Community Day....FRANCHISE and EDITOR

[DarkFudge]

Re: Community Day....FRANCHISE and EDITOR

Russell, I think you have a sampling group of hard core franchise playing customers that fail to purchase your newer baseball titles each year for the simple reason that they are content with continuing their current franchise and there is really no feature that allows you to import an exisiting franchise from an older MLB game into the newer versions. Whether that sampling group is large or small, is hard to say but I would think that ANY lost customers would be discouraging.

Dont you think it would be a good feature, and sound business model, to simply include some sort of franchise and My Player importer for those customers that would enjoy the benefits and features of a newer game but still want to continue with all their existing progress? I mean, can you imagine if the newer versions of Microsoft Word wouldn't allow you to open up Word docs written in previous versions of Office?....There would be customer outcries.

What do you think?.........I personally would love it and I know some others would as well.

[econoodle]

Re: Community Day....FRANCHISE and EDITOR

Russell, I think you have a sampling group of hard core franchise playing customers that fail to purchase your newer baseball titles each year for the simple reason that they are content with continuing their current franchise and there is really no feature that allows you to import an exisiting franchise from an older MLB game into the newer versions. Whether that sampling group is large or small, is hard to say but I would think that ANY lost customers would be discouraging.

Dont you think it would be a good feature, and sound business model, to simply include some sort of franchise and My Player importer for those customers that would enjoy the benefits and features of a newer game but still want to continue with all their existing progress? I mean, can you imagine if the newer versions of Microsoft Word wouldn't allow you to open up Word docs written in previous versions of Office?....There would be customer outcries.

What do you think?.........I personally would love it and I know some others would as well.

from what i understand, they tried this, but it was causing problems.
i think.
something to that effect, i could be wrong, but i know to some extent they mentioned it somewhere on here.


i think finally franchise gets the love in 13. i for one will be jumping for joy.

i'll finally be able to put 10 to a resting home.

[jkra0512]

Re: Community Day....FRANCHISE and EDITOR

Russell, I think you have a sampling group of hard core franchise playing customers that fail to purchase your newer baseball titles each year for the simple reason that they are content with continuing their current franchise and there is really no feature that allows you to import an exisiting franchise from an older MLB game into the newer versions. Whether that sampling group is large or small, is hard to say but I would think that ANY lost customers would be discouraging.

Dont you think it would be a good feature, and sound business model, to simply include some sort of franchise and My Player importer for those customers that would enjoy the benefits and features of a newer game but still want to continue with all their existing progress? I mean, can you imagine if the newer versions of Microsoft Word wouldn't allow you to open up Word docs written in previous versions of Office?....There would be customer outcries.

What do you think?.........I personally would love it and I know some others would as well.

I am sure they have heard the calls for this feature each and every year, but obviously there has to be some serious issues trying to import a save from one game to the other. Definitely a cool feature to have though, I hope someday they figure it out.

[nomo17k]

Re: Community Day....FRANCHISE and EDITOR

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Dont you think it would be a good feature, and sound business model, to simply include some sort of franchise and My Player importer for those customers that would enjoy the benefits and features of a newer game but still want to continue with all their existing progress?

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A recent discussion on this matter:

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...hise-rtts.html

[Knight165]

Re: Community Day....FRANCHISE and EDITOR

Knight, do players from the draft receive random equipment, stances, pitching motions, etc? If so I hope it's not like it was last year where randomization would sometimes not work and all players had gen 1 stance/motion and I hope to not see every other player with dreads and aged faces.

PS: with you guys playing the game nearly two months before release does this mean we could be seeing a patch to address or improve areas of the game?

I'm not sure. I don't think anything was changed in that respect, but to say either way I couldn't say. Yes...the aged face did make it in too much and dreads....I wish they would lock that out of the generated process altogether. I did look a bit....and then got so swamped with checking on other things I spaced on it. I'm sorry. That one's on me.

Knight, is the team at SCEA planning on putting all their resources into the franchise mode next year?



It's my favorite feature of the game and being an offline franchise user I feel it falls short in almost every simulation sports game that's out there. I just want reassurance that franchise mode isn't going to put on the backburner year in and year out. I believe this is the second year in a row where nothing has really been added to franchise. Just touch ups.

I think you see Ramone's answer. They don't ever put ALL resources into one particular mode. It's really quite an interesting process in respect to how it all comes together. With that I'm quite confident that franchise mode will get some much anticipated attention and in speaking with both the devs that will be working on the mode and one of the directors of the dev team....it reassures me of that. Anything can happen....but...

