The Comeback AI thread

[thdudeabides]

Re: The Comeback AI thread

Yep, his was a non-confrontational response. There are a LOT of answers to the "problem", but sadly only the ones who post "look comeback" get to speak as the mods have "closed" this, in their wisdom, instead of booting people who are out of line. The theme of OS lately.

Later.

The definition of trolling, as I understand it, is to post the same thing over and over in different threads. Psycobulk has been doing this routinely in the "comeback AI" threads.

If my understanding of the definition of trolling is wrong, feel free to correct me.

The first rule for this thread is that it is open for people who see the comeback AI and wish to discuss it, and specifically there is to be no arguments against it. Psycobulk could not make it three pages without ignoring that rule.
Are the "rules" on OS only for those who have under a certain number of posts?

If you don't like the MODERATORS rule your argument is with him, not me.

[jim416]

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The definition of trolling, as I understand it, is to post the same thing over and over in different threads. Psycobulk has been doing this routinely in the "comeback AI" threads.

If my understanding of the definition of trolling is wrong, feel free to correct me.

The first rule for this thread is that it is open for people who see the comeback AI and wish to discuss it, and specifically there is to be no arguments against it. Psycobulk could not make it three pages without ignoring that rule.
Are the "rules" on OS only for those who have under a certain number of posts?

If you don't like the MODERATORS rule your argument is with him, not me.

Psychobulk is a and has been a great contributor on these boards. Yeah, the moderators, lol. It appears there's a lot of going around in circles with this and complaining about it and not any real solutions (well Davewins had one, which seems to have gotten lost in all this) and there are more....but hey, discuss away and keep scratching your heads, lol. The people who can help will stay out.

[dave_sz]

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so, here we go again. Playing against the Mariners gutierrez hits a rocket into center. Anderson is coming in to make a shoe string catch. Having missed that catch the previous game I try to stop him second or two before the animation even begins, doesn't work. Ok, I throw it into 3rd ball gets passed the 3baseman and there goes an inside the park HR. I watch the replay and gutierrez NEVER stopped for the throw to 3rd, which was 3 steps behind him, he never even slid. As the ball got to the 3rd baseman he was already past 3rd running for home. I was up 4-0 in the 5th btw only giving up 3 hits so far. If this doesn't look predetermined and/or fixed, then I don't know. Pitcher is not really tired, confidence is up, and the next two batters get hits. So hits given up doubled without getting an out. ARGH!!!

[thdudeabides]

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Psychobulk is a and has been a great contributor on these boards.

I don't dispute this.

[swaldo]

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I watch the replay and gutierrez NEVER stopped for the throw to 3rd, which was 3 steps behind him, he never even slid. As the ball got to the 3rd baseman he was already past 3rd running for home.

Wow, that's some pretty bad cheese. I've played alot of games and haven't come across something like that yet. It's probably too late but if you can please post the video.

No offense taken Psycho, I actually tried your sliders but had the "3 spot" problem where I pitched lights out but there were the innings where everything fell apart - feast or famine. There's still alot of life left in this game for me, I haven't even touched RTTS and am getting back into batting (I have mainly pitched in all my games because of time constraints and that's what I enjoy best.) However, instead of getting deep & serious in the game it's basically going to be an occassional pick-up and play for fun game. That's the way things are looking at this point for me and is a bummer because I was hoping this was the game that would make stat based sims extinct.

I just get frustrated when I see what I percieve as BS - and I think that's why this thread is allowed to be here - because enough people are seeing it other than myself. If we can't freely discuss it then things just go in circles with endless bickering and debates. I've listened to advice and have tried slider adjustments, rating changes, different levels, varying approaches in play, and so forth and I still see something just about every game that makes me scratch my head.

In my recent test of clutch ratings I did see that having a great defense saved alot of runs - stopping short plays I would've called out as cheese if I had an average defense (I played as American League All Stars.) I might fiddle with that because overall results were pretty realistic.

[PsychoBulk]

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Thanks for the reasoned and reasonable reply Swaldo.

There was no "trolling" in my reply, as im sure you knew, ive far too much going on in my life to get involved with that rubbish on messageboards.

Im glad you will still at least play this game somewhat and not put it down altogether, its way too good for that, im sure on that point we can both agree

[findinghomer]

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how can anyone deny there is a comeback code!?

i mean there is a friggin OPTION for it on or off.....! and personally i think its broke. its only in the nail biters, not the 5-1 , 7-3 games that the people in denial give as examples.

i had a pb in a game i JUST took the lead in, in the top of the 9th . then the bottom half with the closer in, the passed ball, was a low strike , that went LITERALLY through the catchers glove then his body and to the wall to bring the tying run around... WTF.

cpu comeback is off....... but this is one example of why i think its always stuck
"on"

[pbz06]

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See, I'm still not seeing these "comebacks", where you guys see blatant and obvious "cheese" like with errors and stuff.

