecting a playable console video game to ever be as in depth and feature rich as a PC simulator they are in for a real rough wait.

[djflock]

Re: Do you find players regress too fast or is it just me?

Gets really old people alway comparing OOTP to The Show. Two completely different games aimed to do two completely different things. If some people are expecting a playable console video game to ever be as in depth and feature rich as a PC simulator they are in for a real rough wait.

I didn't compare the game. I listed like 10 things in response and you just dismiss it all to go to the last sentence.

[ripwalk]

Re: Do you find players regress too fast or is it just me?

I would want the progression to be more dynamic and make sense, pitchers to gain or lose pitches, velocity, break, stamina. Players to lose speed more dynamically when they age. More of performance driving the ratings. Players gain or lose position eligibility. Just a few off the top of my head. Basically any of the features that have been in OOTP for 5 years.

All great ideas. I haven’t delved deeply enough into The Show in a micro level like that to examine how well these are or aren’t done. But yes definitely nice ideas, although I’d rather see them improve AI bullpen or roster management first, as the regression system is at least passable to me.

And you mention for the system to make sense .. but a lot of time real world doesn’t “make sense”
Either. Some players come out of nowhere after being mediocre for years .. some great players inexplicably struggle when they shouldn’t… there’s a fair bit of real life randomness that isn’t easy to explain either … so for that reason I’m okay with some things that seem a bit random in a development engine.

And yes I’ve been playing OOTP for 20+ years and it’s certainly got a lot of great systems (although people still complain about many things there too!)

[djflock]

Re: Do you find players regress too fast or is it just me?

All great ideas. I haven’t delved deeply enough into The Show in a micro level like that to examine how well these are or aren’t done. But yes definitely nice ideas, although I’d rather see them improve AI bullpen or roster management first, as the regression system is at least passable to me.

And you mention for the system to make sense .. but a lot of time real world doesn’t “make sense”
Either. Some players come out of nowhere after being mediocre for years .. some great players inexplicably struggle when they shouldn’t… there’s a fair bit of real life randomness that isn’t easy to explain either … so for that reason I’m okay with some things that seem a bit random in a development engine.

And yes I’ve been playing OOTP for 20+ years and it’s certainly got a lot of great systems (although people still complain about many things there too!)

Yea I saw people complaining that ootp hasn't added enough franchise features recently lol meanwhile I can't even enjoy OOTP because it is freakin overwhelming.

And when I say dynamic , my example is more akin to the regular ratings update the show does. Where players might gain/lose 10 rating points in a couple months. Prospects come out of nowhere and work in to serviceable mlb players, bullpen guys who might start with a 65 rating , might go up to a 78 in a couple months with the real sds updates. Progression/regression is extremely slow IMO in the show.

I think maybe if they added something where players / minor leaguers on prolonged hot/cold streaks could progress/regress significantly faster. This is something I think is so needed as well because of their lackluster roster management. Would have more dynamic cpu management because when they just roster the highest rated player, there isn't much change during the season.

and yea, lineup and bullpen logic is the MOST important thing to me. I can manually bump players playing great or call up/send down players periodically. But having to manage lineups/bullpen for the cpu teams is such a time suck for me.

[Xcavs31x]

Re: Do you find players regress too fast or is it just me?

I will confidently say regression is broken. Dudes will be having great starts and 15 games into the season have massive regression. While some guys will be playing terrible and nothing changes. It makes zero sense