Community Day 2013 - FRANCHISE MODE/EDITOR

[tabarnes19_SDS]

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What was the general threshold you noticed for players retiring?

I keep hearing praise for the new system, but honestly I feel that it might end up resulting in a lot of players retiring in game who really would continue to play on an MLB team in real life. Veteran players are valued quite high by the league. Look at Lance Berkman 11mil + an 11mil option for 14 after only 32 games played last year and at 36 years old. I wonder if in The Show someone declining like Berkman would retire when in actuality teams value players like him, even at 36 years old and with an injury year in 2012.

There are a bunch of other examples throughout the past years that I wonder if in The Show these types of players would nearly always retire according to the game's logic due to their perceived attribute level by the game. Here are two from this year that I wonder how would be handled if their contracts expired with the same logic that is in MLB 13.

Ichiro: 2 yrs 13m at 39 yrs old
Raul Ibanez: 1 yr 2.75m at 40 yrs old

Since those are examples that cant be tested since the 13 logic would need to be in MLB 12. But can you CD guys who simmed give some examples of players that retired and those who did not?

Did you see any of the big stars keep playing after their contracts expired? Like for example Zack Greinke. His contract expires 2018 at the age of 35. Did he consistently deteriorate or were there simmed franchises where he had a longer career. Granted I don't think you guys had time to keep track of every player and sim that much, but can you give any examples you noticed?

Variability is nice, but if the deterioration logic is so consistent that I can predict that greinke will retire at age 35-36 every time its the same issue as before, just with a new wrinkle.

I'm hoping I am just being overly worried though and when the game comes and I get to the 2nd year in my franchise a lot of the MLB players that surely would continue to play in 2014 will be there. In MLB 12 I could always count on this being a big disappointment. Sorry to ramble, but the retirement issue has plagued franchise for years and the hopes of it being fixed have be very interested.

If you are in year two of your franchise and the player has a contract he will not retire. As in real life players regress as they age.

There is some randomness to this, but AVG. Major League retirements are 32 in REAL baseball, the median is around 34. Some obviously play longer while others shorter. In 12 I can understand why some people will get upset when a player retires and still preforming. With the new system in place(regression) a player will take into consideration his current attributes, strength of the Free agent class, and league quality when determining if they are going to retire. (this is just like real life)

So to use your Greinke example, if Greinke was to regress to a 75 and the league quality of starting pitchers was lower and the free agent class had few sp he would stay playing looking for a contract even at 36. If when his contract is up there are 20 SP on the free agent market rated 80 and above and younger, he probably is hanging them up.(ALTHOUGH not guaranteed) This plays true to real baseball.

For every player you name that continues to play I can name some that hang them up. Vlad was never offered a deal after hitting .290 with Bal in 2011 and was forced to hang them up. He was 35 and a "star." Jose Guillen was 36 the year before. Star players are relative. Is AROD still a star? If Arod was a free agent in real life right now how many offers would he get?

Like I said it is relative. I think this part is really well done, until they can program in pitch hitters and lefty specialist, then It will be tough to have cpu logic allow players to play into their 40's. If all of the players play that long, where will the drafted players go?

[seanjeezy]

Re: Community Day 2013 - FRANCHISE MODE/EDITOR

Hey tbarnes, all this talk about players regressing in the late stages of their career has me wondering if a player's peak years have been changed... Last year players would progress/regress at any age as long as their overall was different from their potential - do players now have set timeframes for progression/peak/regression (with some variance of course)?

Also, does how does the game handle boom/bust prospects this year? Sleepers? Phenoms?

[tabarnes19_SDS]

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Hey tbarnes, all this talk about players regressing in the late stages of their career has me wondering if a player's peak years have been changed... Last year players would progress/regress at any age as long as their overall was different from their potential - do players now have set timeframes for progression/peak/regression (with some variance of course)?

Also, does how does the game handle boom/bust prospects this year? Sleepers? Phenoms?

I'm sure much of that info will be posted in the upcoming franchise blog.

[seanjeezy]

Re: Community Day 2013 - FRANCHISE MODE/EDITOR

I'm sure much of that info will be posted in the upcoming franchise blog.

Dang, I was hoping you'd get caught up in the excitement and spill the beans

[g-burn]

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Did you SIM 5 years ahead last year? That's when hof inductions happened in 12.

Ah. That would be why. I only played 4 seasons. I'll go back and sim to year 5 and see what happens.

I'd still like to know the criteria for Hall of Fame selections though.

[tabarnes19_SDS]

Re: Community Day 2013 - FRANCHISE MODE/EDITOR

Ah. That would be why. I only played 4 seasons. I'll go back and sim to year 5 and see what happens.

I'd still like to know the criteria for Hall of Fame selections though.

Yes try that in 12 Hall of fame inductions followed HOF rules and they were inducted 5 years after retirement. They were only viewable a short period of time right after retirements section in Offseason in the Hall of Fame induction page.

