**All Trades Discussion Thread**

[ltw0303cavs]

Re: If you were the GM of the Giants, would you make this trade?

Problem you will have is your payroll, you still have Rowand and Zito on the books and you will have to sign Lincecum long term eventually, i would stand pat, you have two good young OF's in your system, in Kieschniek and Neal, plus if Lincecum goes and Bumgarner doesnt pan out you will need trade chips for pitching.

[mjh91]

Re: If you were the GM of the Giants, would you make this trade?

I'd rather have Buster Posey than Carl Crawford. Crawford is on the wrong side of 30 and is bound to slow down soon. Then you have Buster Posey on the other hand, who is young, under team control, and is considered as the best prospect as his position. Maybe if the Rays throw in Tim Beckham I'd do it...but the Giants aren't gaining much by trading away Posey.

[cardsleadtheway]

Re: Fair Trades or Not?

Two new trades:

6-2 Twins trade CF Aaron Hicks to the Yankees for 1B Juan Miranda and SP A.J. Burnett

6-3 Tigers trade SP Max Scherzer and C Alex Avila to the Angels for SP Joe Saunders, C Mike Napoli and LF Hideki Matsui

I got nothing on the first one. Burnett is signed for 4 more years on this game, and while the yankees are 3rd and slipping, it is still a bit too early to cut their losses IMO, but I am not their GM. Hicks is an A potential, and yankees are a little short on young players these days. Perhaps that fits into the logic somehow. It seems that the Yankees dump Burnett in every test run I did prior to starting this franchise.

The second trade makes a lot of sense to me, as the Angels are in last place and 15 games back of me (a mere 5 games over .500), while the tigers are trying to make a run against the twins. I am really glad that I won't have to face Saunders or Matsui as often this season though.

[dragon4ever]

Re: If you were the GM of the Giants, would you make this trade?

I'm really tempted to accept this trade. I'm currently in 1st place in my division by 1.5 games ahead of the Dodgers. My overall record is 31-20. If it weren't for my starting pitchers (my team ERA is in the low 4's), our record would be terrible. I checked the standings in the AL East and the Rays are also 1st in their division with a 32-19 overall record. Carl Crawford is currently batting:

.240 | 8 HR's | 25 RBI's | 15 SB

Not spectacular by any means, so maybe that's why the Rays want to trade him? Either that or they want to dump his salary and get fair value in return.

[PsychoBulk]

Re: If you were the GM of the Giants, would you make this trade?

Id take it.

Posey is a great prospect but the pitching of the Giants allows them to compete now, and thats what Crawford brings, proven quality here and now, whereas Posey may be great, or may be average, but thats all to be proven.

Id take a gamble and press the trigger personally.

[cardsleadtheway]

Re: If you were the GM of the Giants, would you make this trade?

I would only take the trade if I had a really good shot at winning or I had the ability to re-sign him. Crawford is a play maker that can hit, run, and field. Put him in Giants park and you will see a lot of triples and maybe even a few inside the parks. He is also left handed, which is perfect for that wall out there. I am sure he will be a type A free agent, which will give you an additional 2 draft picks if you don't re-sign so not really that much of a gamble.

[Reaman]

Re: If you were the GM of the Giants, would you make this trade?

I would only take the trade if I had a really good shot at winning or I had the ability to re-sign him. Crawford is a play maker that can hit, run, and field. Put him in Giants park and you will see a lot of triples and maybe even a few inside the parks. He is also left handed, which is perfect for that wall out there. I am sure he will be a type A free agent, which will give you an additional 2 draft picks if you don't re-sign so not really that much of a gamble.

Id take it.

Posey is a great prospect but the pitching of the Giants allows them to compete now, and thats what Crawford brings, proven quality here and now, whereas Posey may be great, or may be average, but thats all to be proven.

Id take a gamble and press the trigger personally.

Enough said by the both of these guys. I agree, make the trade!

[psfan3]

Re: If you were the GM of the Giants, would you make this trade?

I'd rather have Buster Posey than Carl Crawford. Crawford is on the wrong side of 30 and is bound to slow down soon. .

How can he be on the wrong side of 30 of he hasn't even hit 30 years old yet?

[jdmorgan3]

Re: If you were the GM of the Giants, would you make this trade?

I'd personally decline the trade. I'm playing a chise as the Giants and Molina is injured and Posey is hitting .237, 4HR and 15 RBI in like 15 games. Behind him the C prospects are pretty weak, and the current OF isn't that poor. Plus with guys like Velez, Burriss and Fred Lewis (if you didn't trade him to Jays) then OF is packed with speed.

Crawford may not be re-signed in off-season so if you are still keen on signing him he may be available. Seems more like a deadline deal. If you start to lose a few its a definate no, but injuries/performance will be the main determinate. Hold on to Posey as long as possible.

[cardsleadtheway]

Re: Fair Trades or Not?

I just got offered a trade by the Yankees. Andy Petite for Duchscherer and Joey Devine. It took me all of .5 seconds to say no to that one. I want to move Duke, but certainly not for someone like Petite. And knowing the CPU, Duke would end up being an ace for the Yankees and strike me out 17 times next time I faced him. Besides that, Devine is a great reliever for me and rated pretty high. Are they smoking crack or what here?

