The Comeback AI thread

[davewins]

Re: The Comeback AI thread

I'm not asking you to praise the game. Where did I even once hint that I'm one of those people? Trust me, I've had my fair share of complaints and in no way do I think this game is perfect. If you'd take a timeout from your endless rants to read what others post, I think you'd see that I post my criticisms just like you do. I even posted a few times in this thread regarding comeback.

Whatever. I tried to preface my comments by saying I wasn't being combative or attacking you. I honestly wasn't. But you took it that way anyway, so there's no further need for me to communicate with you. You'll beat that dead horse regardless. I'll bow out this thread now, since I discovered today that Manage Only mode doesn't have this option anyway.

I didn't like how you got personal with me. I know what you said before it. You didn't have to get personal with me about how you think I "seem to pick one or two issues every year and beat them into the ground like a good sinker".

I said nothing personal to you. I simply stated what I saw about the comeback issue in the comeback thread. I don't see why you felt you needed to personally attack me. If this isn't the place to discuss your views on the cpu comeback then I don't know where is.

Somebody asked about comeback post patch and the affects playing with it ON and OFF. I answered this in the appropriate thread. For some reason you felt like you needed to attack me personally with your remark on how I beat things into the ground. Completley uncalled for.

You can't sugarcoat it with "no offense" or "I don't want to sound combative".

[dave_sz]

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Started a franchise rookie(yeah yeah yeah) with all the hitting sliders for HUMAN at ZERO, except power, and I still couldn't get very realistic results. Well, my team BA was .350, my record was 9-1. But I was still behind 2 other teams in BA and there were other teams with similar records. And, let's be honest, it's how the firs month usually is, high BA. I was just getting too many runs and the pitching was too easy.
Moved up to veteran and now lost 4 straight, all lost in the 7-9th innings with a 6+ run lead. The first one was 7-1 in 7th. In the 8th they got 3 and in the 9th they got 3. I got 1 in the 11th and they got 2 in the 11th. I made sure I changed pitchers as soon as CONFIDENCE started getting to about half way down. I walked 2 guys throwing fastballs right down the middle and got burned on 2 pitches that were down and away and went for double and HR. Now I'll try with cpu comeback on...

[djo201]

Re: The Comeback AI thread

Started a franchise rookie(yeah yeah yeah) with all the hitting sliders for HUMAN at ZERO, except power, and I still couldn't get very realistic results. Well, my team BA was .350, my record was 9-1. But I was still behind 2 other teams in BA and there were other teams with similar records. And, let's be honest, it's how the firs month usually is, high BA. I was just getting too many runs and the pitching was too easy.
Moved up to veteran and now lost 4 straight, all lost in the 7-9th innings with a 6+ run lead. The first one was 7-1 in 7th. In the 8th they got 3 and in the 9th they got 3. I got 1 in the 11th and they got 2 in the 11th. I made sure I changed pitchers as soon as CONFIDENCE started getting to about half way down. I walked 2 guys throwing fastballs right down the middle and got burned on 2 pitches that were down and away and went for double and HR. Now I'll try with cpu comeback on...

Was that pre or post-patch? Also please don't doubt to post your results with Comeback On.

[dave_sz]

Re: The Comeback AI thread

post patch. Started just last week. I didn't bother with COMEBACK ON. Played 2 more games under veteran, with comeback OFF, won both but no before giving up a total of 6 runs in the 9th inning. 1st game was a 2 hitter into the 9th, me leading 3-0. They got 5 hits in the 9th to tie it. Second game was a 4 hit game into the 9th, me leading 5-1, they got 3 runs on a double and 2hrs. None which were homer-able.
Went back to rookie but can't get it to be realistic no matter what I do. So I'll fiddle with sliders and try veteran and all-star again...