To be honest I don't know exactly how players are determined to meet HOF guidelines, but I am assuming it is some formula based on key stats. It tracks batting average, stolen bases, hits, hrs, runs and rbis for a hitter. The criteria is the same as past versions.

ERA, wins, losses, saves, K's, ips for pitchers

[MrOldboy]

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If you are in year two of your franchise and the player has a contract he will not retire. As in real life players regress as they age.

There is some randomness to this, but AVG. Major League retirements are 32 in REAL baseball, the median is around 34. Some obviously play longer while others shorter. In 12 I can understand why some people will get upset when a player retires and still preforming. With the new system in place(regression) a player will take into consideration his current attributes, strength of the Free agent class, and league quality when determining if they are going to retire. (this is just like real life)

So to use your Greinke example, if Greinke was to regress to a 75 and the league quality of starting pitchers was lower and the free agent class had few sp he would stay playing looking for a contract even at 36. If when his contract is up there are 20 SP on the free agent market rated 80 and above and younger, he probably is hanging them up.(ALTHOUGH not guaranteed) This plays true to real baseball.

For every player you name that continues to play I can name some that hang them up. Vlad was never offered a deal after hitting .290 with Bal in 2011 and was forced to hang them up. He was 35 and a "star." Jose Guillen was 36 the year before. Star players are relative. Is AROD still a star? If Arod was a free agent in real life right now how many offers would he get?

Like I said it is relative. I think this part is really well done, until they can program in pitch hitters and lefty specialist, then It will be tough to have cpu logic allow players to play into their 40's. If all of the players play that long, where will the drafted players go?

Both of the players you mentioned Vlad and Guillen are still trying to play. Vlad attempted to continue playing, he signed a minor league deal with Toronto in 2012 and only had them release him when they declined to call him up. And I believe even played winter ball this past winter.

Guillen also wants to continue playing http://espndeportes.espn.go.com/news...bei&type=story

Granted they are technically retired as it pertains to MLB The Show since they are not playing. But they are still trying to play, the logic you described cannot account for this. I understand why, but without going all the way in this I just foresee the same types of issues as last year. Players in real life don't just say, well the free agent market looks kind of bad, I guess I'll retire. No, they try as hard as they can to continue playing and collecting a paycheck.

I want to see a current player (maybe someone like Jeremy Affeldt) that has a career like Miguel Batista. He pitched last year at age 41 and did reasonably well and the Rockies just signed him to a minor league deal. He has a very good shot at being on their MLB roster this year. Even if Affeldt in the game regresses to a point where he might retire, someone would most likely give him a shot. The game however will say nope, retired.

I think its not the logic that I am concerned about, that makes sense, its the regression system that people have been praising. From what I am reading it looks like its too rigid, where all players will decline similarly. In reality this is not true and some players do not regress at all. That is what I am concerned about in terms or players seemingly retiring early. The game might say they are a 70 overall and therefore by the game's logic they retire. But in actuality they should have never regressed to that 70 in the first place.

[CBCARDS78]

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Another question.

This year will we be allowed to go through and see the managerial staff for other teams?(Manager, Hitting Coach, Pitching Coach)

I've always wanted to see where guys end up in the off-season.

[tabarnes19_SDS]

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You can in 30 team control I don't believe you can in single team control.

[CBCARDS78]

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You can in 30 team control I don't believe you can in single team control.

well shucks! LOL

Thanks for answering.

[Knight165]

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Both of the players you mentioned Vlad and Guillen are still trying to play. Vlad attempted to continue playing, he signed a minor league deal with Toronto in 2012 and only had them release him when they declined to call him up. And I believe even played winter ball this past winter.

Guillen also wants to continue playing http://espndeportes.espn.go.com/news...bei&type=story

Granted they are technically retired as it pertains to MLB The Show since they are not playing. But they are still trying to play, the logic you described cannot account for this. I understand why, but without going all the way in this I just foresee the same types of issues as last year. Players in real life don't just say, well the free agent market looks kind of bad, I guess I'll retire. No, they try as hard as they can to continue playing and collecting a paycheck.

I want to see a current player (maybe someone like Jeremy Affeldt) that has a career like Miguel Batista. He pitched last year at age 41 and did reasonably well and the Rockies just signed him to a minor league deal. He has a very good shot at being on their MLB roster this year. Even if Affeldt in the game regresses to a point where he might retire, someone would most likely give him a shot. The game however will say nope, retired.

I think its not the logic that I am concerned about, that makes sense, its the regression system that people have been praising. From what I am reading it looks like its too rigid, where all players will decline similarly. In reality this is not true and some players do not regress at all. That is what I am concerned about in terms or players seemingly retiring early. The game might say they are a 70 overall and therefore by the game's logic they retire. But in actuality they should have never regressed to that 70 in the first place.

