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  • Pared
    Legen - WAIT FOR IT
    • Feb 2003
    • 39337

    #706
    Re: MLB '10: The Show - Franchise Issues Update

    Originally posted by Padgoi
    If people want to express their disappointment (in a mature way), let them.
    And they've been able to. No one has said otherwise.

    No one likes to point out the many comments littered with disappointment that go untouched or responded to in the forums, just the ones that get mentioned. Just like this discussion.

    Everyone is all for fair and balanced discussion. Those are the comments I'm referring to.
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    • Abnormal101
      Rookie
      • Jan 2008
      • 120

      #707
      Re: MLB '10: The Show - Franchise Issues Update

      Originally posted by x1Blumpkin1x
      Cool, thanks. A well deserved break, the game is fantastic. I am still enjoying messing about in franchise even with the existing issues, and the gameplay/presentation is such a big improvement.
      I may sound like a d-bag when i say this but i dont understand how you take a break when you have an unfinished product. To me thats kind of rediculous regardless of whether you had your break planned before hand. I can't think of a profession in which a project or product is put out with errors but yet isn't addressed right away or given its full attention because the team wants to take a break. Dont get me wrong they're on these forums seeing whats wrong and jotting it down but if they're taking a break, regardless of whether they've been working for months straight, i just dont see how you step aside after you've released the product, knowing full well it had its faults.

      It would be a completely different situation if the bugs are just in the commentary and dont hinder a gameplay mode. But it sucks that you can't start a franchise until a patch is released because if you start it now, you may have to restart it once the patch is released in order for it to take affect. I've said it once and i'll say it again, would've been better if they didnt rush the release and just held it back until early April to make sure the bugs are fixed. You dont test a product for bugs by putting it out in the public and looking at forums, you test a product behind the scenes. The forums should be used for minor bugs and suggestions, not for some of the issues that are currently out there.

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      • Pared
        Legen - WAIT FOR IT
        • Feb 2003
        • 39337

        #708
        Re: MLB '10: The Show - Franchise Issues Update

        Case in point.
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        • astros1day
          Rookie
          • Mar 2010
          • 2

          #709
          I don't know where to report problems to, so i figured i would just try this forum first. During game play, and i'm on defense, a fly ball will be hit and my guy is ready to catch it. Then the ball will drop to the ground and keep going. Then about 3-4 seconds later it's in his hands. Like he caught it to begin with. All the while the runner(s) keep trucking around the pads. Anyone else experience this. It's not all the time. I have played about 23 games and it's happened twice.

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          • Abnormal101
            Rookie
            • Jan 2008
            • 120

            #710
            Re: MLB '10: The Show - Franchise Issues Update

            Originally posted by Pared
            Case in point.
            Don't really see how my comment isn't fair if that where you're getting at. Its a realistic comment, when's the last time you've seen a group involved in a project release it with faults that cripple it and its use for the public.

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            • GoBucs09
              Pro
              • Feb 2009
              • 629

              #711
              Re: MLB '10: The Show - Franchise Issues Update

              Originally posted by Abnormal101
              I may sound like a d-bag when i say this but i dont understand how you take a break when you have an unfinished product. To me thats kind of rediculous regardless of whether you had your break planned before hand. I can't think of a profession in which a project or product is put out with errors but yet isn't addressed right away or given its full attention because the team wants to take a break. Dont get me wrong they're on these forums seeing whats wrong and jotting it down but if they're taking a break, regardless of whether they've been working for months straight, i just dont see how you step aside after you've released the product, knowing full well it had its faults.

              It would be a completely different situation if the bugs are just in the commentary and dont hinder a gameplay mode. But it sucks that you can't start a franchise until a patch is released because if you start it now, you may have to restart it once the patch is released in order for it to take affect. I've said it once and i'll say it again, would've been better if they didnt rush the release and just held it back until early April to make sure the bugs are fixed. You dont test a product for bugs by putting it out in the public and looking at forums, you test a product behind the scenes. The forums should be used for minor bugs and suggestions, not for some of the issues that are currently out there.

              I don't think the working for months without a break is the problem, it's working 80+ hours a week for months without a break that is the problem. Yeah they still do deserve a break because they worked hard and put out a great product that has some unfortunate bugs.

              IMO the problem may be that they tried to do too much and didn't put enough focus on the core of the game. The foundation has to be Franchise / RTTS and actual gameplay. Everything else is cosmetic and just puts your product above the rest. While actual gameplay is fantastic the rest of the foundation is a little shaky.

              The Money Pit comes to mind but that would be really unfair.
              "I am more valuable to my team hitting .330 than swinging for home runs." - Roberto Clemente

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              • GoBucs09
                Pro
                • Feb 2009
                • 629

                #712
                Re: MLB '10: The Show - Franchise Issues Update

                Originally posted by Abnormal101
                Don't really see how my comment isn't fair if that where you're getting at. Its a realistic comment, when's the last time you've seen a group involved in a project release it with faults that cripple it and its use for the public.
                Toyota?
                "I am more valuable to my team hitting .330 than swinging for home runs." - Roberto Clemente

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                • Abnormal101
                  Rookie
                  • Jan 2008
                  • 120

                  #713
                  Re: MLB '10: The Show - Franchise Issues Update

                  Originally posted by GoBucs09
                  Toyota?
                  ha ha thats a good example, didnt think of that one.

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                  • Pared
                    Legen - WAIT FOR IT
                    • Feb 2003
                    • 39337

                    #714
                    Re: MLB '10: The Show - Franchise Issues Update

                    Originally posted by Abnormal101
                    ...when's the last time you've seen a group involved in a project release it with faults that cripple it and its use for the public.
                    Just about any major sports game in the past few years.