[djo201]

Re: The Comeback AI thread

post patch. Started just last week. I didn't bother with COMEBACK ON. Played 2 more games under veteran, with comeback OFF, won both but no before giving up a total of 6 runs in the 9th inning. 1st game was a 2 hitter into the 9th, me leading 3-0. They got 5 hits in the 9th to tie it. Second game was a 4 hit game into the 9th, me leading 5-1, they got 3 runs on a double and 2hrs. None which were homer-able.
Went back to rookie but can't get it to be realistic no matter what I do. So I'll fiddle with sliders and try veteran and all-star again...

If you're not getting realistic stats on Rookie, you should give CPU Comeback On a try on Veteran. It works for me (at least pre-patch and on All-Star) and davewins says it still works post-patch. Some of the people who have posted in this thread have given it a try and found the CPU offense is not the same (SAME = as in comeback). The CPU will still kill you if you make mistakes but won't come back everytime in the 9th and you'll also see blowouts, which at least I didn't see with the setting Off.

[swaldo]

Re: The Comeback AI thread

So I just got back from vacation and have a fresh outlook on life. I decide to have fun with an exhibition game Golden Age vs Silver Age (me).

I have Nolan Ryan on the mound throwing 100MPH and pitching a 2 hitter through 5 innings while Cy Young is also pitching a shutout against me. Top of the 6th and I finally get a walk after noticing Cy was throwing balls in the dirt on 3-2 counts (and I was stupidly whiffing at them.) This time I take and trot on over to my free base. Then Reggie Jackson fights Cy with an 8 pitch at bat and finally ropes one into right center putting a man on 3rd and 1st with one out. Mike Schmidt steps up and I guess inside and am right, but the ball was more inside than I thought but Mike uses his strength to bloop one into left field just past the shortstop's reach. It felt good clawing & scratching out a run because you're not going to get alot of good pops against Cy Young.

Bottom of the 6th and Nolan has 55 pitches in thus far. First man steps up to the plate and lifts a shallow fly ball to center field. 15 time All Star and 10 time Gold Glover Al Kaline jogs up to make the catch. Instead this happens....

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Poor Al takes one through the chest like a .50 caliber round and death is immediate. They haul his body off the field ASAP because the gruesome site is making children cry.

Seriously though, the ball went through his chest which counted as a triple and a couple tractor beams later I'm down 2-1. I turn the game off in disgust and it was a reminder of the lack of variety in the game and how stupid CPU errors mainly occur when it needs runs. My games are either low scoring, high scoring or middle of the road and the CPU seems to just follow along with whatever I do - like an annoying kid that won't go away.

OOTP 10 can't get here soon enough. Hopefully it will be so good that it will end my "Show" misery.

FAQ:

Q: If you don't like the game why do you keep playing it?

A: Even with faults it's addicting and I just can't stop.

Q: Was manual fielding on or auto fielding?

A: Auto fielding was on. I wouldn't waste my time complaining if I made the mistake myself for crying out loud!

[PsychoBulk]

Re: The Comeback AI thread

Swaldo, i feel sorry for you my friend, you are forcing yourself to believe in this "issue" which means anytime you see anything out of the ordinary (the above was just a programming/visual glitch really) you put it down to "comeback".

I had won 6 games in a row until last night, some of the scores were 11-1, 6-1, and 7-0. At not one point did the CPU even look like coming back, not because it didnt "cllick into comeback mode" but because i actually kept pitching well.

Im not going to go into it any deeper than this (and ive held back from posting this so far as ive been intrigued by some of the replies in this thread from the believers) suffice to say ive actually been shown proof (think of my position as a Community Leader) that this "code" simply doesnt exist, and im talking absolute proof, not just some opinions.

This is not a dig at you, you have always put your points across very intelligently and fairly, but i felt compelled to post because it seems very sad that you appear to be giving up on a game due to this "comeback code" which simply doesnt exist.

Try and enjoy the game for what it is, if you cant, well i hope you The Show 10 is more to your liking mate.

