MLB 13 The Show Player Ratings For Every Team

[Knight165]

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Yes. You can do just the bars

No...you cannot unfortunately.

M.K.
Knight165

[cardinalbird5]

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Just look at the bars and ignore the number. The overall means very little to me. McCutchen and Kemp are both 99's, but I'd take Kemp any day over him on this game.

[bayman]

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Time to go back to the drawing board for your ratings system when Darvish with his one ok year is rated higher than both Jered Weaver and Matt Cain who each have had much better seasons than his one year for each of the past 3 years. There isn't enough peripheral stats in the world to justify that balance.

[DanH35]

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Time to go back to the drawing board for your ratings system when Darvish with his one ok year is rated higher than both Jered Weaver and Matt Cain who each have had much better seasons than his one year for each of the past 3 years. There isn't enough peripheral stats in the world to justify that balance.

Looking at some of the stats, I'd pick Darvish over the other two. Going on last year's stats, Darvish had 5.1 fWAR, Cain had 3.8 (his career high was 5.0), and Weaver had 3.0 (his career high was 5.6). The only stat that I looked at where Cain and Weaver are clearly better was BB/9, where they were both 2 walks per 9 better than Darvish. Darvish had a clear advantage in K/9, in 2012, Darvish was at 10.4, Cain was 7.9, and Weaver was 6.7. They were all close in average against. Even though he pitches in a better hitters park, Darvish has a lower HR/9 (.66) than Cain (.86) and Weaver (.95).

I know that Darvish has only put those numbers up for one year, but in the past, The Show seemed to under-rate players with less experience, and I'm actually glad to see players like Harper, Trout, Medlen, and Darvish being given credited for the numbers they have put up.

[Cavicchi]

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Looking at some of the stats, I'd pick Darvish over the other two. Going on last year's stats, Darvish had 5.1 fWAR, Cain had 3.8 (his career high was 5.0), and Weaver had 3.0 (his career high was 5.6). The only stat that I looked at where Cain and Weaver are clearly better was BB/9, where they were both 2 walks per 9 better than Darvish. Darvish had a clear advantage in K/9, in 2012, Darvish was at 10.4, Cain was 7.9, and Weaver was 6.7. They were all close in average against. Even though he pitches in a better hitters park, Darvish has a lower HR/9 (.66) than Cain (.86) and Weaver (.95).

I know that Darvish has only put those numbers up for one year, but in the past, The Show seemed to under-rate players with less experience, and I'm actually glad to see players like Harper, Trout, Medlen, and Darvish being given credited for the numbers they have put up.

Well, Trout had Slugging at .598 and OPS at .998 and has power versus righties at 72.

[seanjeezy]

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Time to go back to the drawing board for your ratings system when Darvish with his one ok year is rated higher than both Jered Weaver and Matt Cain who each have had much better seasons than his one year for each of the past 3 years. There isn't enough peripheral stats in the world to justify that balance.

In The Show, ERA (which is what you seem to basing your argument on) is not an attribute, but K/9, BB/9, H/9, and HR/9 are... Darvish has a much higher K rate, lower HR rate, and a comparable average against compared to Weaver and Cain. He has a much higher walk rate but that's offset by the huge difference in strikeouts. Darvish also has much better stuff, so him being rated higher makes sense to me...

[cardinalbird5]

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Time to go back to the drawing board for your ratings system when Darvish with his one ok year is rated higher than both Jered Weaver and Matt Cain who each have had much better seasons than his one year for each of the past 3 years. There isn't enough peripheral stats in the world to justify that balance.

I'd take Darvish any day over Cain. Weaver it is close. Darvish pitches in one of the better hitter's parks and had incredible numbers. His strikeouts per nine was crazy!

[cardinalbird5]

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Well, Trout had Slugging at .598 and OPS at .998 and has power versus righties at 72.

Trout also had nearly a .600 SLG vs RHP. I projected him to have 90+ power, but I also bet a lot of his SLG points were due to his speed. I still feel like 72 is too low though. Curious to see what he hits vs lefties, because his SLG was nearly .100 lower.

