The Comeback AI thread

[Phoenixmgs]

Re: The Comeback AI thread

I'm really tried of this damn CPU BS, it's not comeback it's just pure unadulterated BS. I lost 16-3 yesterday (gave up 9 in the first with Ted Lilly). No way I should of gave up nine in the first inning, I wasn't pitching that bad, the CPU just stayed in their mode of smacking the ball all over the place for a ridiculous prolonged period, even the pitcher got a solid single. Then my last game I would have lost due to a blown save but I quit the game as the CPU hit a perfectly placed double to go ahead. I pitched so good to the first hitter in that inning, I threw a couple perfect strikeout pitches that the batter didn't even flinch at, frakking BS. Then, the CPU entered their impossible-to-get-out mode, next guy lined solid single, and the next guy hit the line shot double as I quit this BS game.

I think I'm gonna have to put CPU contact at -3 (2/10) because they don't chase nearly enough and hit the ball way too much. But then they chase too much with contact at -3. This game has become almost unplayable for me offline. Haven't started an RTTS yet as I am trying to get the CPU to give up more walks.

The only way I've found to get realistic games is to literally do in-game saves and if BS happens, just reload until BS doesn't happen. It's just that sad really.

[jpup]

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I'm really tried of this damn CPU BS, it's not comeback it's just pure unadulterated BS. I lost 16-3 yesterday (gave up 9 in the first with Ted Lilly). No way I should of gave up nine in the first inning, I wasn't pitching that bad, the CPU just stayed in their mode of smacking the ball all over the place for a ridiculous prolonged period, even the pitcher got a solid single. Then my last game I would have lost due to a blown save but I quit the game as the CPU hit a perfectly placed double to go ahead. I pitched so good to the first hitter in that inning, I threw a couple perfect strikeout pitches that the batter didn't even flinch at, frakking BS. Then, the CPU entered their impossible-to-get-out mode, next guy lined solid single, and the next guy hit the line shot double as I quit this BS game.

I think I'm gonna have to put CPU contact at -3 (2/10) because they don't chase nearly enough and hit the ball way too much. But then they chase too much with contact at -3. This game has become almost unplayable for me offline. Haven't started an RTTS yet as I am trying to get the CPU to give up more walks.

The only way I've found to get realistic games is to literally do in-game saves and if BS happens, just reload until BS doesn't happen. It's just that sad really.

play on All-Star. btw, the Cubs lost 10-0 today and the Yankees lost 22-4 a couple weeks ago. It happens. The game is hard and if you play a season and play every inning of every game, you will figure out how to prevent some of the above "BS" as you call it.

[Phoenixmgs]

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play on All-Star. btw, the Cubs lost 10-0 today and the Yankees lost 22-4 a couple weeks ago. It happens. The game is hard and if you play a season and play every inning of every game, you will figure out how to prevent some of the above "BS" as you call it.

I can't play on any other level as the hitting is much too easy even on HoF. And I'm sure the Cubs didn't lose 10-0 in the first inning.

Furthermore, after playing several years of this series I think games are also scripted to be high scoring games and pitching duels. That game I described with Ted Lilly starting; well, that was the second time I "started" that game as I first played it at about 6 in the morning and the first 5 batters hit the ball solidly and I said to myself I can't take this CPU BS right now, quit the game, and I went to bed. I play this same game again with Lilly pitching, he gives up 9 runs in the first. And, that last game I quit just as the CPU hit a go-ahead BS double in a game that Sean Marshall pitched wonderfully. Marshall and Lilly are pretty similar pitchers and I use about the same pitch strategy with both pitchers. Well, I replayed the Sean Marshall game and he pitched wonderfully again, 8 shutout innings. So, I don't think it's a coincidence that both Lilly outings were identical and both Marshall outings were identical. Pretty much anything I threw up there with Lilly got crushed and everything I threw up there with Marshall was an out. This is just something I've noticed all the years playing this series, some games no matter what are high scoring and some are pitching duels, you can replay them and the you'll see the same game unfold.

