RTTS Pitching Velocity Problem (Solved)

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  • Garcia
    Rookie
    • Jul 2003
    • 78

    #16
    Re: Trying to get to the bottom of the RTTS pitching

    Actually, in real life, a change (i.e., circle, palmball or splitty) is the last pitch that most pitchers develop since what gets them noticed in HS and college is their arm. So although the developers probably weren't meaning for it to happen this way, it follows a real life pitchers progression better than having all of those pitches to begin with.

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    • nuckles2k2
      MVP
      • Sep 2006
      • 1922

      #17
      Re: Trying to get to the bottom of the RTTS pitching

      Hopefully this helps folks who've been having problems. And maybe the Devs can shed some light on the changeup affecting your velocity if it's one of your first three pitches?

      I don't know if they intended to do it, or if that's a glitch. But if you add a changeup later you'll be fine.

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      • nuckles2k2
        MVP
        • Sep 2006
        • 1922

        #18
        Re: Trying to get to the bottom of the RTTS pitching

        Originally posted by Garcia
        Actually, in real life, a change (i.e., circle, palmball or splitty) is the last pitch that most pitchers develop since what gets them noticed in HS and college is their arm. So although the developers probably weren't meaning for it to happen this way, it follows a real life pitchers progression better than having all of those pitches to begin with.
        It's great to see that someone else realizes this. I've always added a changeup once I got to the majors in RTTS since '08. That's why I didn't run into this particular problem when it was first being reported.

        But hey, I said I'll try to help out anyway.

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        • dalger21
          #realtalk
          • Feb 2010
          • 1932

          #19
          Re: Trying to get to the bottom of the RTTS pitching

          I remember reading in The Show '08 that pitching mechanics played a role in velocity. I used Tom Glavine pitching stance that year and I never got my fastball above 97 even though everything was maxed out. I later created a new RttS player because you couldn't go back and change the motion once you created your player, and used Cole Hamels stance and was able to get the 4sb up to 101 often on maxed stats.
          est 1978

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          • Chizzypoof
            MVP
            • Dec 2004
            • 1651

            #20
            Re: Trying to get to the bottom of the RTTS pitching

            Good job guys.

            Submit the fix to the stickied work around thread.

            If you need me to test a third pitcher let me know. I haven't created a RTTS pitcher in MLB'10 so I have no emotional investment. Maybe even show the difference with having a Changeup in your initial pitches.

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            • Brandon_c993
              MVP
              • Mar 2009
              • 1228

              #21
              Re: Trying to get to the bottom of the RTTS pitching

              Ok here are my results(sorry it took so long game went into extra innings)

              4SFB velocity: 62
              RFB velocity: 59
              SCV velocity: 52

              4SFB scouting report: 91 MPH
              RFB scouting report: 89 MPH
              SCV scouting report 76 MPH

              4SFB actual speed: 89-91 MPH
              RFB actual speed: 89-90 MPH
              SCV actual speed 71-73 MPH

              So this seems to be the fix for the 4SFB velocity problem although as you see my sweeping curve was not hitting its scout velocity...
              PSN:GOLDENxEYE

              Currently Playing: Mortal Kombat & Portal 2

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              • Brandon_c993
                MVP
                • Mar 2009
                • 1228

                #22
                Re: Trying to get to the bottom of the RTTS pitching

                Originally posted by Chizzypoof
                Good job guys.

                Submit the fix to the stickied work around thread.

                If you need me to test a third pitcher let me know. I haven't created a RTTS pitcher in MLB'10 so I have no emotional investment. Maybe even show the difference with having a Changeup in your initial pitches.
                Im getting ready to do this next, I'll have the results shortly
                PSN:GOLDENxEYE

                Currently Playing: Mortal Kombat & Portal 2

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                • Brandon_c993
                  MVP
                  • Mar 2009
                  • 1228

                  #23
                  Re: Trying to get to the bottom of the RTTS pitching

                  OK here are my results for a pitcher with and without a changeup as one of your 3 initial pitches.

                  WITHOUT THE CHANGEUP

                  4SFB velocity: 62
                  RFB velocity: 59
                  SCV velocity: 52

                  4SFB scouting report: 91 MPH
                  RFB scouting report: 89 MPH
                  SCV scouting report 76 MPH

                  4SFB actual speed: 89-91 MPH
                  RFB actual speed: 89-90 MPH
                  SCV actual speed 71-73 MPH

                  WITH THE CHANGEUP

                  4SFB velocity: 64
                  CH velocity: 56
                  2SFB velocity: 56

                  4SFB scouting report: 92 MPH
                  CH scouting report: 77 MPH
                  2SFB scouting report 88 MPH

                  4SFB actual speed: 88-90 MPH
                  CH actual speed: 75-77 MPH
                  2SFB actual speed 86 MPH

                  So it cetainly seems to be the changeup that is causing this problem.
                  PSN:GOLDENxEYE

                  Currently Playing: Mortal Kombat & Portal 2

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                  • skidknee
                    Rookie
                    • Mar 2010
                    • 2

                    #24
                    Re: Trying to get to the bottom of the RTTS pitching

                    Good job on the testing guys! It would be great if this issue would be formally addressed, however, since this workaround limits the playing styles we can use while creating a RTTS pitcher.

