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  • twiztiddarkangelman
    Banned
    • Dec 2008
    • 597

    #61
    Re: The Comeback AI thread

    Originally posted by swaldo
    How did you adjust the clutch ratings - set them to 0 or minimized? One thing I'm doing is taking out my SP as soon as there is any sign of trouble in the 5th or 6th inning. Even with good confidence and energy, I notice his balls will start sailing to odd locations - usually in the 6th inning. If a man gets on it's time to bring in relief.

    I am also getting the feel of realistic games even though I'm dominating. I think though the clutch will have to be increased from zero though in order to bring up averages and power. If you want, in your next game try 50 clutch and see what happens.
    Actually what I did was this. I played as the Dodgers so all of my players everyday players, no pitchers. I adjusted their clutch rating down by 8 points. For the Pods, trying to take some of the cpu comeback ability, I adjusted their rating down by 11. I've only played 2 games so far. The 2nd game I was losing 3 - 0 and then I got 3 runs in the 4th, 3 in the 7th, the Pods countered with 2 in the 7th then I added 2 in the 8th and 1 in the 9th, while the Pods managed 1 in the 8th and had 2 in scoring position in the 9th when I finally got out of the jam.

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    • djo201
      Rookie
      • Feb 2007
      • 257

      #62
      Re: The Comeback AI thread

      Here are some box scores of games I've played with CPU Comeback Off and On. They still do not prove anything as I've had close games with CPU Comeback On but I've also had +4-Run games with it On (which I didn't see with it Off), which tells me something must me wrong.

      Difficulty: All-Star
      Sliders: Default

      Random Game with CPU Comeback Off
      Spoiler


      First game with CPU Comeback On

      Spoiler


      Second Game with CPU Comeback On

      Spoiler


      EDIT: That "BS" letters besides Rivera have become a common thing (at least with Comeback Off and my first one with CB On). Does it mean "Blown Save" or "Bulls***"
      Last edited by djo201; 04-24-2009, 04:38 PM.

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      • swaldo
        MVP
        • Jul 2002
        • 1268

        #63
        Re: The Comeback AI thread

        Just played my 5th game with clutch at 0. This one was much different as I won an exciting game 8-7. They jumped on me in the first inning for 3 runs and it took me a few innings to settle down and build back my confidence. I was getting in deep counts and really fighting with Detroits offense.

        Then in the 7th inning things were looking good again and my SP had great confidence but low energy. I'm going to use him until the first sign of trouble. Then, smack there goes a home run making it 8-4. Trouble is here so bye bye starting pitcher.

        Fast forward to the 9th inning and Mariano Rivera is not himself. He gives up a run and has all kinds of trouble on base with 2 outs. Then, a nice grounder to 3B and he has all day to make the throw - but alas he sails it over the 1B head.

        Now it's 8-7 and with runners in scoring position. I don't trust Mariano anymore so I take him out. 1 pitch later and it's a fly ball and game over.

        Stats to come soon.

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        • swaldo
          MVP
          • Jul 2002
          • 1268

          #64
          Re: The Comeback AI thread

          Here are the stats of my 5 game test. The conditions are:

          All Star level, default sliders, auto fielding on, variable umps off, comeback OFF.

          Me: American League All Stars

          CPU - Detroit Tigers default roster with all clutch ratings edited down to zero.

          Ervin Santana started every game and was taken out in the 5-7th inning at the first sign of trouble. I used the same lineup against each other in the same stadium (Detroit night game with clear skies.) The same relievers were used when possible.

          Game 1: Won 10-1
          Game 2: Won 5-2
          Game 3: Won 7-0
          Game 4: Won 7-2
          Game 5: Won 8-7

          Total Runs: 37-12

          HERE IS MY PITCHING STATS AND DETROIT'S OFFENSIVE NUMBERS AGAINST MY PITCHING...

          ERA: 2.00
          OPP BATTING AVERAGE: .251
          OPP SLUGGING %: .297

          IP: 45
          At Bats: 175
          Hits: 44
          Runs: 12
          Earned Runs: 10
          BB: 13
          SO: 32
          2B: 5
          3B: 0
          HR: 1
          GIDP: 7
          HBP: 1
          SB: 1
          ERRORS: 5

          BATTING AVG WITH RUNNERS IN SCORING POSITION: .193
          AB RISP: 31
          HITS: 6
          BB: 7 (probably 3-4 were intentional)
          SO: 7
          GIDP: 2

          TOTAL MEN LEFT ON BASE: 39

          In conclusion this is very promising as the game played so much different than what I was used to. I'm confident we can tweak this enough so the game will be playable (for me anyway.) I'll break the numbers separately when winning, losing and tied later. It's friday night though and I gotta run.

