MLB 12 The Show Team Rankings (Overall, Hitting, Pitching and Defense)

[garyjr33]

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cause they added papelbon.


but yea, i would say phillies one, but the yankees have the best bullpen in baseball, arguably. and the staff is now greatly improved [losing aj burnett will do that to a staff], tho i am sure it is based off Kuroda's NL numbers [will they translate to the AL East or will be Javy Vasquez 2.0?] and the possibilities of what Pineda can become.

I am very wary of Kuroda in the AL. I have a feeling he may become quite the disappointment but the best part of this is that he has a 1 year contract. Pineda has a ton of potential and is reportedly working on his change-up in camp to become a solid 3 pitch pitcher instead of relying on the fastball-slider combo, which could have contributed to his drop off last year in the second half. But I think it is fair to say that the Yankees have the best bullpen in baseball, which probably factors into their number 1 rating. I am a Yankees fan, but I am not sure I would rank them number 1 even with their lights out bullpen.

[AUTiger1]

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The Braves ratings seemed about right except for the defensive number. 22 is way too low for our defense. The Braves had the 4th best fielding percentage in the majors last year. The Braves were 12th in defensive efficiency factor. I have no idea how in the world that comes out to a 22nd overall defensive ranking. And the thing that makes it even worst is them having the Cubs at 19. The Cubs were last in the majors in fielding percentage and next to last in defensive efficiency factor.

[etched Chaos]

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I am very wary of Kuroda in the AL. I have a feeling he may become quite the disappointment but the best part of this is that he has a 1 year contract. Pineda has a ton of potential and is reportedly working on his change-up in camp to become a solid 3 pitch pitcher instead of relying on the fastball-slider combo, which could have contributed to his drop off last year in the second half. But I think it is fair to say that the Yankees have the best bullpen in baseball, which probably factors into their number 1 rating. I am a Yankees fan, but I am not sure I would rank them number 1 even with their lights out bullpen.

That's my main gripe with the Show ratings, too much credence is given to the less-important elements of teams. That's not to say the bullpen isn't important, but in pitching the rotation is king, you have a bad rotation, your bullpen is not going to be enough to make up for it. Likewise if you have an astonishing rotation, a bad pen is not going to kill your staff, you blow a few extra games, but you'll still be lights out.

[AUTiger1]

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The thing is though having an amazing bullpen doesn't hide the flaws of your rotation. Even Burnettless the Yanks aren't a top 3 pitching staff, let alone #1. To me, if you have the best rotation in years then any deficiencies in your bullpen are less significant because that bullpen isn't as important.

To not have the defacto best staff in baseball from 2011 at #1 is disappointing. I know it's only ratings, but it still matters. To try and use the strengths of the bullpen as the reason is also disappointing imo, the Phils rotation were so good, it didn't matter who was in the pen as long as the closer wasn't horrific. Sure the pen didn't rack up all the WAR's and IP's like teams who couldn't get their starter through 6 innings (hello Atlanta), but for their ranking to get dropped because of it, mindblowing.

It's was an utter disappointment that Fredi treated our pitchers like that but he learned from the best how to not properly run a pitching staff [Bobby Cox]. He routinely took our starters out after 5 2/3 or 6 innings when they only had around 90-95 pitches. Ridiculous!

[AgentQ16]

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BULLS H ! T

Yankees are so fricken overrated... AGAIN. Hey developers...do you even look at last season's stats? The Angels were #1 in overall pitching (see stats link)...AND they just got better with the addition of CJ Wilson and Hawkins. Do your homework developers!!

http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/team/_/stat/pitching/league/al/type/expanded

[etched Chaos]

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It's was an utter disappointment that Fredi treated our pitchers like that but he learned from the best how to not properly run a pitching staff [Bobby Cox]. He routinely took our starters out after 5 2/3 or 6 innings when they only had around 90-95 pitches. Ridiculous!

He got too reliant on your pen and it cost you down the stretch. If he lets your starters go longer, you likely don't miss the Wildcard, the Cardinals don't luckbox the WS and La Russa doesn't get his crowning glory. That's why the pen should not be so significant ratingswise, because no matter how good it is, the rotation is more important.