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                    • Brandon_c993
                      MVP
                      • Mar 2009
                      • 1228

                      #25
                      Re: Trying to get to the bottom of the RTTS pitching

                      Boy do I regret adding the chageup as a 4th pitch...even after I removed it and increased the velocity of all my pitches to 64,61,62 my 4SFB was only going 88-90 it should be at 91-93....So it looks like adding a changeup at all with hinder your pitch speed....
                      PSN:GOLDENxEYE

                      Currently Playing: Mortal Kombat & Portal 2

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                      • nuckles2k2
                        MVP
                        • Sep 2006
                        • 1922

                        #26
                        Re: Trying to get to the bottom of the RTTS pitching

                        Thanks for helping out with the testing Brandon (i was getting kind of tired of taking the pics, uploading them, etc. lol)

                        We need to get this thread closed and stickied so people can see what the problem is and how they can avoid it.

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                        • Brandon_c993
                          MVP
                          • Mar 2009
                          • 1228

                          #27
                          Re: Trying to get to the bottom of the RTTS pitching

                          Originally posted by nuckles2k2
                          Thanks for helping out with the testing Brandon (i was getting kind of tired of taking the pics, uploading them, etc. lol)

                          We need to get this thread closed and stickied so people can see what the problem is and how they can avoid it.
                          Ya I'll see if I can get a mod to sticky it
                          PSN:GOLDENxEYE

                          Currently Playing: Mortal Kombat & Portal 2

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                          • JRizzel
                            Banned
                            • Mar 2010
                            • 72

                            #28
                            Re: Trying to get to the bottom of the RTTS pitching

                            Not trying to add heat to the fire but, my pitch velocities were relativity close before testing and my first three pitches were 4SFB, Slider, Curveball... no change up.... and saw 4SFB speed problems...

                            Perhaps Curveball could be added to this testing...

                            Just my $0.02

                            Would also love to see Circle change testing compared to regular Change up...

                            I have had speed problems and never have had a regular Change up...

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                            • Brandon_c993
                              MVP
                              • Mar 2009
                              • 1228

                              #29
                              Re: Trying to get to the bottom of the RTTS pitching

                              Originally posted by JRizzel
                              Not trying to add heat to the fire but, my pitch velocities were relativity close before testing and my first three pitches were 4SFB, Slider, Curveball... no change up.... and saw 4SFB speed problems...

                              Perhaps Curveball could be added to this testing...

                              Just my $0.02

                              Would also love to see Circle change testing compared to regular Change up...
                              Ya I'll def get some more tests in later on but right now I just wanna play with my Cubbies
                              PSN:GOLDENxEYE

                              Currently Playing: Mortal Kombat & Portal 2

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                              • nuckles2k2
                                MVP
                                • Sep 2006
                                • 1922

                                #30
                                Re: Trying to get to the bottom of the RTTS pitching

                                Originally posted by JRizzel
                                Not trying to add heat to the fire but, my pitch velocities were relativity close before testing and my first three pitches were 4SFB, Slider, Curveball... no change up.... and saw 4SFB speed problems...

                                Perhaps Curveball could be added to this testing...

                                Just my $0.02

                                Would also love to see Circle change testing compared to regular Change up...

                                I have had speed problems and never have had a regular Change up...
                                You said in this thread your numbers were close, but this is what you posted in the other thread.

                                Originally posted by JRizzel
                                So, there is no problem... we just have to make the exact same pitcher?

                                That makes sense...

                                my RTTS already has 5 pitches...

                                Ok... I'll break it down as you are not seeming to understand the order of events...

                                1.) Started a pitcher... 4SFB, Slider, Curveball...
                                2.) Got my 4SFB Vel to 75ish, Slider 50ish, Curveball 40ish, saw the scouting report wasnt matching my actual 4SFB, report 94-97, I was 87-88...
                                My pitcher had 77, 76, and 79. My test guy had 61, 59, 60.

                                Brandon's test guy was 62, 59, and 52.

                                How is 75ish, 50ish, and 40ish close? There's a 35 point difference between 75 and 40....

                                The largest difference for me was 3, the largest difference for Brandon's test guy was 10, and your largest difference is 35ish....your velocities weren't close. Do you get it now? This is what I've been telling you the entire time.

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