Nope....................................

But that's a nope in the nicest sense of the word, right?!!

That is straight-forward and should show people that you all have different teams focusing on different aspects of the game.

I don't like looking a year ahead, but like always, I'm interested in what you all come up with for the next iteration. I just hope that I'll have a chance to get to play it but who knows what I'll be up to next year.

I've always said SCEA is no nonsense.

Thanks Russell. It seems like alot of Knights' answers to the questions (god bless those answers BTW) end with no, maybe for '13.

Was just wondering. I think a deeper franschise mode would be the best selling point for a sports simulation game. But then again I'm probably just being biast. It's my favorite part of any sports game and always seems to fall short to the dreaded online play feature.

Great job by the way, to you and your team with all the added features in gameplay this year. Madden developers could learn a thing or two. Don't play the football games but can tell from what I read here on OS. Enough to keep me from spending any kind of cash on it. Not hatin, just the truth. March can't get here soon enough.

See above!!!

Just thought of a question while sitting here playing 11, will we be able to import created players off of the weekly roster updates into existing franchise?

Also let me say thank you to all of you guys tabarnes, knight, Russell and entire group for all the info. Whether the answers to our questions are what we want to hear or not, I for one appreciate that we get them answered!

No......they tried last year and it caused problems.(a lot of dupes....swapped stats, missing players.....) I don't think they re-attempted again this year...but hopefully for next as well as expanding on the vaults.

Russell, I think you have a sampling group of hard core franchise playing customers that fail to purchase your newer baseball titles each year for the simple reason that they are content with continuing their current franchise and there is really no feature that allows you to import an exisiting franchise from an older MLB game into the newer versions. Whether that sampling group is large or small, is hard to say but I would think that ANY lost customers would be discouraging.

Dont you think it would be a good feature, and sound business model, to simply include some sort of franchise and My Player importer for those customers that would enjoy the benefits and features of a newer game but still want to continue with all their existing progress? I mean, can you imagine if the newer versions of Microsoft Word wouldn't allow you to open up Word docs written in previous versions of Office?....There would be customer outcries.

What do you think?.........I personally would love it and I know some others would as well.

It would be nice, but again......with year to year changes within the game, it would be problematic and would need a converter written into the game to handle such changes.

from what i understand, they tried this, but it was causing problems.
i think.
something to that effect, i could be wrong, but i know to some extent they mentioned it somewhere on here.


i think finally franchise gets the love in 13. i for one will be jumping for joy.

i'll finally be able to put 10 to a resting home.

Yep.

M.K.
Knight165

I am sure they have heard the calls for this feature each and every year, but obviously there has to be some serious issues trying to import a save from one game to the other. Definitely a cool feature to have though, I hope someday they figure it out.

[tonybologna]

Re: Community Day....FRANCHISE and EDITOR

It really is quite simple IMO.

Provide me with a scenario where you think it would be overly complicated....I'll show you how easy it is.

OK! I'll give you a good example to start. Take Prince Fielder who is a FA right now. You place him in the FA lists. Let's say he signs with the Nationals. The only option you have is to swap him with a CURRENT real-life player from that roster.

Of course, I'm referring to the OSFM roster set that you guys so kindly & greatly do every single year. These have real players so that's what I'm basing my example from above.

Now, you can say just swap him with a lower level player from the Nationals. Well, that I have done a few times before. However, you're still removing a real player from the Nationals organization. I use the OSFM set for that reason. You get all real-life players in the roster set.

You are forced to remove that real-life player with my scenario example above. You say it's easy! How is that scenario called easy to deal with for roster management Knight?

Now, let's go to another example. You have a trade in MLB. Either a 1-1 trade or multi player trade. 1-1 trades are relatively easy but any others are not.

Take any actual FA that's currently on their most recent team's roster as another example. If he signs with a different team you're FORCED to swap him with a player from the team he signs with. You tell me how that is easy? You are left with at least one player on the wrong team period.

Now, I know there are several fake players in the FA lists that we can use to replace players on the wrong team. However, there's not enough to cover all of the player moves/transactions. I'm sorry but if you have a legitimate way that I somehow don't know about then please feel free to elaborate here or shoot me a PM Knight!

