Draft Discussion - Video of latest draft results

[tessl]

Re: Draft Discussion - Video of latest draft results

I think the confusion with what you're saying is that when guys talk about adjusting sliders on this board, they're trying to make the game either a) harder, or b) realistic. They aren't trying to make the game easier to play.

Then go for it but realize the CPU sets lineups, pitching rotations, trades and draft picks based upon default sliders. You gain an advantage because you know what the sliders are and the CPU teams don't.

Same with sponsorships. CPU doesn't get them.

Perhaps I'm more strict than others about that stuff. I have self imposed trade restrictions to prevent myself from ripping off the CPU.

A few years ago when I mentioned a problem with gameplay that caused inordinate low scoring games a user who now works for SDS told me to adjust sliders. That's why they never fix problems.

Another problem with adjust sliders is pitcher stamina which is a major issue. In the op's video I found 5 first round picks who were SP that will never be a SP because their stamina won't progress they way the scouts project. That's a broken part of the game. If you adjust the slider to they have good stamina that also adjusts sliders to players who have 80's stamina and turns those pitchers into Warren Spahn. Then you have the opposite problem of too much stamina and pitchers who toss a complete game too often.

The developers should fix the game.

[countryboy]

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[MiracleMet718]

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Then go for it but realize the CPU sets lineups, pitching rotations, trades and draft picks based upon default sliders. You gain an advantage because you know what the sliders are and the CPU teams don't.

Same with sponsorships. CPU doesn't get them.

Perhaps I'm more strict than others about that stuff. I have self imposed trade restrictions to prevent myself from ripping off the CPU.

A few years ago when I mentioned a problem with gameplay that caused inordinate low scoring games a user who now works for SDS told me to adjust sliders. That's why they never fix problems.

Another problem with adjust sliders is pitcher stamina which is a major issue. In the op's video I found 5 first round picks who were SP that will never be a SP because their stamina won't progress they way the scouts project. That's a broken part of the game. If you adjust the slider to they have good stamina that also adjusts sliders to players who have 80's stamina and turns those pitchers into Warren Spahn. Then you have the opposite problem of too much stamina and pitchers who toss a complete game too often.

The developers should fix the game.

The slider changes don’t edit the CPU roster management. They literally just change how the game plays for all players. So if you boost up the stamina slider, it’s just making every pitcher lose stamina slower in game. This impacts the CPU as well since there are sliders for both human and CPU players. For the sliders that don’t differentiate between human/CPU, they impact both. It’s not changing anything with how they are being managed because their ratings don’t change.

The draft problem with low stamina SPs is an issue, but as I said before it’s because stamina doesn’t progress at all when it should (same with speed). Those are the only two attributes that have progression issues. Everything else progresses as long as you play long enough.

[Ghost Of The Year]

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Then go for it but realize the CPU sets lineups, pitching rotations, trades and draft picks based upon default sliders. You gain an advantage because you know what the sliders are and the CPU teams don't.

I just don't believe this is the case.

The developers should fix the game.

The developers goal to fix the game should be a game that doesn't need sliders? A once size fits all approach is a terrible idea. If some people are good enough to reduce human sliders to zero and increase cpu sliders to ten, then wouldn't they have to make a game without sliders as hard as conceivably possible, and then expect the less skilled users to ''git gud''? Eventually the people who can't enjoy losing 162 games in a season are going to quit buying the game.

No sir, sliders are your friend. I need the ability to make the game harder by tweaking sliders. Otherwise I cannot enjoy going 162-0.

[tessl]

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I just don't believe this is the case.
The developers goal to fix the game should be a game that doesn't need sliders? A once size fits all approach is a terrible idea. If some people are good enough to reduce human sliders to zero and increase cpu sliders to ten, then wouldn't they have to make a game without sliders as hard as conceivably possible, and then expect the less skilled users to ''git gud''? Eventually the people who can't enjoy losing 162 games in a season are going to quit buying the game.

No sir, sliders are your friend. I need the ability to make the game harder by tweaking sliders. Otherwise I cannot enjoy going 162-0.

You aren't playing manage mode.

[MiracleMet718]

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You aren't playing manage mode.

Whether playing in manage mode or not, you realize that slider changes do NOT impact CPU manager/management decisions, yes? You stated they do when that is not true at all.

[Ghost Of The Year]

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You aren't playing manage mode.

Does not what you propose affect more than manage mode?

[tessl]

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Whether playing in manage mode or not, you realize that slider changes do NOT impact CPU manager/management decisions, yes? You stated they do when that is not true at all.

That's the opposite of what I said. Read it again. User knows he manipulated sliders but CPU doesn't.

Developers should fix their game.

[tessl]

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Does not what you propose affect more than manage mode?

I propose the developers fix the broken draft and progression system. I'm not sure why anybody would oppose that. You could still adjust sliders to your benefit.

For example the developer create players and CPU drafts players based upon scouted progression when actual progression does not match scouted progression. Why would you oppose fixing that?

[Kramer5150]

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You could still adjust sliders to your benefit.

Okay, enough is enough. This right here is some serious downright BS!!!! Did it ONCE ever occur to you that we do NOT adjust sliders to "our benefit"? what you just suggested was we are manipulating the game to make it easier.

