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  • DrUrsus
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    • Apr 2006
    • 2687

    #166
    Re: The Comeback AI thread

    Originally posted by davewins
    lol that's spot on in what I see as well.
    If you miss your spots in this game even by a little, it seems the pitchers confidence gets too shaken. That seems to lead to these innings imo. I have upped my pitch control and consistency to 7 each and it has put an end to a lot of this nonsense.

    Has anyone tried turning pitcher confidence off? What were the results?

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    • Phoenixmgs
      Banned
      • Feb 2009
      • 751

      #167
      Re: The Comeback AI thread

      Originally posted by DrUrsus
      Has anyone tried turning pitcher confidence off? What were the results?
      I've played with pitcher confidence off for about all of 2 games. I just recently turned it on to see if it would help. So, turning pitcher confidence off doesn't resolve the BS issue whatsoever.

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      • Mozatta
        Banned
        • Oct 2008
        • 205

        #168
        Re: The Comeback AI thread

        I have the PS2 version and was experience the CPU comeback. I wanted to change a few settings/sliders and I used to play with "fastplay" on. I changed "fast play" to off and in my few games (about 5 or so) the CPU is playing completely different. They are jumping on me early, they aren't scoring 8 runs immediately after I score. They are more competitive. It's only been a few games, but I am hopeful for this change. Maybe it's all in my head, but it's crazy that a useless setting could have the impact it seems it's having for me.

        My only gripe now is, like the poster above mentioned, the pitcher control. They lose confidence way too easily and when they do, sh*t hits the fan. You can't find the strike zone at all. Also dislike the fact that I never know where my pitch is going. If I throw a slider, the first time it will move a lot. I do the exact same pitch, same location, etc. but the 2nd pitch doesn't move at all. I place a slider low, it ends up being thrown high. That is my only gripe.

        I hope this brings down the CPU comeback for my franchise.

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        • Steven547
          MVP
          • May 2004
          • 3797

          #169
          Re: The Comeback AI thread

          "My only gripe now is, like the poster above mentioned, the pitcher control. They lose confidence way too easily and when they do, sh*t hits the fan."

          I think that is what the huge problem is here. The pitcher confidence is messed up. If my pitcher lets up ONE homer, it becomes a hit fest for the other team. I pray they fix this in the next patch.


          One question I do have for the SCEA developers (and maybe this should be posted elsewhere??) is: For Manage Only Mode, I've had amazing computer comeback, so, is this Computer Comeback option (on / off) defaulted to ON for this mode? And is there a way to turn it off??
          Last edited by Steven547; 05-03-2009, 11:57 AM.

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          • Mozatta
            Banned
            • Oct 2008
            • 205

            #170
            Re: The Comeback AI thread

            Played 5 more games and I've yet to have a CPU comeback. All by simply turning "fast play" off. Playing a franchise as Marlins. Last game won 9-0 against Mets. Threw a 3 hitter. I scored 3 in the bottom of the eighth, so I went into the top of the 9th expecting the CPU to at least score 2 runs. Reyes, ground out. Their 2nd batter pop fly. Wright comes up, check swing and hits the ball to Cantu. Cantu overthrows 1st. So i thought "here we go, here's the comeback." Delgado grounds to 2nd.

            There have been maybe 2-3 times where the CPU will score a run after I score, but I have yet to feel like I can't stop the CPU. Like I said, maybe it's all mental, but I really think this helps.

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            • djo201
              Rookie
              • Feb 2007
              • 257

              #171
              Re: The Comeback AI thread

              Originally posted by Mozatta
              Played 5 more games and I've yet to have a CPU comeback. All by simply turning "fast play" off. Playing a franchise as Marlins. Last game won 9-0 against Mets. Threw a 3 hitter. I scored 3 in the bottom of the eighth, so I went into the top of the 9th expecting the CPU to at least score 2 runs. Reyes, ground out. Their 2nd batter pop fly. Wright comes up, check swing and hits the ball to Cantu. Cantu overthrows 1st. So i thought "here we go, here's the comeback." Delgado grounds to 2nd.

              There have been maybe 2-3 times where the CPU will score a run after I score, but I have yet to feel like I can't stop the CPU. Like I said, maybe it's all mental, but I really think this helps.
              I play with Fast Play Off and I see comebacks so that's probably not the cause. Anyways congratulations on finding what works for you.