          Also note while I was typing this I am watching a CPU vs CPU game - with Detroits clutch ratings edited to 99 for each player. Same teams American All Stars vs Detroit with Santana & Verlander pitching. American jumped out to a 3-0 lead and I just watched Inge from Detroit hit a home run to tie the game 3-3. Very Interesting. :wink:
          Last edited by swaldo; 04-25-2009, 02:55 PM.

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          • swaldo
            MVP
            • Jul 2002
            • 1268

            #65
            Re: The Comeback AI thread

            Originally posted by swaldo
            Also note while I was typing this I am watching a CPU vs CPU game - with Detroits clutch ratings edited to 99 for each player. Same teams American All Stars vs Detroit with Santana & Verlander pitching. American jumped out to a 3-0 lead and I just watched Inge from Detroit hit a home run to tie the game 3-3. Very Interesting. :wink:
            Just an update Detroit lost the game 14-4.

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            • brunnoce
              MVP
              • Mar 2005
              • 4133

              #66
              Re: The Comeback AI thread

              Originally posted by djo201
              Here are some box scores of games I've played with CPU Comeback Off and On. They still do not prove anything as I've had close games with CPU Comeback On but I've also had +4-Run games with it On (which I didn't see with it Off), which tells me something must me wrong.

              Difficulty: All-Star
              Sliders: Default

              Random Game with CPU Comeback Off
              Spoiler


              First game with CPU Comeback On

              Spoiler


              Second Game with CPU Comeback On

              Spoiler


              EDIT: That "BS" letters besides Rivera have become a common thing (at least with Comeback Off and my first one with CB On). Does it mean "Blown Save" or "Bulls***"
              so, before u ran those testsu aways played with OFF right?
              if so, were u seen any blow outs by u and by the ai?
              ---------------
              PSN: brunnoce
              Thanx Knight165

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              • tessl
                All Star
                • Apr 2007
                • 5685

                #67
                Re: The Comeback AI thread

                Originally posted by Millennium
                I also have a request from me:

                Do not refer to SCEA's statement as an "opinion". It is not an opinion from them. It is a fact.
                They have stated the fact about comeback code but I have seen no explanation about clutch. When exactly is clutch activated and what does it do? Is it activated in the late innings, when a team is trailing?

                It wouldn't hurt for them to answer this.
                Last edited by tessl; 04-25-2009, 09:24 AM.

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                • davewins
                  MVP
                  • Sep 2005
                  • 1913

                  #68
                  Re: The Comeback AI thread

                  Originally posted by djo201
                  Here are some box scores of games I've played with CPU Comeback Off and On. They still do not prove anything as I've had close games with CPU Comeback On but I've also had +4-Run games with it On (which I didn't see with it Off), which tells me something must me wrong.

                  Difficulty: All-Star
                  Sliders: Default

                  Random Game with CPU Comeback Off
                  Spoiler


                  First game with CPU Comeback On

                  Spoiler


                  Second Game with CPU Comeback On

                  Spoiler


                  EDIT: That "BS" letters besides Rivera have become a common thing (at least with Comeback Off and my first one with CB On). Does it mean "Blown Save" or "Bulls***"
                  LOL

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                  • swaldo
                    MVP
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 1268

                    #69
                    Re: The Comeback AI thread

                    Originally posted by alstl
                    They have stated the fact about comeback code but I have seen no explanation about clutch. When exactly is clutch activated and what does it do? Is it activated in the late innings, when a team is trailing?

                    It wouldn't hurt for them to answer this.
                    You might try starting a thread in the main forum regarding this, the devs aren't going to read this thread. I asked in a different thread but got no response.

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                    • tessl
                      All Star
                      • Apr 2007
                      • 5685

                      #70
                      Re: The Comeback AI thread

                      Originally posted by swaldo
                      You might try starting a thread in the main forum regarding this, the devs aren't going to read this thread. I asked in a different thread but got no response.
                      I will but I suspect the response would be they don't want to give away trade secrets.

