MLB 13 The Show Player Ratings For Every Team

[cardinalbird5]

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Can't believe you are still arguing about Trout. He had one of the best years ever. Also was 10+ wins above replacement. If it was Pujols sophomore year he'd be a 99 too. There is no bias there. This isn't the HOF we are talking about. Players don't have to be dominant for 3-4 years to be considered the best. In fact the only thing I disagree with on the Angels roster is Pujols being a 99, because that means they probably overrated his contact or power vs righties.

It isn't like they give out the overall ratings to individuals. They simply do each individual rating based on that position. It just so happens to work out that Trout is a 99 once you include his speed, fielding, arm, power, contact, plate disc, plate vision, baserunning, clutch, etc. They don't see a list of players and go "well trout is a 99, uhh aybar he is about an 89, and pujols is definitely a 99." That isn't how it works at all.

[WickedFastball]

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The argument against having anybody at 99 is that they are already at the "cap" of an overall rating and since this game is played with a franchise mode that can span a decade people like to see if Strasburg can get even better say 5 years from now but sadly his ovr will never increase. The ovr number should not be capped at all imo, and should certainly be based on 0-100 but if a player is seriously outperforming his peers year after year his "value" and his "skill" should increase as time progresses. Not be capped to last years stats. Does he have the same skill or "value" as say Nolan Ryan at his peek? No. But 3 or 4 years from now he could wind up having better stats than Ryan and should therefore it be reflected on his OVR rating. Always putting the BEST ahead of everyone else. For example lets say in your franchise Strasburg ends up with a 1.93 ERA after your first season, well thats a hell of a leap from having a 3.16 ERA last year, sooo he improved didnt he?? Since when did we cap human ability?

It's just something that I hope is looked at for the future. No big deal, will just have to edit some people back a notch or two. (Or if everyone in the game could be notched back about 5 points it could solve it)

But you need to remember the other side of that coin. Remeber Ubaldo Jimenez! He was rated "Top pitcher of MLB The Show 11!"! And yet only two years later is rated an 81 How the mighty have fallen! I remember playing 11 he was a killer for the next decade. But not so much in real life My point is that when the game bases too much of their ratings on one great season, you end up with a skewed view of the overall picture. Maybe ol' StevO will be a 115 overall in 3 years?!?! Maybe he will be an 81......Its the same reason I get upset over Trout, I don't dislike him at all, I just think prematurely jumping to the conclusion of a 99 overall is like taking the Ubaldo approach again

[WickedFastball]

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Can't believe you are still arguing about Trout. He had one of the best years ever. Also was 10+ wins above replacement. If it was Pujols sophomore year he'd be a 99 too. There is no bias there. This isn't the HOF we are talking about. Players don't have to be dominant for 3-4 years to be considered the best. In fact the only thing I disagree with on the Angels roster is Pujols being a 99, because that means they probably overrated his contact or power vs righties.

It isn't like they give out the overall ratings to individuals. They simply do each individual rating based on that position. It just so happens to work out that Trout is a 99 once you include his speed, fielding, arm, power, contact, plate disc, plate vision, baserunning, clutch, etc. They don't see a list of players and go "well trout is a 99, uhh aybar he is about an 89, and pujols is definitely a 99." That isn't how it works at all.

But didnt you just contradict yourself? You just said you disagree with him being a 99, but yet he IS A 99? Humm....?

[Nooooovak]

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But didnt you just contradict yourself? You just said you disagree with him being a 99, but yet he IS A 99? Humm....?

You completely missed the point of what he was saying. The last sentence was him speaking from the viewpoint of the people who make the ratings and had nothing to do with his opinion of Pujols at all.

He is saying that they do the individual ratings and those end up adding up to a 99 overall. They don't sit around saying, "we believe Player X is a 99 overall, so we are going to edit him to make him as such"

[WickedFastball]

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You completely missed the point of what he was saying. The last sentence was him speaking from the viewpoint of the people who make the ratings and had nothing to do with his opinion of Pujols at all.

He is saying that they do the individual ratings and those end up adding up to a 99 overall. They don't sit around saying, "we believe Player X is a 99 overall, so we are going to edit him to make him as such"

And you are missing my point
If people disagree that Pujols should be a 99 than why is he? If they (the Devs) don't say "Oh, Pujols should be a 99" than what did they say? Why IS he a 99? Don't tell me how I'm missing someone else's point, when you are missing mine

[ParisB]

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And you are missing my point
If people disagree that Pujols should be a 99 than why is he? If they (the Devs) don't say "Oh, Pujols should be a 99" than what did they say? Why IS he a 99? Don't tell me how I'm missing someone else's point, when you are missing mine

Because probably only a healthy Votto is better than him. People focus on his "decline" but overlook that he's still an elite player. He had a disastrous April last year for many reasons, yet still finished with solid numbers. From May through September he was as good as anyone. Unfortunately by then he was overshadowed by Trout, who established himself as the best all around player in baseball.