All the best

[djep]

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I'm in the opposite camp...I don't think the AI is capable of coming back on me. My bullpen has been lights-out. Mariano Rivera is 19 for 20 in save opps with an ERA of 1.94 and I've got two other guys (Bruney and Albaladejo) I use to set him up who are sporting ERAs under 2 as well. I'm playing on All-Star with some minor slider tweaks (nerfing User batting a bit). As long as I've played this series I have always turned off the pitcher confidence. Maybe that has something to do with it.

[thdudeabides]

Re: The Comeback AI thread

Swaldo, i feel sorry for you my friend, you are forcing yourself to believe in this "issue" which means anytime you see anything out of the ordinary (the above was just a programming/visual glitch really) you put it down to "comeback".

I had won 6 games in a row until last night, some of the scores were 11-1, 6-1, and 7-0. At not one point did the CPU even look like coming back, not because it didnt "cllick into comeback mode" but because i actually kept pitching well.

Im not going to go into it any deeper than this (and ive held back from posting this so far as ive been intrigued by some of the replies in this thread from the believers) suffice to say ive actually been shown proof (think of my position as a Community Leader) that this "code" simply doesnt exist, and im talking absolute proof, not just some opinions.

This is not a dig at you, you have always put your points across very intelligently and fairly, but i felt compelled to post because it seems very sad that you appear to be giving up on a game due to this "comeback code" which simply doesnt exist.

Try and enjoy the game for what it is, if you cant, well i hope you The Show 10 is more to your liking mate.

All the best

If anyone believes you decided to troll this post because you felt "compelled" to because your "very sad" that swaldo is frustrated with what he believes is comeback code, I'll eat my hat.

[Jackdog]

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If anyone believes you decided to troll this post because you felt "compelled" to because your "very sad" that swaldo is frustrated with what he believes is comeback code, I'll eat my hat.

Your calling Psycho a troll. Great contribution.

[thdudeabides]

Re: The Comeback AI thread

Your calling Psycho a troll. Great contribution.

Thank you

[ImTellinTim]

Re: The Comeback AI thread

From what I've read on this thread so far, I find this to be the "average" complaint.

"My pitcher X has 4-5 good innings giving up 0-2 runs and 0-6 hits. Then all of a sudden my pitching strategy stops working and they start getting hits."

So, using that as an average you're probably facing the heart of the lineup for the second or third time, they've seen what you're doing on the mound, they've seen most of your pitches. Why are you surprised that they hit the ball, especially if you throw the first pitch over the plate?

Pay attention to your pitcher's confidence - if they don't have their best stuff, be ready to a little quicker with the hook. If I'm winning 2 or 3 to nothing, I have absolutely no problem pulling my pitcher in inning 5 if they aren't hitting their spots and someone gets to 2nd. I've found that knowing when to go to your bullpen helps stop rallies before they start. Of course, you still have to make pitches with the guy you bring in, but I find it easier to hit my spots with a fresh pitcher with higher confidence.

[fistofrage]

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I don't see it. I play on Legend and last night I had 2 games. 1st I won 7-1. They didn't really make any attempt at a comeback. 2nd Game I won 5-3. I was winning 2-0 in the bottom of the 8th, they score 3 runs. I come back in the 9th and score 3 of my own and then get them 1-2-3 in the bottom of 9 for the win.

When they do come back, its usally because my BP throws some meat up there.

[ImTellinTim]

Re: The Comeback AI thread

When they do come back, its usally because my BP throws some meat up there.

I hear that - a couple games ago a combination of a tiring Braden Looper and my righty-heavy Brewers bullpen gave up 18 runs from the 6th inning on! This was after Looper somehow battled through 5 without giving up a run. When they got up to like 12, I just started throwing it over the plate hoping they would just hit it to someone to get the game over with - didn't work so great. 18-9 is by far the most runs I've seen so far.

[jim416]

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Your calling Psycho a troll. Great contribution.

Yep, his was a non-confrontational response. There are a LOT of answers to the "problem", but sadly only the ones who post "look comeback" get to speak as the mods have "closed" this, in their wisdom, instead of booting people who are out of line. The theme of OS lately.

Later.