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              • StraightEdge
                Pro
                • Sep 2006
                • 650

                #172
                Re: The Comeback AI thread

                I haven't visited this thread yet, so I apologize if a lot of these questions have been answered already, but...

                In regards to the AI Comeback, I absolutely believe it's real. There are way too many instances where the CPU just unleashes on me in games out of nowhere.

                For example: I have a 4-0 lead in the 5th inning with Chien-Ming Wang on the mound versus the O's. I'm just dominating them and have a perfect game going. Not a no-hitter, a perfect game. Like, I've made no mistakes. No line drive outs, nothing. Anyway, there's two outs into the 6th, Wang gives up a triple (I admit that I myself played it into a triple, but that's not the point). The runner gets stranded...next inning, they lead off with a double. Another double. Another hit. Long story short, they wind up scoring 5 runs in the inning after going 5 innings without getting 1 freakin' hit. Some of the hits they get off of me are just ridiculous...a pitch way out of the zone gets driven up the middle, another one gets blooped over A-Rod at third - types of hits that the computer NEVER normally gets.

                So, yeah...I think it's ridiculous. The AI just starts hitting anything and everything I throw at them for no apparent reason at all. It doesn't make sense to me why this would happen.

                So, onto my questions...

                1. Has SCEA addressed any of these problems yet? If so, do they have any plans to fix this problem?

                2. Has anyone found any solutions to fixing this problem on our own? Like, is there any slider or option to toy around with to prevent them from coming back?

                Thanks for any help, guys. This is incredibly frustrating...it's just way too arcadey for me. It's the type of crap I'd experience playing NBA Jam back in the day where the computer would be trailing by like 30 points in the 4th quarter and always find a way to win.
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                • magnumpc
                  Banned
                  • Apr 2009
                  • 112

                  #173
                  Re: The Comeback AI thread

                  Originally posted by StraightEdge
                  I haven't visited this thread yet, so I apologize if a lot of these questions have been answered already, but...

                  In regards to the AI Comeback, I absolutely believe it's real. There are way too many instances where the CPU just unleashes on me in games out of nowhere.

                  For example: I have a 4-0 lead in the 5th inning with Chien-Ming Wang on the mound versus the O's. I'm just dominating them and have a perfect game going. Not a no-hitter, a perfect game. Like, I've made no mistakes. No line drive outs, nothing. Anyway, there's two outs into the 6th, Wang gives up a triple (I admit that I myself played it into a triple, but that's not the point). The runner gets stranded...next inning, they lead off with a double. Another double. Another hit. Long story short, they wind up scoring 5 runs in the inning after going 5 innings without getting 1 freakin' hit. Some of the hits they get off of me are just ridiculous...a pitch way out of the zone gets driven up the middle, another one gets blooped over A-Rod at third - types of hits that the computer NEVER normally gets.

                  So, yeah...I think it's ridiculous. The AI just starts hitting anything and everything I throw at them for no apparent reason at all. It doesn't make sense to me why this would happen.

                  So, onto my questions...

                  1. Has SCEA addressed any of these problems yet? If so, do they have any plans to fix this problem?

                  2. Has anyone found any solutions to fixing this problem on our own? Like, is there any slider or option to toy around with to prevent them from coming back?

                  Thanks for any help, guys. This is incredibly frustrating...it's just way too arcadey for me. It's the type of crap I'd experience playing NBA Jam back in the day where the computer would be trailing by like 30 points in the 4th quarter and always find a way to win.
                  As far as I've heard SCEA claims there are no problems like these to fix.

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                  • manny2k8
                    Rookie
                    • Jun 2008
                    • 195

                    #174
                    Re: The Comeback AI thread

                    I don't know how much pitcher confidence has to do with it because no matter how you tweak the sliders, and I've tried with everything maxed for the user's benefit and 0'ed the computer's attributes, the CPU continues to have unstoppable clutch hitting.

                    It's really to bad that SCEA can't see that, I'm sure they must be playing the same game and have encountered these issues. I know it's to late for anything now but it's something to improve on in the future in some way.

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                    • StraightEdge
                      Pro
                      • Sep 2006
                      • 650

                      #175
                      Re: The Comeback AI thread

                      Originally posted by manny2k8
                      I don't know how much pitcher confidence has to do with it because no matter how you tweak the sliders, and I've tried with everything maxed for the user's benefit and 0'ed the computer's attributes, the CPU continues to have unstoppable clutch hitting.