[Maynard]

Re: Fair Trades or Not?

Two new trades:

6-2 Twins trade CF Aaron Hicks to the Yankees for 1B Juan Miranda and SP A.J. Burnett

6-3 Tigers trade SP Max Scherzer and C Alex Avila to the Angels for SP Joe Saunders, C Mike Napoli and LF Hideki Matsui

I got nothing on the first one. Burnett is signed for 4 more years on this game, and while the yankees are 3rd and slipping, it is still a bit too early to cut their losses IMO, but I am not their GM. Hicks is an A potential, and yankees are a little short on young players these days. Perhaps that fits into the logic somehow. It seems that the Yankees dump Burnett in every test run I did prior to starting this franchise.

The second trade makes a lot of sense to me, as the Angels are in last place and 15 games back of me (a mere 5 games over .500), while the tigers are trying to make a run against the twins. I am really glad that I won't have to face Saunders or Matsui as often this season though.

u think thats a fair trade? Napoli is coming into his prime so why would they trade him for backup catcher like Avila? Then u have Scherzer, a 3 or 4 starter at best for Saunders who is a excellent LHP and someone who they can use for their future. On top of that they are throwing in Matsui for nothing in return.

seems to me that the Angels are giving up way more then the Tigers and not even getting anything equal in return. Even if the Angels traded these players they would want prospects in return to build for the future, not scrubs.

[cardsleadtheway]

Re: Fair Trades or Not?

u think thats a fair trade? Napoli is coming into his prime so why would they trade him for backup catcher like Avila? Then u have Scherzer, a 3 or 4 starter at best for Saunders who is a excellent LHP and someone who they can use for their future. On top of that they are throwing in Matsui for nothing in return.

seems to me that the Angels are giving up way more then the Tigers and not even getting anything equal in return. Even if the Angels traded these players they would want prospects in return to build for the future, not scrubs.

I am sure they would like to get more than that. That isn't how it usually goes with baseball.

As for your take on the Angels, well I will have to go ahead and disagree with you since I get to see a lot of their games against the A's. Saunders is and has been a 3-4 guy at best his whole career. He had two decent seasons in the win columns, but you don't get 16 wins with a 4.60 era unless you play for a team that puts up good numbers. Many will say that Scherzer has a higher ceiling, but they say that about every young player these days. Mathis is better than Napoli, so why not move him. And Matsui is just a salary drain if you aren't competing, which in my franchise the Angels aren't. So the Angels get a young pitcher, a backup catcher, and they dump a huge amount of salary. Not a terrible trade. Could they have gotten more? Perhaps. But who knows. The A's have made a lot of trade dumps the last few years and haven't really gotten that much in return.

Not that I am trying to persuade you here. You have already made up your mind that the logic sucks on this game. From what I have seen so far, I don't think it does. I think it is not as good as last year's, which I played on the PS2, but with adding the 3 for 1 trade options, there are bound to be some kinks. Now if I start seeing some really off the wall trades in the next month, I may jump ship to your side, but I just don't see it as that bad.....yet.

[Maynard]

Re: Fair Trades or Not?

its not that its a bad trade, i just dont think its a fair trade. If the angels got 1 more a potential prospect, or if Matsui wasnt included then i would think it was fair and put it thru

u could say the 2 pitchers and catchers cancel each other out. I mean 2 younger guys for 2 verts to help the tigers down the stretch...ok, i can see that. But to get nothing for a slugger like Matsui just seems unfair to me

i am curious though, which team offered that trade

[timmuh1515]

Re: Fair Trades or Not?

can you do this if you only control one team in Franchise?

Yes...or at least you could last year and i see no reason it wouldn't work this year.

You have to get involved as one of the teams. Basically...if you want Price and Brown to go back to the Rays and Phillies respectively...

Trade your guy (Joe Blow) straight up for Price (Phillies)
Trade Price for Brown (Rays)
Trade Brown for Joe Blow (Phillies)

It isn't ideal...but it works

[cardsleadtheway]

Re: Fair Trades or Not?

its not that its a bad trade, i just dont think its a fair trade. If the angels got 1 more a potential prospect, or if Matsui wasnt included then i would think it was fair and put it thru

u could say the 2 pitchers and catchers cancel each other out. I mean 2 younger guys for 2 verts to help the tigers down the stretch...ok, i can see that. But to get nothing for a slugger like Matsui just seems unfair to me

i am curious though, which team offered that trade

I get you, it isn't really a fair trade, but a trade that makes sense if you want to dump salary and are not contending. It would have been better for the Angels to get a little more out of it, but that is how it goes sometimes. The A's have a history of selling off players at the break and getting very little from it other than a salary dump or in many cases an ego dump.

I have no idea which team proposed the trade. I am playing 1 team franchise and don't get to see the trade until after it happens. I understand the appeal of playing mlb commissioner when it comes to trades, but for me I just love the surprise factor. I like being able to say "what a moron for trading away that player" or, "crap the Angels just got better and now I have to face said player, x amount of times this year." I really don't care what teams do in regards to trades, just as long as my team isn't trading away players without my permission (pre-patch issue).