This is 100% false my boy, it's already been said the reason WHY we change sliders, whether it's with MLB,Madden,2k or NHL..and I don't recall it's trying to make it easier, or in your words "benefit" us in any way.

I'm not sure what your issue is here, but what each person does with their game as far as any slider adjustments go is none of your concern, you didn't buy everybody's game, so what gives you the right on telling us how we should play the game?

[countryboy]

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I propose the developers fix the broken draft and progression system. I'm not sure why anybody would oppose that. You could still adjust sliders to your benefit.

For example the developer create players and CPU drafts players based upon scouted progression when actual progression does not match scouted progression. Why would you oppose fixing that?

In case you "overlooked" it the first time:

It's not broken!

Scouting progression should never, and will never, match actual progression. If that was the case, then scouting would serve no purpose whatsoever. The game would just give you the overall and attribute ratings of a player and you simply pick who you want with no worries of picking a bust or finding a gem.

Let me ask you this in regard to this topic, do you think that when a professional scout goes to a high school game or college game to scout a player that he can predict the player's exact, 100% without mistake, his actual progression thru his baseball career?

Next better players in the draft. I don't know what ratings for overall attributes that you expect to see from a player that qualifies them as a player who is MLB caliber, but I believe you're expecting it to be significantly higher than it needs to be. Look at the starting roster, base roster, for your 1st season of franchise. What are/were their ratings? I guarantee you they aren't all 80's and 90's.

Just a little FYI here, replacement level for positional players is 65 overall, for pitchers its 67 overall.

Take a look at the video attached, or even your own drafts and check to see how many players drafted are at or above those levels, or fairly close to it. At least in '24, given that information, there are plenty of players that are currently at, or will shortly be at that level of replacement.

There are certainly things that need to be tweaked, added, etc to the draft experience, but matching scouting progression to actual progression at a 1:1 ratio isn't one of them. And neither is flooding the draft with more prospects that are at or will quickly become MLB caliber players.

[jcar0725]

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Tessl gotta be trolling, guys. I think its time we just stop responding to the nonsense comments, or he's just going to keep going.

[CBoller1331]

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I propose the developers fix the broken draft and progression system. I'm not sure why anybody would oppose that. You could still adjust sliders to your benefit.

For example the developer create players and CPU drafts players based upon scouted progression when actual progression does not match scouted progression. Why would you oppose fixing that?

Because "actual progression" does not always match "scouted progression" in real life. Go look at the top prospect list is from 5-10 years ago and compare how many guys did not develop like scouts thought they would. Top prospect lists are always a mixed bag of hits and misses. If the system in MLB the show always got every player right then it wouldn't be realistic.

I don't think anyone is opposed to improvements to the draft - they are just disagreeing that the system is "broken" like you keeping saying.

[MiracleMet718]

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That's the opposite of what I said. Read it again. User knows he manipulated sliders but CPU doesn't.

Developers should fix their game.

This makes no sense and has to be trolling at this point. There are both human and CPU sliders and the CPU gameplay (not decision making) is impacted by those slider changes. Sounds like you just don’t understand how sliders work then.

Also since you are worried about cheating, having “actual progression” would be cheating because there would be no randomness in the draft. You as the human team can always select the players with the highest progression ratings and not leave any left for the CPU and know that you’ll always have the best prospects. Makes absolutely no sense to have progression always pan out.

[tessl]

Re: Draft Discussion - Video of latest draft results

In case you "overlooked" it the first time:

It's not broken!

Scouting progression should never, and will never, match actual progression. If that was the case, then scouting would serve no purpose whatsoever. The game would just give you the overall and attribute ratings of a player and you simply pick who you want with no worries of picking a bust or finding a gem.

Let me ask you this in regard to this topic, do you think that when a professional scout goes to a high school game or college game to scout a player that he can predict the player's exact, 100% without mistake, his actual progression thru his baseball career?

Next better players in the draft. I don't know what ratings for overall attributes that you expect to see from a player that qualifies them as a player who is MLB caliber, but I believe you're expecting it to be significantly higher than it needs to be. Look at the starting roster, base roster, for your 1st season of franchise. What are/were their ratings? I guarantee you they aren't all 80's and 90's.

Just a little FYI here, replacement level for positional players is 65 overall, for pitchers its 67 overall.

Take a look at the video attached, or even your own drafts and check to see how many players drafted are at or above those levels, or fairly close to it. At least in '24, given that information, there are plenty of players that are currently at, or will shortly be at that level of replacement.

There are certainly things that need to be tweaked, added, etc to the draft experience, but matching scouting progression to actual progression at a 1:1 ratio isn't one of them. And neither is flooding the draft with more prospects that are at or will quickly become MLB caliber players.

The game assumes pitcher stamina will increase significantly. It never does. Never.

In the video you posted 5 teams wasted their first round pick on a SP will will never be a SP because his stamina is too low and it won't progress in the way the CPU assumes it will when they draft the player in the first round. Not sure why you focus on overall instead of attributes. When a batter steps into the batter's box in manage mode the outcome of the plate appearance is determined by attributes not overall.

It's broken. In order to have a functioning franchise given only 7 draft picks per year for each team the players need to progress. They aren't.

I do want to thank you again for posting the video and would ask when you buy mlbts25 to please post another draft video like this one. This was fantastic and informative.