I do find certain things funny though. Like when you shoot a ball in the gap, you know it's not going to be a homerun because the CPU magically knows it's going to go off the wall and they play the perfect angle. There were a couple times where I thought to myself "where the heck is that outfielder going?" and then sure enough the ball takes a friendly ricochet right too him, lol. I also noticed that the CPU knows when you're throwing an error (like the one poster above mentioned). As soon as you throw the ball, he knows it's going to sail over the head because the baserunners react to it instantly before it actually happens. Just like when they shoot a rocket to the hot corner, when the CPU doesn't give you control of the nearest infielder, you know it's going to go under his glove or through him. Oh well, I can live with that programming.

My problem has always been the random 3-spot God mode though. I don't want to jump the gun, but I think I tamed it with Bahnzo's tip. I lowered the User Consistency to 3 (-2) and raised User Control to 7 (+2).

It seems that the tractor beam pitches were getting prevalent at times and led to the god innings. By lowering Consistency, it seems to have given a little less reliability to the User's accuracy and takes priority in the programming between missing the spot or tractor beeming it down the middle.

It's only been a handful of games though, so take it for what it is.

[yungmizzou]

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i posted about this earlier and got re-directed to this, I have tried turning the comeback AI both on and off, but still the computer seems to make some ridiculous comeback every single game i play, Im talkin players freeze so I cant ground balls, computer will hit a ball way outside the zone ofr a homerun, all that junk. Anyone got any pointers what I can do?

I play on veteran btw.

[thdudeabides]

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See, I'm still not seeing these "comebacks", where you guys see blatant and obvious "cheese" like with errors and stuff.

I do find certain things funny though. Like when you shoot a ball in the gap, you know it's not going to be a homerun because the CPU magically knows it's going to go off the wall and they play the perfect angle. There were a couple times where I thought to myself "where the heck is that outfielder going?" and then sure enough the ball takes a friendly ricochet right too him, lol. I also noticed that the CPU knows when you're throwing an error (like the one poster above mentioned). As soon as you throw the ball, he knows it's going to sail over the head because the baserunners react to it instantly before it actually happens. Just like when they shoot a rocket to the hot corner, when the CPU doesn't give you control of the nearest infielder, you know it's going to go under his glove or through him. Oh well, I can live with that programming.

My problem has always been the random 3-spot God mode though. I don't want to jump the gun, but I think I tamed it with Bahnzo's tip. I lowered the User Consistency to 3 (-2) and raised User Control to 7 (+2).

It seems that the tractor beam pitches were getting prevalent at times and led to the god innings. By lowering Consistency, it seems to have given a little less reliability to the User's accuracy and takes priority in the programming between missing the spot or tractor beeming it down the middle.

It's only been a handful of games though, so take it for what it is.

That was my tip, and I'm glad it's working for you (so far). I really think others. especially those "seeing" the comeback code issues should try it, it's helped me a lot.

[magnumpc]

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Wow and the debate goes on. Seriously though. I thought this thread was for those of us that believe this game has issues that some may view as comeback. Someone a couple of pages back threw out there that "he knew there is no comeback programed into this game." But other then that he offered nothing. Now I am not saying there is comeback put into this game. But, there is something going on with it. I never had any problem with this game until this year. The cpu is like super human and I've seen too many strange things late in games when I have the lead. Things that I don't see if I happen to be losing the game late.

[jim416]

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Wow and the debate goes on. Seriously though. I thought this thread was for those of us that believe this game has issues that some may view as comeback. Someone a couple of pages back threw out there that "he knew there is no comeback programed into this game." But other then that he offered nothing.

What have you offered, lol.

[magnumpc]

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I didn't put out I have some inside information. That's what I offer.

[rondoman]

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I seriously have never seen this.

Sure, I have blown leads, even big ones, but nothing that you wouldn't typically see IRL.

Sometimes I get nervous in the 8th or 9th if I am nursing a one run lead, especially if the lead run comes to the plate, but I honestly have not seen anything that would lead me to believe there is some code put in this game to give the CPU breaks.

Hell, just the other nite I gotta break in the 8th when the game was tied so it works both ways for me.

My bullpen with Hoffman has been pretty dang good this far, playing on all star with psychos awesome sliders. Hell, Todd Coffey is killing me but every other reliever has been solid.

[opd897]

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I seriously have never seen this.

Sure, I have blown leads, even big ones, but nothing that you wouldn't typically see IRL.

Sometimes I get nervous in the 8th or 9th if I am nursing a one run lead, especially if the lead run comes to the plate, but I honestly have not seen anything that would lead me to believe there is some code put in this game to give the CPU breaks.

Hell, just the other nite I gotta break in the 8th when the game was tied so it works both ways for me.

My bullpen with Hoffman has been pretty dang good this far, playing on all star with psychos awesome sliders. Hell, Todd Coffey is killing me but every other reliever has been solid.

Exactly.

I don't see it. Developers have stated there is no comeback code. That's good enough for me. Dead horse guys.