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                      • swaldo
                        MVP
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 1268

                        #71
                        Re: The Comeback AI thread

                        Here are the stats from my previous post (clutch zero test) broken down into categories:

                        PITCHING WITH A LEAD:

                        ERA: 0.72
                        OPP BATTING AVG: .211
                        OPP SLUGGING %: .248

                        IP: 37
                        AB: 137
                        HITS: 29
                        RUNS: 5
                        EARNED RUNS: 3
                        BB:
                        SO:
                        2B: 2
                        HR: 1
                        GIDP: 6
                        SB: 1
                        ERRORS: 4 + (1 FIELDING MUFF COUNTED AS HIT)

                        OPP BATTING AVG RISP: .062

                        AB RISP: 16
                        H: 1
                        BB: 3
                        SO: 4
                        GIDP: 2

                        LOB: 29

                        PITCHING WHEN TIED:

                        ERA: 10.80
                        OPP BATTING AVG: .416
                        OPP SLUGGING %: .500

                        IP: 5
                        AB: 24
                        HITS: 10
                        RUNS: 6
                        EARNED RUNS: 6
                        BB: 5
                        SO: 4
                        2B: 2
                        HR: 0
                        GIDP: 1
                        SB: 1
                        ERRORS: 0

                        OPP BATTING AVG RISP: .363

                        AB RISP: 11
                        H: 4
                        BB: 4
                        SO: 2
                        GIDP: 0
                        LOB: 6
                        2B: 1

                        PITCHING WHEN LOSING:

                        ERA: 3.00
                        OPP BATTING AVG: .357
                        OPP SLUGGING %: .428

                        IP: 3
                        AB: 14
                        HITS: 5
                        RUNS: 1
                        EARNED RUNS: 1
                        BB: 0
                        SO: 1
                        2B: 1
                        HR: 0
                        GIDP: 0
                        SB: 0
                        ERRORS: 1

                        OPP BATTING AVG RISP: .250

                        AB RISP: 4
                        H: 1
                        BB: 0
                        SO: 1
                        GIDP: 0
                        LOB: 4

                        Pitching with a lead was lights out, and the total opposite of what I experienced with default clutch ratings. Since the CPU was not getting clutch hits or runs, my pitching confidence remained high so I was able to locate my pitches well. I got rocked in the first inning a couple times - so that's why the stats when tied were inflated.

                        So in summary, the CPU's overall batting average with RISP were below average, along with overall batting average when the CPU was losing.

                        When the CPU batted while they were losing with RISP their stats were well below average. Also, all errors & infielder muffs (except one) occured when I was winning the game.

                        I look forward to seeing if JT30's numbers are similiar to mine.
                        Last edited by swaldo; 04-25-2009, 02:49 PM.

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                        • Revolution42
                          Pro
                          • Jun 2008
                          • 765

                          #72
                          Re: The Comeback AI thread

                          Interesting research....thanks.

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                          • kingdevin
                            MVP
                            • Mar 2005
                            • 1110

                            #73
                            Re: The Comeback AI thread

                            Are folks adjusting ALL players clutch ratings or just pitchers?

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                            • S2S
                              Rookie
                              • Apr 2009
                              • 288

                              #74
                              Re: The Comeback AI thread

                              As an avid player of this title ever since I could remember it back being just Mlb. I'm seriously ****ing tired of playing manager mode in my franchise. My team scores 7 runs, then magically the other team comes up in one inning and gets them all back and magically wins the game every ****in' time. I don't care if you say it's not there or not. When it's happened to me for the last 5 times and when I've easily had a 7 run lead and them dropping it down on me is ********. So I want to thank whoever the dip**** was that put this in the game cause even though I admit you make the best game out there every year, You've pissed off a major fan of your series by this stupid ****. So thanks a lot for making me spend money on a game that ****ing ****s me in the butt EVERY SINGLE ******* TIME. Stupid ****ing game and the stupid ****ing comeback. -_- .

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                              • Chef Matt
                                True.
                                • Apr 2008
                                • 7832

                                #75
                                Re: The Comeback AI thread

                                Originally posted by S2S
                                As an avid player of this title ever since I could remember it back being just Mlb. I'm seriously ****ing tired of playing manager mode in my franchise. My team scores 7 runs, then magically the other team comes up in one inning and gets them all back and magically wins the game every ****in' time. I don't care if you say it's not there or not. When it's happened to me for the last 5 times and when I've easily had a 7 run lead and them dropping it down on me is ********. So I want to thank whoever the dip**** was that put this in the game cause even though I admit you make the best game out there every year, You've pissed off a major fan of your series by this stupid ****. So thanks a lot for making me spend money on a game that ****ing ****s me in the butt EVERY SINGLE ******* TIME. Stupid ****ing game and the stupid ****ing comeback. -_- .

                                Try turning comeback on. See if it helps.
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