                      It's really to bad that SCEA can't see that, I'm sure they must be playing the same game and have encountered these issues. I know it's to late for anything now but it's something to improve on in the future in some way.
                      Why is it necessarily too late to fix it now? They can do an updated fix in the next patch, can't they?

                      It's one thing if they were saying, "OK, we screwed up. We'll try and fix it, but we make no guarantees." But the fact that they're seemingly avoiding the entire problem altogether and pretending it doesn't exist? That's ridiculous and poor customer service.

                      Stuff like this, the historical stats and the lineup/pitching rotation glitches in franchise mode...these are ALL things that they should have caught and fixed immediately. I'm especially pointing out the lineup/rotation problem because this has been going on for around 3 years now and they STILL have not bothered to fix it.
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                      • coreyhartsdaughter
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                        • Jul 2008
                        • 1107

                        #176
                        Re: The Comeback AI thread

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                        • ChubbyBanana
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                          • Oct 2003
                          • 7071

                          #177
                          Re: The Comeback AI thread



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                          • pbz06
                            Banned
                            • Oct 2008
                            • 1504

                            #178
                            Re: The Comeback AI thread

                            It seems it doesn't matter what I do with the sliders, I will always have that one god inning where I give up 3 runs...it gets so frustrating

                            I just lost a game 5-2 where they went into god mode top of the 9th. I had a fresh reliever, it just didn't matter. Every pitch I threw got pulled into the tractor beam and ended up middle of the plate and was getting smacked around. 2 batters later the confidence was shot, called a mound visit, didn't help. I brought in another fresh reliever and the same thing...tractor beams everywhere.

                            I mean, it's not like I just suddenly forget to pitch. This happens every time at least 1 inning where it's totally out of my control. I was cruising 2-1 and gave up a total of 3 base hits up until that point.

                            Needless to say, the end results was 4 rocket doubles and a laser shot single for 3 runs. It's amazing that once again, when they got their 3 runs, the last 2 outs were ridiculously easy. Lousy pop up and a strike out (my 3rd out was nailing down a baserunner).

                            So as awlays, my final boxscore looks great...their line was 5 7 2, and I had 2 5 0...but these stupid god innings are getting annoying.

                            How do we eliminate the tractor beam? Is that tied into the confidence? I can't tell because it's a cycle.....I magically throw a meatball that just shoots down my pitcher's confidence right away, but once the confidence is down I end up throwing nothing but meatballs anyway...and this carries over to any reliever I bring in. Once the CPU engages into battle mode, I'm helpless.

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                            • pbz06
                              Banned
                              • Oct 2008
                              • 1504

                              #179
                              Re: The Comeback AI thread

                              lol

                              Just started another game....this time 1st inning was the designated "god" mode. I was Dodgers going up against KC.

                              Just doesn't matter what or where I throw, the pitch ends up getting magically pulled over the heart of the plate and smacked around the park.

                              Almost identical to every one of my complaints, they end up with 3 doubles and a rocket single for 3 runs...all this with no outs.

                              The funny thing is, they had a runner on 3rd still, but I knew I was going to get out of this once they got their 3 runs.

                              I ended up just intentionally pitching down the middle just to test my theory, and sure enough, I got 3 easy outs just by pitching down the middle. In fact I got the 1st batter to strike out after 2 fouls and a swing and a miss, then the next guy popped out to 3rd base, while the last out weakly grounded out.

                              This is getting too predictable. It's like the CPU is programmed to get a 3-spot, and once they do they get happy and lay off. I don't have a record, but I would say that 90% of my games involve this exact same scenario playing out in any random inning, regardless if I'm ahead, tied, or behind. I know the logical answer is to "learn how to pitch", but that's just not the case. My pitching in general is dominant and my team ERA is around 3.00. I cruise in every game except for that one inning.

                              I'll finish up this game, but I'm willing to bet they don't do much damage the rest of the game.
                              Last edited by pbz06; 05-06-2009, 06:34 PM.

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                              • SoxChamp
                                MVP
                                • Apr 2005
                                • 2579

                                #180
                                Re: The Comeback AI thread

                                I've even noticed an amazing ability for the CPU controlled team to get back into almost every game in Manage Only mode as well. Suddenly, they seem to hit laser beams right back up the middle. And there seems to be no advantage whatsoever to bringing in righties vs. righties and lefties vs. lefties. Guys seem as if they are going to get their late inning hits no matter what.
                                It's only a video game.

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