[Cavicchi]

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Trout also had nearly a .600 SLG vs RHP. I projected him to have 90+ power, but I also bet a lot of his SLG points were due to his speed. I still feel like 72 is too low though. Curious to see what he hits vs lefties, because his SLG was nearly .100 lower.

What I posted above was Trout's numbers last year against righties. I also feel 72 versus righties for power is too low. I wonder what they gave Harper?

[cardinalbird5]

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Maybe they look at more than just SLG when it comes to power. A guy with 99 contact, 50 power, 99 speed playing at a big park would probably post a better slugging than someone with 70 contact 90 power 20 speed or something along those lines.

Theoretically, a great single hitter could have a slugging near .500-.600 range, but I don't think that justifies them being a 90+ in power.

With all that being said though, Trout did have 30+ HR's, so hopefully he will be 80+ against RHP with the updates.

[Cavicchi]

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Maybe they look at more than just SLG when it comes to power. A guy with 99 contact, 50 power, 99 speed playing at a big park would probably post a better slugging than someone with 70 contact 90 power 20 speed or something along those lines.

Theoretically, a great single hitter could have a slugging near .500-.600 range, but I don't think that justifies them being a 90+ in power.

With all that being said though, Trout did have 30+ HR's, so hopefully he will be 80+ against RHP with the updates.

From what I saw, Trout has 93 for speed.

[cardinalbird5]

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I saw too. I was just being hypothetical.

[bautistabomb]

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For the most part I think the rating for the Blue Jays are pretty accurate. A think Boni is rated a bit too high at 87, yet Lawrie is too low at 80. Would have also given Dickey a 97-98 rating as he did win the CY Young and was arguably the best pitcher in baseball the last 2 years. Overall i'm pretty satisfied and I like the fact that any player can be edited anyway. I still think that video games in general rate veterans way too highly. No way Arod and Jeter should be that high. They are both over the hill and have dropped off dramatically in the last few years.

[bayman]

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In The Show, ERA (which is what you seem to basing your argument on) is not an attribute, but K/9, BB/9, H/9, and HR/9 are... Darvish has a much higher K rate, lower HR rate, and a comparable average against compared to Weaver and Cain. He has a much higher walk rate but that's offset by the huge difference in strikeouts. Darvish also has much better stuff, so him being rated higher makes sense to me...

Ok fine I won't base my argument on ERA, which is a far more telling number of a pitchers contribution to his team winning the game then any of the things anyone else has pointed to. I'll point out the huge difference in WHIPs, which is again a far more telling stat of which player actually helps win the game. Pointing out K/9 is like saying that the guy in the NBA who scores 10 points is better than the guy who scores 30, because the guy who scored 10 had more dunks. If the argument is that Darvish has to be rated higher because of the attribute system, then the attribute system needs to be overhauled. Pitching is about getting guys out and not giving up runs period.

[seanjeezy]

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Ok fine I won't base my argument on ERA, which is a far more telling number of a pitchers contribution to his team winning the game then any of the things anyone else has pointed to. I'll point out the huge difference in WHIPs, which is again a far more telling stat of which player actually helps win the game. Pointing out K/9 is like saying that the guy in the NBA who scores 10 points is better than the guy who scores 30, because the guy who scored 10 had more dunks. If the argument is that Darvish has to be rated higher because of the attribute system, then the attribute system needs to be overhauled. Pitching is about getting guys out and not giving up runs period.

And how would they do this exactly? Have a WHIP rating? Nope, H/9 and BB/9 are already in the game. A rating for ERA? Nope, then the game would be scripted as ****, you can't slap a rating on something that relies on multiple components and is highly variable. I don't see any viable choices that I would consider "traditional", even the sabermetric ones are covered by the standard /9 ratings... If you're that strongly against Darvish being better then lower his command, it has a heavy influence on quality of contact, and therefore effects ERA. It won't drop his ratings that much but it will make him less effective.