The Phils had a middle of the road pen in 2011, and it had no negative significance on how good the staff was statistically, sure it may have cost us a sub 3 ERA staff, but the rotation was so good, it didn't matter who was in the pen. That's something that is never reflected in the Show's rankings, every single player seems to have the same impact on thew ranking. So if you have a deep bench or a bullpen filled with nasty relievers, the abundance of players in both gives your rankings a healthy boost.

[etched Chaos]

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BULLS H ! T

Yankees are so fricken overrated... AGAIN. Hey developers...do you even look at last season's stats? The Angels were #1 in overall pitching (see stats link)...AND they just got better with the addition of CJ Wilson and Hawkins. Do your homework developers!!

http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/team/_/.../type/expanded

Ahem. Change the stats to MLB and Philly comes top.

[AUTiger1]

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He got too reliant on your pen and it cost you down the stretch. If he lets your starters go longer, you likely don't miss the Wildcard, the Cardinals don't luckbox the WS and La Russa doesn't get his crowning glory. That's why the pen should not be so significant ratingswise, because no matter how good it is, the rotation is more important.

The Phils had a middle of the road pen in 2011, and it had no negative significance on how good the staff was statistically, sure it may have cost us a sub 3 ERA staff, but the rotation was so good, it didn't matter who was in the pen. That's something that is never reflected in the Show's rankings, every single player seems to have the same impact on thew ranking. So if you have a deep bench or a bullpen filled with nasty relievers, the abundance of players in both gives your rankings a healthy boost.

Yep. But with having Kris Medlen back for the full season and a full season of Arodys Vicaino in the pen we'll have more trustworthy arms to handly the work load. Anyone is better than Scott Linebrink and Scott Proctor! Those guys always came into a game and threw gasoline on an already lit fire!

[etched Chaos]

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Yep. But with having Kris Medlen back for the full season and a full season of Arodys Vicaino in the pen we'll have more trustworthy arms to handly the work load. Anyone is better than Scott Linebrink and Scott Proctor! Those guys always came into a game and threw gasoline on an already lit fire!

I'll bet you anything he still overuses Venters and Kimbrel.

[AUTiger1]

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I'll bet you anything he still overuses Venters and Kimbrel.

I'm not biting on that bet because it's a given that Venters and Kimbrel will both be in around 80 games. My only hope is that the Braves don't play 65 extra innings this year like they did last year and actually have a few blowout wins.

[Rasco11]

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Weird formula to determine overall?!? Mariners, for example, are ranked higher than 27 in every catagory (the big 3 - hitting, pitching, defense), yet they are 27th overall? Im not screaming the M'a should be higher or lower ranked...Im just saying the overall ranking doesnt appear to add up is all? Perhaps there are managerial, team chemistry ratings that play a role not shown? It would be interesting to learn the equation...

[nomo17k]

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Weird formula to determine overall?!? Mariners, for example, are ranked higher than 27 in every catagory (the big 3 - hitting, pitching, defense), yet they are 27th overall? Im not screaming the M'a should be higher or lower ranked...Im just saying the overall ranking doesnt appear to add up is all? Perhaps there are managerial, team chemistry ratings that play a role not shown? It would be interesting to learn the equation...

This can happen if a few other teams have some big holes and get very poor ratings for those areas. It just means the Mariners are consistently poor in every category, while some other teams are better in more areas but very poor in a few.

[etched Chaos]

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Just to put into numbers the difference between the impacts of the rotation over the bullpen.

The Phillies last season had 73% of their IP from their rotation, the Yankees with the better pen had 68% of their IP from the rotation. So why when devising rankings and ratings do SCEA not account for the importance of the rotation over the pen? The Phils rotation accounted for 2.58x more IP then their pen.

[AgentQ16]

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Ahem. Change the stats to MLB and Philly comes top.

I was referring to the overall AL stats to compare the Angels and Yankees. angels should have the top pitching ranking in the AL.

[jmik58]

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It's was an utter disappointment that Fredi treated our pitchers like that but he learned from the best how to not properly run a pitching staff [Bobby Cox]. He routinely took our starters out after 5 2/3 or 6 innings when they only had around 90-95 pitches. Ridiculous!

Did you really just say that Bobby Cox didn't know how to run a pitching staff?