[ballaholic04]

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I think I am speaking for everyone when I say : "can you guys shut up!?".
Arguing over the overall ratings without seeing their attributes is silly.

[cardinalbird5]

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And you are missing my point
If people disagree that Pujols should be a 99 than why is he? If they (the Devs) don't say "Oh, Pujols should be a 99" than what did they say? Why IS he a 99? Don't tell me how I'm missing someone else's point, when you are missing mine

Because I have edited and trained enough players in DD to know what constitutes a 99 at the 1b position. I am guessing they most likely put his contact and plate disc higher than what it should be. As for centerfielders and SS's....it is really easy to make them 99's. It really is about speed, defense, baserunning, and contact for them.

You may be right though. I haven't seen his individual ratings. He may have things like durability, base running aggressiveness, and clutch be 90+ which doesn't do much for gameplay, but would certainly boost his overall.

Here is what Trout's and Pujols' offensive ratings should be IMO:

Contact vs RHP: 97
Contact vs LHP: 70
Power vs RHP: 95
Power vs LHP: 79
Plate vision: 72
Plate discipline: 80

Pujols:

Contact vs RHP: 77
Contact vs LHP: 79
Power vs RHP: 80
Power vs LHP: 98
Plate vision: 96
Plate discipline: 70

If they look something like that then I think it is fair. The thing is Trout is going to have a lot higher attributes in speed, baserunning, arm slightly, etc. Heck McCutchen ended up being a 99 overall last year and his offensive attributes aren't even that great. 77, 87, 62, 72, 68, 79 for contact, power, pvis, and pdisc. Trout was a 99 for the last roster update too. Thing is people go crazy over numbers for some reason, but they didn't complain once last year when they weren't used.

[Cavicchi]

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I can deal with Trout being a 99, but Chapman? How can a starter be 99 when all he did was relief work? Chapman is listed with pitchers, not closers.

[WickedFastball]

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I think I am speaking for everyone when I say : "can you guys shut up!?".
Arguing over the overall ratings without seeing their attributes is silly.

I agree, I am starting to think that there should be two "overall numbers" One for D and One for O. The two numbers shouldn't have any effect on one an other.

[WickedFastball]

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Because I have edited and trained enough players in DD to know what constitutes a 99 at the 1b position. I am guessing they most likely put his contact and plate disc higher than what it should be. As for centerfielders and SS's....it is really easy to make them 99's. It really is about speed, defense, baserunning, and contact for them.

You may be right though. I haven't seen his individual ratings. He may have things like durability, base running aggressiveness, and clutch be 90+ which doesn't do much for gameplay, but would certainly boost his overall.

Here is what Trout's and Pujols' offensive ratings should be IMO:

Contact vs RHP: 97
Contact vs LHP: 70
Power vs RHP: 95
Power vs LHP: 79
Plate vision: 72
Plate discipline: 80

Pujols:

Contact vs RHP: 77
Contact vs LHP: 79
Power vs RHP: 80
Power vs LHP: 98
Plate vision: 96
Plate discipline: 70

If they look something like that then I think it is fair. The thing is Trout is going to have a lot higher attributes in speed, baserunning, arm slightly, etc. Heck McCutchen ended up being a 99 overall last year and his offensive attributes aren't even that great. 77, 87, 62, 72, 68, 79 for contact, power, pvis, and pdisc. Trout was a 99 for the last roster update too. Thing is people go crazy over numbers for some reason, but they didn't complain once last year when they weren't used.

I don't think you and I are as far away in thinking as it seams.
I believe judging a player solely on one year is a little much, but I also think that in the future, perhaps ratings should be split into defense and offense, and not blended together to form one overall number.

[3fiddy]

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These ratings really look like they take into effect the last 3 years and IF the player can play lights out. Some of the 99s could play like a hall of famer one day an completely opposite the next. (Hamilton) Jeckyl and Hyde if you will. The 99 playing ability has to be unlocked even if they don't play that way all the time. Players that will win games single handidly. Which is why there are spots for Adam Dunn , Carlos Quentin. Maybe why the power Hitters rated so high.

[3fiddy]

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These ratings really look like they take into effect the last 3 years and IF the player can play lights out. Some of the 99s could play like a hall of famer one day an completely opposite the next. (Hamilton) Jeckyl and Hyde if you will. The 99 playing ability has to be unlocked even if they don't play that way all the time. Players that will win games single handidly. Which is why there are spots for Adam Dunn , Carlos Quentin. Maybe why the power Hitters rated so high.

I personally try to fill my team with players able to win the game alone and hopefully between 25 guys we get 90 wins.

[slickkill77]

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Is there an option to turn off number ratings? Hate it.

Yes. You can do just the bars

[Nooooovak]

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I think I am speaking for everyone when I say : "can you guys shut up!?".
Arguing over the overall ratings without seeing their attributes is silly.

Agreed. This is why I loved the bar system. Way less complaining.