Maybe so...but where the heck would they put all those players?
There is already 3 pages of FA's.
As it stands guys complain that the franchise mode is tough to get in to the later stages of....if there were hangers on left and right and new blood was never getting introduced how far would guys go?
There has to be a balance between extreme realism and fun.

I'm all for extremes...trust me, but I also understand why they have to balance it out.

Like stated earlier.....before you start, find the players you think should not be retiring. Give them a contract that is multi year and you'll be good to go.

M.K.
Knight165

[MrOldboy]

Re: Community Day 2013 - FRANCHISE MODE/EDITOR

Maybe so...but where the heck would they put all those players?
There is already 3 pages of FA's.
As it stands guys complain that the franchise mode is tough to get in to the later stages of....if there were hangers on left and right and new blood was never getting introduced how far would guys go?
There has to be a balance between extreme realism and fun.

I'm all for extremes...trust me, but I also understand why they have to balance it out.

Like stated earlier.....before you start, find the players you think should not be retiring. Give them a contract that is multi year and you'll be good to go.

M.K.
Knight165

But saying things like that also gives faults of the game a free pass. There is a reason a lot of people put so much effort into making the rosters accurate after the game launches. There are reasons that the community on here discuss at length the best betting stances and pitching styles to use for players. Its because we feel that the game lacks the accuracy it should. If it did, we would have no need to do this.

You say all those players. I don't want all players to play that long. I guess I'll wait and see how this actually turns out in the game, but I have a feeling there will be a lot of examples of unrealistic retirement like it has in the past, just not as bad. That's all I really mean. I wan't some variability in the system and it seems like there won't be unless they put some random element into the regression system.

Crowdsourcing the issues to the consumer is not the answer. Its nice that we can "force" the game to do things we want rather than what the game wants, but a better solution would be to get things right from the start. You know first hand how much effort is put into getting things as accurate as possible because the game lacks it it spots.

Look how long its taken to get players to not retire mid contract. That alone has baffled me over the past few years. I honestly cannot believe its actually a thing now.

But again I am very grateful things have gotten this far in terms of retirement and player progression/regression. Its a great sight to see the devs working on this as hard as they have.

[CBCARDS78]

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sorry for not putting all my questions into one post, I just post as I think of them.

Can we now sign players to contract extensions during the season?

Will the cpu be more aggressive at making trades around the trade deadline?

Will the cpu call up/send down players during the year based on performance and not injuries?

Will the cpu do a better job at letting young players play at the end of the season(with 40 man rosters) when they are not in contention for the playoffs?

Thanks in advance for answering.

[Knight165]

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But saying things like that also gives faults of the game a free pass. There is a reason a lot of people put so much effort into making the rosters accurate after the game launches. There are reasons that the community on here discuss at length the best betting stances and pitching styles to use for players. Its because we feel that the game lacks the accuracy it should. If it did, we would have no need to do this.

You say all those players. I don't want all players to play that long. I guess I'll wait and see how this actually turns out in the game, but I have a feeling there will be a lot of examples of unrealistic retirement like it has in the past, just not as bad. That's all I really mean. I wan't some variability in the system and it seems like there won't be unless they put some random element into the regression system.

Crowdsourcing the issues to the consumer is not the answer. Its nice that we can "force" the game to do things we want rather than what the game wants, but a better solution would be to get things right from the start. You know first hand how much effort is put into getting things as accurate as possible because the game lacks it it spots.

Look how long its taken to get players to not retire mid contract. That alone has baffled me over the past few years. I honestly cannot believe its actually a thing now.

But again I am very grateful things have gotten this far in terms of retirement and player progression/regression. Its a great sight to see the devs working on this as hard as they have.

I'm not sure how that translates to a "free pass".
I'm trying to tell you that if you don't want to see the better younger players enter into the game as quickly...you can assign longer contracts to the older regressing players.
I'm talking about UNDERSTANDING(not giving a "pass") that with a limited amount of space in the player slots in the game, something has to go out, for something to go in.
Sure it would be nice if there were 5400 player slots instead of 2700, but there isn't right now.
Your focus on one end would hinder what someone else sees as important.
It's got to be a little give and take.
Not everyone over 33 takes a dump and retires.
(and the dev team is not "crowdsourcing" at all....I'm sure they don't even take that into account that we might do a little work to see the older players stay..)

M.K.
Knight165

[GreenGlen]

Re: Community Day 2013 - FRANCHISE MODE/EDITOR

Hello Knight

I enjoy playing long term franchises in the show, building through the draft, developing, GM without having to babysit the cpu too much to keep them competing. There are also issues that some have mentioned about 12 such as retirements, constantly watching the current trades, future years without talent because of drafts lacking in talent poor potentials and quality players retiring. (BTW have you found those to be issues?) The question is do you believe that the improvements made in 13 franchise mode are such a vast improvement over 12 that players invested in 12 franchise should strongly consider stopping and going with 13 instead?