[jpup]

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I can't play on any other level as the hitting is much too easy even on HoF. And I'm sure the Cubs didn't lose 10-0 in the first inning.

Furthermore, after playing several years of this series I think games are also scripted to be high scoring games and pitching duels. That game I described with Ted Lilly starting; well, that was the second time I "started" that game as I first played it at about 6 in the morning and the first 5 batters hit the ball solidly and I said to myself I can't take this CPU BS right now, quit the game, and I went to bed. I play this same game again with Lilly pitching, he gives up 9 runs in the first. And, that last game I quit just as the CPU hit a go-ahead BS double in a game that Sean Marshall pitched wonderfully. Marshall and Lilly are pretty similar pitchers and I use about the same pitch strategy with both pitchers. Well, I replayed the Sean Marshall game and he pitched wonderfully again, 8 shutout innings. So, I don't think it's a coincidence that both Lilly outings were identical and both Marshall outings were identical. Pretty much anything I threw up there with Lilly got crushed and everything I threw up there with Marshall was an out. This is just something I've noticed all the years playing this series, some games no matter what are high scoring and some are pitching duels, you can replay them and the you'll see the same game unfold.

I guess you are just too good for the game. If you can never lose on All-Star then I have no advice for you.

[Phoenixmgs]

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I guess you are just too good for the game. If you can never lose on All-Star then I have no advice for you.

I wouldn't say I'd never lose (my win/loss record would probably be inflated to a degree but I don't think I would completely own the CPU), just my batting stats would be completely out of whack, I'd probably be hitting like .350 as a team. I'm hitting just over .300 as a team now on Legend with batting sliders that are turned way down.

[davewins]

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I hear what you are saying Phoenix because I just played a game that I went down 9-0 in the 2nd inning. I was doing everything right on the mound. You know when you are having a bad game and missing spots. This wasn't the case. I was hitting the release point and really throwing the right stuff. I don't know what to think sometimes because it does feel like to add to the randomness of baseball they mix in some blowouts that you have no control over sometimes.

I do think it's partially to do with confidence. When your confidence is all the way down there is pretty much no hope but still I know what you are saying about some games feeling like they are scripted. I don't know what to think but I do get the feeling that something weird might be going on just to keep with the randomness and variety of baseball.

If they randomize pitch location even though you hit the meter perfectly then who's to say that they can't randomize how the CPU bats sometimes??

[pbz06]

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Anybody else notice that the CPU gets A LOT of 2-out rallies or hits?

It seems that even when I get two quick outs, the 3rd batter or 3rd out would more often than not become a total chore to get out. You could be Johan Santana going up against an Erick Aybar and all of a sudden it feels like you're a rookie pitcher going up against Ted Williams. He starts fouling off everything, taking pitches with two strikes that are ridiculously close to a strike but the batter magically knows it's going to be a ball...before finally just smack a laser shot for a single. It happens so frequent to me that I pretty much expect to give up 3 or 4 straight hits once that first 2 out batter goes into God mode. Usually leads to my other theory, the 3-spot. Heh.

Again, I'm not completely onboard with the comeback theory, but I do see frustrating things that suddenly happen in the game that feel completely out of your control.

I also started monitoring the Confidence of the pitchers, and it's pretty ridiculous how much the CPU benefits from it, and you get completely crippled by it. Again, you could be Johan Santana and retire the side for 3 innings before having your confidence meter max out, while the CPU could be a no-name #5 guy, but if he gets you 1-2-3 in the 1st inning, it's pretty much game over because his confidence meter maxes out. At that point, they narrow in the strike zone (and literally throw a Ball at a 10-20% clip), and they can paint the corners, become the 2nd coming of Greg Maddux while you can't even smack pitches down the middle (they become ground outs or pop ups).

Similarly, you could be cruising and if you give up 2 hits or a run, the scripted part of the game kicks in and your pitcher (even if it's Santana) just falls apart. Everything starts getting tractor beamed into the middle of the plate, and every pitch starts getting smacked.

So frustrating.