I have also read tbarnes explanation in how logic changes make for a hayday in game programming. I still don't see why implementing the ability to freely sign & release players is a problem with logic & programming. Maybe I need a programming lesson on this! I don't feel like I'm asking too much in getting this feature implemented. I'm also not in the minority on this topic either. Thanks!

[tabarnes19_SDS]

Re: Community Day....FRANCHISE and EDITOR

OK! I'll give you a good example to start. Take Prince Fielder who is a FA right now. You place him in the FA lists. Let's say he signs with the Nationals. The only option you have is to swap him with a CURRENT real-life player from that roster.

Of course, I'm referring to the OSFM roster set that you guys so kindly & greatly do every single year. These have real players so that's what I'm basing my example from above.

Now, you can say just swap him with a lower level players from the Nationals. Well, that I have done a few times before. However, you're still removing a real player from the Nationals organization. I use the OSFM set for that reason. You get all real-life players in the roster set.

You are forced to remove that real-life player with my scenario example above. You say it's easy! How is that scenario called easy to deal with for roster management Knight?

Now, let's go to another example. You have a trade in MLB. Either a 1-1 trade or multi player trade. 1-1 trades are relatively easy but any others are not.

Take any actual FA that's currently on their most recent team's roster as another example. If he signs with a different team you're FORCED to swap him with a player from the team he signs with. You tell me how that is easy? You are left with at least one player on the wrong team period.

Now, I know there are several fake players in the FA lists that we can use to replace players on the wrong team. However, there's not enough to cover all of the player moves/transactions. I'm sorry but if you have a legitimate way that I somehow don't know about then please feel free to elaborate here or shoot me a PM Knight!

I also understand & have read tbarned explanation in how logic changes make for a hayday in game programming. I still don't see why implementing the ability to freely sign & release players is a problem with logic & programming. Maybe I need a programming lesson on this! I don't feel like I'm asking too much in getting this feature implemented. I'm also not in the minority on this topic either. Thanks!

From the way I understand it, it is because there are built in checks for roster integrity to keep the system(rosters, franchise from crashing). If you notice when you are doing Roster management stuff there are checks and you either have to go in and fix the problems or autofix.

By having an empty roster spot would corrupt the roster file. It would be like having a data base program and not inputting a field, that alone sometimes causes crashes. Computer programming does not see things the way we do (knight excluded he sees Matrix code ) it sees things as right or wrong, 1 and 0.

For us, as humans who can rationally think, to have a plus/minus player is acceptable, the system on the other hand sees it as an error. So to keep integrity that is why it is a 1-1 in roster section, or why you have to have so many position players or pitchers etc...CPU checks

[tonybologna]

Re: Community Day....FRANCHISE and EDITOR

From the way I understand it, it is because there are built in checks for roster integrity to keep the system(rosters, franchise from crashing). If you notice when you are doing Roster management stuff there are checks and you either have to go in and fix the problems or autofix.

By having an empty roster spot would corrupt the roster file. It would be like having a data base program and not inputting a field, that alone sometimes causes crashes. Computer programming does not see things the way we do (knight excluded he sees Matrix code ) it sees things as right or wrong, 1 and 0.

For us, as humans who can rationally think, to have a plus/minus player is acceptable, the system on the other hand sees it as an error. So to keep integrity that is why it is a 1-1 in roster section, or why you have to have so many position players or pitchers etc...CPU checks

Thanks for that explanation tbarnes. However, Knight said it was easy to deal with. Then you or Knight tell me how it's so easy to keep accurate rosters with this limitation? What do you guys do? Thanks!

[tabarnes19_SDS]

Re: Community Day....FRANCHISE and EDITOR

Thanks for that explanation tbarnes. However, Knight said it was easy to deal with. Then you or Knight tell me how it's so easy to keep accurate rosters with this limitation? What do you guys do? Thanks!

The answer to that question is as simple as can be. I know some guys are OCD about certain things, I am to an extent about some as well, but to use your Prince Fielder example.

I would swap Prince from FA list to the team he signs with and then take out the lowest rated F potential player that is created with 0 service time. Is it exactly like the transaction? Nope, but in all honesty will he ever contribute?

2-1 trades...same premise.

[tonybologna]

Re: Community Day....FRANCHISE and EDITOR

The answer to that question is as simple as can be. I know some guys are OCD about certain things, I am to an extent about some as well, but to use your Prince Fielder example.

