**All Trades Discussion Thread** 2011 Edition

[MarinersVsDodgers]

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THe thing is the jays have a good SS in Escobar and good fielders. What they need is a 3rd baseman maybe a pitcher and some releavers. Now if you were the jays would you take that deal looking at your roster? If you can honestly say yes you would take that deal then you are clean and clear to take it I would say. But based on what your getting to what the Jays are getting you are losing your DH for worse DH. I would do one of your tripple A B releavers for just Scott tho

I still have Jack Cust though. I had Bradley in left which would go to Rivera.

[Cod]

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Viewing the completed transactions last night in my Nats franchise and I saw that the Giants sent Tim Lincecum to the Phillies for Roy Oswalt, Dominic Brown, and some nobody from AA. Should make for interesting division games now...

[Cod]

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THe thing is the jays have a good SS in Escobar and good fielders. What they need is a 3rd baseman maybe a pitcher and some releavers. Now if you were the jays would you take that deal looking at your roster? If you can honestly say yes you would take that deal then you are clean and clear to take it I would say. But based on what your getting to what the Jays are getting you are losing your DH for worse DH. I would do one of your tripple A B releavers for just Scott tho

Why do the Jays need a third basemen? They have Brett Lawrie in the minors, who is just waiting for the call-up. So far this year for the 51s, after 19 games, Lawrie is batting .417 (1.175 OPS) with 4 HRs and 12 RBIs. And after looking at my Baseball America Propsect Guide, they have him rated as the #40 prospect in all of baseball. I guess this is a long winded way of saying the Jays do not need a new guy at third.

In my opinion, the Jays need someone to anchor the backend of their rotation or a CF. The first three in the rotation are solid, but after that, you're picking at random over who should start. As for CF, Davis is getting old (31) and doesn't mark as a good lead-off guy in my opinion. In fact, the Jays speed overall is pathetic (outside of Posednik).

[cardsleadtheway]

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I don't understand how people don't understand this yet. The game has no concept of who Bryce Harper is since Bryce Harper is someone you created. They just seem him as an A potential player who is basically a bargaining chip in a trade. They don't know he is #1 draft ultra prospect. To the game Harper is a collection of ratings with a name.

People complaining because Bryce Harper is being traded really don't have a legit complaint.

Does anyone know if Harper starts on the 40 man roster in the OS set? Perhaps if he is on the 40 man, or perhaps if he is changed to LF, then the logic engine wouldn't be so quick to deal him away.

THe thing is the jays have a good SS in Escobar and good fielders. What they need is a 3rd baseman maybe a pitcher and some releavers. Now if you were the jays would you take that deal looking at your roster? If you can honestly say yes you would take that deal then you are clean and clear to take it I would say. But based on what your getting to what the Jays are getting you are losing your DH for worse DH. I would do one of your tripple A B releavers for just Scott tho

If you are not afraid of going old, how about Vald? He can play RF and mostly DH

As for CF, Davis is getting old (31) and doesn't mark as a good lead-off guy in my opinion. In fact, the Jays speed overall is pathetic (outside of Posednik).

You could do a lot worse than Davis as a lead off man. The guy is fast, but more importantly, he knows how to steal bases. I watched a lot of games his first years in Oakland where he would only come in to pinch run and then play outfield for Jack Cust. Everyone in the stadium knew he was going to steal and he would indeed steal. Playing CF is another story. Being fast is not the same thing as being a good defender. I wish people would realize that.

[Sacrafice]

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I moved Harper to LF to see if he still get's moved. I hope not because if he does get traded it might as well be to my team where they can get something for him. It's totally because they have Werth locked up for 7 years and a big contract in the game. In the OSFM Spring Training set I have he is on the 40 man and is on the big league team festering on the bench and thier LFer blows. He is also near the best player already ratings wise and is only going to go up for the next 12 in game years.

[Cod]

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You could do a lot worse than Davis as a lead off man. The guy is fast, but more importantly, he knows how to steal bases. I watched a lot of games his first years in Oakland where he would only come in to pinch run and then play outfield for Jack Cust. Everyone in the stadium knew he was going to steal and he would indeed steal. Playing CF is another story. Being fast is not the same thing as being a good defender. I wish people would realize that.

I never said Davis wasn't good enough. He is a decent lead-off man with speed and some pop; however, he is one of the "holes" in the lineup as a whole. He's 31-years old and there's only one way to go from there.

As for being a good defender, I agree with you. Fast has nothing to do with being a good defender (see Hanley Ramirez). The Jays have a great fielding team, but face it, they do not have a fast team (outside of Davis and maybe Hill).

[cardsleadtheway]

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Speaking of speed, I should get some for my team, especially late inning runners. Sometimes the bases can get pretty clogged down between Pena, Dunn, Carter, and Quentin, all of which are really slow. I was contemplating trying to get Coco back, but he signed with the Yankees and they want way more than I am willing to give up. Any other team, sure, but I refuse to make the Yankees a better team. I have Clayton Richard pitching in AAA, which might get the deal done, but that would mean giving them a possible decent pitcher. No thanks. And they aren't stupid enough to take Ryan Church off my hands.

[Cod]

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Speaking of speed, I should get some for my team, especially late inning runners. Sometimes the bases can get pretty clogged down between Pena, Dunn, Carter, and Quentin, all of which are really slow. I was contemplating trying to get Coco back, but he signed with the Yankees and they want way more than I am willing to give up. Any other team, sure, but I refuse to make the Yankees a better team. I have Clayton Richard pitching in AAA, which might get the deal done, but that would mean giving them a possible decent pitcher. No thanks. And they aren't stupid enough to take Ryan Church off my hands.