[mcseven]

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Every since I've downloaded the patch the cpu comeback on option has been working the way it was supposed to. I think I'm going to try the game with it off. I've had the computer come back on me in the last 3 games and in every game the get a 1 or 2 run lead and then it goes back to normal. I mean wth is up with this game, the last two years this game was nothing like this.

[brunnoce]

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Every since I've downloaded the patch the cpu comeback on option has been working the way it was supposed to. I think I'm going to try the game with it off. I've had the computer come back on me in the last 3 games and in every game the get a 1 or 2 run lead and then it goes back to normal. I mean wth is up with this game, the last two years this game was nothing like this.

i have to agree with this...but with OFF im still seen some weird stuff,
for some reason my game is not playing well after i got the pacth...im deleting it tonight.

[JayD]

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well just got done with a game where my pitching dominated the whole game but all of the sudden the Astros came alive in the 8th & 9th inning scoring 5 runs and then their closer came in and shut me down beating me 5-4. I really didnt believe in all of this Comeback AI stuff but now i totally do!

[blakegreen22]

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Ok, i have read through this entire thread an am having a hard time deciding what to belive. I have expirienced all kinds of games from high scoring games to pitchers dials, but most all of my games remain close. So in short this is what I'm wondering; whether the option is flawed or not, does the game play more fairly with the comeback option on or off? Thanks in advance to all who reply as this is the one option keeping me from buying in to my franchise.

[swaldo]

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Again, I'm not completely onboard with the comeback theory, but I do see frustrating things that suddenly happen in the game that feel completely out of your control.

Well said, that's the way I feel about it, but "comeback" is a simple & broad word - and you can probably thank Madden for creating the term. Although others use "BS" and that's even simpler so perhaps we should start "The BS AI thread." Just joking.

With clutch eliminated from being the cause of BS, I'm going to take a better look at confidence. I think for my next test I'm going to track pitching performace when individual pitch confidence meters are at varying strengths. I'll probably use a scale of 1-5 with 1 being poor confidence, 2 medium low, 3 medium, 4 medium high and 5 high confidence. I want to see how opponent batting averages stack up with each point of the scale. I also want to track performance when I only have 2 good pitches to work with as compared to having 5 pitches with good confidence. Then there's overall confidence and I'll have to find a way to track that as well.

Still, even when confidence is high I've noticed weird things happen. Hopefully though with the right combination of slider adjustments along with a better understanding of how confidence effects the game perhaps I can find a happy medium to keep the BS at a minimum. I should re-iterate that I love this great game and it's so friggin' addicting I can't put it down even with it's flaws. It's been a long time since I've been able to say that.

I'll be quiet for awhile though, I've got vacation and real life crap to deal with in May.

[swaldo]

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Ok, i have read through this entire thread an am having a hard time deciding what to belive. I have expirienced all kinds of games from high scoring games to pitchers dials, but most all of my games remain close. So in short this is what I'm wondering; whether the option is flawed or not, does the game play more fairly with the comeback option on or off? Thanks in advance to all who reply as this is the one option keeping me from buying in to my franchise.

I couldn't find a difference in All Star - I experienced the comeback issue using both ON and OFF. Basically, the only happy comeback ON players are on Legend with their own custom adjusted sliders. Several (including myself) have tested lower levels and the comeback option appears to work as stated. Then there are several folks who think the legend CB ON players are crazy, so I'd say try a few games on legend to see if it works for you.

[swaldo]

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Every since I've downloaded the patch the cpu comeback on option has been working the way it was supposed to. I think I'm going to try the game with it off. I've had the computer come back on me in the last 3 games and in every game the get a 1 or 2 run lead and then it goes back to normal. I mean wth is up with this game, the last two years this game was nothing like this.

i have to agree with this...but with OFF im still seen some weird stuff,
for some reason my game is not playing well after i got the pacth...im deleting it tonight.

Oh boy, here we goI think there might be some posters out there chomping at the bit right now.

[brunnoce]

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yeh i know what u saying swaldo...
just so i dont start seconf guessing it, im gonna make sure i keep away from the pacth