I would swap Prince from FA list to the team he signs with and then take out the lowest rated F potential player that is created with 0 service time. Is it exactly like the transaction? Nope, but in all honesty will he ever contribute?

2-1 trades...same premise.

Your explanation is how I've been doing it for a while now. However, by swapping him with a lower level player you're still having a player on the wrong team. That defeats the purpose of using the OSFM set. There's real-life players for a reason from the roster set.

You ask will that lower level player ever contribute? Probably not, but just like in real-life there are players that make & contribute in the big leagues that were NEVER expected to do anything at all. Thanks!

[Knight165]

Re: Community Day....FRANCHISE and EDITOR

The answer to that question is as simple as can be. I know some guys are OCD about certain things, I am to an extent about some as well, but to use your Prince Fielder example.

I would swap Prince from FA list to the team he signs with and then take out the lowest rated F potential player that is created with 0 service time. Is it exactly like the transaction? Nope, but in all honesty will he ever contribute?

2-1 trades...same premise.

Exactly......
If you consider 5-6 slots in each organization as "fodder" slots...meaning empty meaningless players(real...they just aren't "important" to an organization in any real sense...filler players if you will) then you can always have the goods to make any type of deal that happens IRL to have in your franchise.
Problem is.....guys make a teams top 45 prospects...then fill in the draft picks...and the rest are fringe guys that they hope will turn into something....and can't make the "difficult" decision to just say....adios to a couple of them.
In actual terms of the movement, if you're saying it's a monumental task, then all I can say is, I vehemently disagree and you're making it out to be more than it is. The game is not set up to have rosters as a bottemless pit, so you first have to accept that.

Now....I use the import/export feature quite a bit when creating rosters and then I keep any player that I plan on moving off a team..and then overwriting into someone......on the HDD instead. In other words I export him....use one of the templates I have on the HDD.....this way I can re-import him on a base set if the need arises or simply import him on a different set to look at his ratings(rather than re-do them again from scratch).
It's not a magic procedure I'm talking about...just using a little common sense and forethought. Also it's accepting the limitations(roster) that the game has. If you can't get your head around that first, you're just going to frustrate yourself.

M.K.
Knight165

[jethrotull]

Re: Community Day....FRANCHISE and EDITOR

Don't believe I saw this already, but do we have the ability to import entire teams from the player vault? I am someone who worked on the 1987 roster and I know that the countless hours it took would be cut to a third of the time.

[Knight165]

Re: Community Day....FRANCHISE and EDITOR

Don't believe I saw this already, but do we have the ability to import entire teams from the player vault? I am someone who worked on the 1987 roster and I know that the countless hours it took would be cut to a third of the time.

No.....When speaking with Kolbe last year, that was the intended next step in the process(which would have been awesome!), but it didn't happen this year.
Hopefully, they keep this in mind as this would be a dream for roster makers .....new....historical....fictional. So much easier than player by player.

M.K.
Knight165

[tonybologna]

Re: Community Day....FRANCHISE and EDITOR

Exactly......
If you consider 5-6 slots in each organization as "fodder" slots...meaning empty meaningless players(real...they just aren't "important" to an organization in any real sense...filler players if you will) then you can always have the goods to make any type of deal that happens IRL to have in your franchise.
Problem is.....guys make a teams top 45 prospects...then fill in the draft picks...and the rest are fringe guys that they hope will turn into something....and can't make the "difficult" decision to just say....adios to a couple of them.
In actual terms of the movement, if you're saying it's a monumental task, then all I can say is, I vehemently disagree and you're making it out to be more than it is. The game is not set up to have rosters as a bottemless pit, so you first have to accept that.

Now....I use the import/export feature quite a bit when creating rosters and then I keep any player that I plan on moving off a team..and then overwriting into someone......on the HDD instead. In other words I export him....use one of the templates I have on the HDD.....this way I can re-import him on a base set if the need arises or simply import him on a different set to look at his ratings(rather than re-do them again from scratch).
It's not a magic procedure I'm talking about...just using a little common sense and forethought. Also it's accepting the limitations(roster) that the game has. If you can't get your head around that first, you're just going to frustrate yourself.

M.K.
Knight165

Fair enough! I appreciate your insight & explanation. I guess I'm a little too anal about rosters!

[MetsFan16]

Re: Community Day....FRANCHISE and EDITOR

Was there any improvements to Drafting? I know they added player types like Center Fielders that can field but not too strong at hitting. But was there any changes to how drafting works?