You could always go after a guy like Nyjer Morgan. As much as I detest the guy, he can fly on the base paths.

[np1511]

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I have a franchise with the Pirates, they just claimed Xavier Paul off the dodgers, I tired a bunch of trades to try to get him, without giving up too much for a wavier claim, but they decline everything. anyone do this or any idea of what they will accept?? Thanks

[stlchamp10]

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Let's see what you guys think of this deal... Number of things are involved here. I use the Cardinals...

I have been wanting to get rid of Pujols and start rebuilding but not at the point where it takes a few years to win. I wanna rebuild to where I can still win now. Only reason I'm getting rid of Pujols is because I can save money and get lots of talent to make a very competitive team and I don't wanna pay a 30+ year old guy 30 mil a year.

So here is a deal that could be had... Albert Pujols and Jaime Garcia to Seattle for Felix Hernandez, Brandon League, and Justin Smoak.

Then I have a 19 year old second baseman prospect I can trade straight up for Max Scherzer to replace Garcia.

So the rotation would look like this:

Adam Wainwright
Felix Hernandez
Chris Carpenter
Max Scherzer
Kyle Lohse

Or should I keep Pujols and build around him? I could still get Scherzer but I would have to get a closer else where (because I'm not keeping Franklin) and some infield help (Infield help will be getting worked on anyway, if I trade Pujols or not).

Rotation would look like this if I kept Pujols:

Adam Wainwright
Chris Carpenter
Jaime Garcia
Max Scherzer
Kyle Lohse

What do you like better?

[cardsleadtheway]

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Let's see what you guys think of this deal... Number of things are involved here. I use the Cardinals...

I have been wanting to get rid of Pujols and start rebuilding but not at the point where it takes a few years to win. I wanna rebuild to where I can still win now. Only reason I'm getting rid of Pujols is because I can save money and get lots of talent to make a very competitive team and I don't wanna pay a 30+ year old guy 30 mil a year.

So here is a deal that could be had... Albert Pujols and Jaime Garcia to Seattle for Felix Hernandez, Brandon League, and Justin Smoak.

Then I have a 19 year old second baseman prospect I can trade straight up for Max Scherzer to replace Garcia.

So the rotation would look like this:

Adam Wainwright
Felix Hernandez
Chris Carpenter
Max Scherzer
Kyle Lohse

Or should I keep Pujols and build around him? I could still get Scherzer but I would have to get a closer else where (because I'm not keeping Franklin) and some infield help (Infield help will be getting worked on anyway, if I trade Pujols or not).

Rotation would look like this if I kept Pujols:

Adam Wainwright
Chris Carpenter
Jaime Garcia
Max Scherzer
Kyle Lohse

What do you like better?

If it is me, I keep Pujols because, well, there is only one Pujols. I understand that if you want to rebuild he is certainly your most valuable piece that can bring in the most. Smoak in my 10 franchise finally came up after several moves and eventually landing in Tampa Bay. He is not just leading in ROY voting, but in 1B all star voting as well. He has turned into a serious beast. Smoak and the mohawk brothers certainly adds pitching while not taking too much away from your hitting at 1st base. So I can't say that it is a terrible call. And if it turns out to be, you can always try to get Pujols back in free agency.

Cod, Nyjer Morgan might just get the job done. I have to look through my notes to see where he landed, but great idea. The Giants keep trying to offer me Carlos Gomez and a few others for some of my prospects, but he is getting $6 mil. That is more than I want to pay for a late inning speedster.

[stlchamp10]

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If it is me, I keep Pujols because, well, there is only one Pujols. I understand that if you want to rebuild he is certainly your most valuable piece that can bring in the most. Smoak in my 10 franchise finally came up after several moves and eventually landing in Tampa Bay. He is not just leading in ROY voting, but in 1B all star voting as well. He has turned into a serious beast. Smoak and the mohawk brothers certainly adds pitching while not taking too much away from your hitting at 1st base. So I can't say that it is a terrible call. And if it turns out to be, you can always try to get Pujols back in free agency.

That's what's so hard. Don't know if I should pull the trigger or just do it and put the Phillies rotation to shame .

Or by pass Smoak and put Berkman at first and try and get a solid outfielder or give Jon Jay and try. Either way I gotta get some infield help, so with me not keeping Punto, Schumaker, and Theroit... What middle infielders can I get thats young, has pop, and great defensively?

[northface28]

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In my franchise the Red Sox & Marlins struck a deal:

Boston sends:

LF A. Bates
SP A. Ranaudo

To

Florida:
For

RP C. Hensley
SP R. Nolasco
SS O. Martinez

RedSox have a deep staff as Nolasco is now their long relief pitcher. Redsox also designated Tim Wakefield for assignment.

[cardsleadtheway]

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That's what's so hard. Don't know if I should pull the trigger or just do it and put the Phillies rotation to shame .

Or by pass Smoak and put Berkman at first and try and get a solid outfielder or give Jon Jay and try. Either way I gotta get some infield help, so with me not keeping Punto, Schumaker, and Theroit... What middle infielders can I get thats young, has pop, and great defensively?

You could probably get Tulo for Pujols with the right combination of prospects. If it comes closer to the deadline, you might be able to get a middle infield prospect for Berkman.

[petermc]

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So Basicly Jays need a Center fielder or a first basemen (as then you can just change Lind back to fielding) And some more speed. In your Ms Chise you want to win this season right?