                    -MLB 2K9 - basically unplayable, was left unpatched.
                    -Madden '09 (or was it '08) - HOF players in a present day franchise and broken fatigue
                    -NCAA Basketball '10 - Too many to list
                    -NBA 2K10 - Online leagues were useless until the latest patch, current status has CPU big men shooting 3's via simulations.

                    ...and that's just off the top of my head. Notice they are all sports games, which have a short development cycle.

                    These are people working on these games, not robots. I'd like to see you work endless hours and not be expected to take any time off. Sound like fun?

                    Admittedly, I'm a bit more conscious about this than the next guy. But if you're here at OS, you should learn about the industry and post with such knowledge.

                    I mean, who cares there was a patch release already waiting near release day. Who cares they posted an update less than 24 hours after release day saying they know about the issues listed in the first post. Who cares that they asked for our direct input on potentials to fix a mistake and released a roster within a few day. Who cares, really? Why aren't they still sitting at their cubicles, posting hour by hour updates via Twitter, slaving away so I can make sure Matt Kemp does not become a lead off hitter because I don't want to use a workaround, something most sports gamers have had to do for years?

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                    • GoBucs09
                      Pro
                      • Feb 2009
                      • 629

                      #715
                      Re: MLB '10: The Show - Franchise Issues Update

                      Originally posted by Pared
                      I mean, who cares there was a patch release already waiting near release day. Who cares they posted an update less than 24 hours after release day saying they know about the issues listed in the first post. Who cares that they asked for our direct input on potentials to fix a mistake and released a roster within a few day. Who cares, really? Why aren't they still sitting at their cubicles, posting hour by hour updates via Twitter, slaving away so I can make sure Matt Kemp does not become a lead off hitter because I don't want to use a workaround, something most sports gamers have had to do for years?

                      I care damn it! I'm a doctor, not a software developer damn it Pared!
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                      • Padgoi
                        Banned
                        • Oct 2008
                        • 1873

                        #716
                        Re: MLB '10: The Show - Franchise Issues Update

                        Originally posted by Pared
                        Just about any major sports game in the past few years.

                        -MLB 2K9 - basically unplayable, was left unpatched.
                        -Madden '09 (or was it '08) - HOF players in a present day franchise and broken fatigue
                        -NCAA Basketball '10 - Too many to list
                        -NBA 2K10 - Online leagues were useless until the latest patch, current status has CPU big men shooting 3's via simulations.

                        ...and that's just off the top of my head. Notice they are all sports games, which have a short development cycle.

                        These are people working on these games, not robots. I'd like to see you work endless hours and not be expected to take any time off. Sound like fun?

                        Admittedly, I'm a bit more conscious about this than the next guy. But if you're here at OS, you should learn about the industry and post with such knowledge.

                        I mean, who cares there was a patch release already waiting near release day. Who cares they posted an update less than 24 hours after release day saying they know about the issues listed in the first post. Who cares that they asked for our direct input on potentials to fix a mistake and released a roster within a few day. Who cares, really? Why aren't they still sitting at their cubicles, posting hour by hour updates via Twitter, slaving away so I can make sure Matt Kemp does not become a lead off hitter because I don't want to use a workaround, something most sports gamers have had to do for years?

                        See, this is all I want people to realize.

                        J/K, that was hilarious actually.

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                        • jemens
                          Banned
                          • Oct 2009
                          • 270

                          #717
                          Re: MLB '10: The Show - Franchise Issues Update

                          Playing a franchise with the Pirates with Trades=Manual.

                          We were in June, saw in emails that Mariners trades Cliff Lee to Washington. I then did a trade with Washington ( two minor leaguers each side, nothing major). After that, when going back to schedule to play another game, I've realized I've got Cliff Lee for minor prospects.

                          I'm not saying that to complain but maybe to give a little clue to devs on what situation this happened.

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                          Chris

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                          • GoBucs09
                            Pro
                            • Feb 2009
                            • 629

                            #718
                            Re: MLB '10: The Show - Franchise Issues Update

                            Actually, the more and more I think about it, The Money Pit totally relates to this game.

                            It's a gorgeous looking house, it's easily the best looking house on the market. Oh crap the staircase was destroyed so now you can't access the 2nd floor (franchise bugs) but you can use a ladder (workaround). There's a hole in the floor under the carpet on the 2nd level (Tropicana freeze) which isn't so bad until you stand over it (press select button). The tub fell through the ceiling and the wiring short circuited so now you don't have light or water (potential ratings). But a nice guy came by to take a look at the problems (roster update) and now we're just waiting for construction to start to fix it all up (patch).

                            Don't worry though it has a happy ending.
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                            • VitaminKG21
                              Pro
                              • Jan 2006
                              • 531

                              #719
                              Re: MLB '10: The Show - Franchise Issues Update

                              This is a serious question.

                              Would anybody care if they released this game a month later, say right around opening day? And to that end, for those with knowledge (Pared, etc.), would an extra month make a difference in terms of catching the type of semi-game-destroying bugs and issues that are present here?

                              I love this game, but I'm going to get sick of playing exhibition games really soon. Thankfully I have FIFA Ultimate Team
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                              • tabarnes19_SDS
                                Game Designer
                                • Feb 2003
                                • 3084

                                #720
                                Re: MLB '10: The Show - Franchise Issues Update

                                Originally posted by VitaminKG21
                                This is a serious question.

                                Would anybody care if they released this game a month later, say right around opening day? And to that end, for those with knowledge (Pared, etc.), would an extra month make a difference in terms of catching the type of semi-game-destroying bugs and issues that are present here?

                                I love this game, but I'm going to get sick of playing exhibition games really soon. Thankfully I have FIFA Ultimate Team
                                They would pick up an extra month only in the first year.

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