2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[hradekbr]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Hey guys after weeks of testing I finally settled on the Rockies as the team I want to use in franchise mode. My first big move is to unload Tulo and CarGo. I wan't to get a fair return on both trades and also make them realistic. I am looking for prospects only (No players over 25 preferred except maybe to eat salary). I need pitching(preferably prospects who could have success in Coors (NO FLY BALL GUYS) and a franchise catcher, but I have needs virtually everywhere. I haven't even started spring training yet so ive narrowed the teams I think would pursue each player below:

Tulo: St Louis, Seattle, NY Mets, Boston, and maybe the Brewers (If I took on a lot of salary)

CarGo: Boston, Pittsburgh,NY Mets, Texas, Seattle, Tampa

I picked these teams based on need, prospect pool, and rumors I've heard

I feel like I have a decent grasp on trade value and using the spreadsheet but I have followed this thread greatly and I think that you guys obviously know what you're doing.

If you wouldn't mind giving me an idea of what team you recommend in a trade and the prospect package to go with it, it would be greatly appreciated. Really any help you can offer will be greatly appreciated. The more replies the better and I will be eternally grateful.

Tulo to STL for: Taveras, Wacha, and Adams

CarGo to TEX for: Perez, Olt, and Buckel

[AC]

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Span=Minor Leaguer IMO. his highs consist of .283/8/68 with a WAR high of 3.6 which is average.

Okay, one; the average player (NOT REPLACEMENT PLAYER) hovers around 2 wins. Two, you can't reference triple crown stats, and then reference WAR. Three, Rasmus <<<<<<< Span.

Are you suggesting I trade for Giolito? I think that's even less likely lol

How about

Jays: SP Dan Haren, 3B Anthony Rendon, SS Ian Desmond

Nats: SP Josh Johnson, SS Jose Reyes, ?

Nooooooooooooooooo.

I'm not sure about this. JJ would be a number 4 in Washington and they would be trading their top prospect. And especially with JJ being an upcoming free agent. I'm not sure about it but it could go either way.

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He'd have to have a ~3 ERA (god I hate that stat) and be putting up good K numbers while staying healthy.

Span better than Rasmus??? No. Compare the stats if you have time. Rasmus can actually hit for HR and average. The Nats overpaid ALOT, for a guy who I believe is putting up minor league numbers.


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Colby Rasmus, the same one who hit .230? Lol stop with the triple crown stats.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/there...rasmus-change/

Read this. If anything, Colby Rasmus isn't a major leaguer right now. Their defense is equal but Span is FAR better at hitting.

[CameRoN0407]

Okay, one; the average player (NOT REPLACEMENT PLAYER) hovers around 2 wins. Two, you can't reference triple crown stats, and then reference WAR. Three, Rasmus <<<<<<< Span.

Are you suggesting I trade for Giolito? I think that's even less likely lol



Nooooooooooooooooo.



He'd have to have a ~3 ERA (god I hate that stat) and be putting up good K numbers while staying healthy.



Colby Rasmus, the same one who hit .230? Lol stop with the triple crown stats.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/there...rasmus-change/

Read this. If anything, Colby Rasmus isn't a major leaguer right now. Their defense is equal but Span is FAR better at hitting.

I just don't think span is as great as everyone says he is. Well he did play for the twins. I didn't look at Rasmus' stats yet, as I were hoping they were on my side.

Anyways, this trade isn't realistic, and I know you base your trades off that.


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[TMJOHNS18]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Sounds like a good idea to wait and see how the market develops for him. Dangle him on the block in the meantime and see what teams that are showing interest in him through that channel. If you're gonna start him for another game or two, watch out for him being tired late in the games to try and avoid another injury.

I'd opt for some of the younger arms in the Braves minors rather than Minor. They've got some great pitchers coming up and considering you'll be building from the ground up and not necessarily looking for a major league arm, that's the way to go. I mean you'll still have Niemann, Cobb, Archer, Hernandez (Carmona) and a few other guys to round out the rotation with. Aim for the upside from their minors as you'll manage to put together a rotation for the rest of the season anyway with the arms you've got

Yeah, I actually ended up picking up Minor. Niemann was injured and with Hellickson's awful season (finished 3-12) I atleast got a low cost player in Minor who could step in as my #2.

Trade ended up being Price for Minor, SP Teheran, and C Bethancourt.

Sim'd pretty much of the rest of the season, played a few starts for Hernandez but being so far under .500 and at trade deadline not much hope left in season. Braves went on to win WS in game 7, Minor pitched opening day 2014 with a 2 hit shutout ... then a 5 run no decision. Going to play all Minors games in April before choosing a different pitcher, really like his changeup but man does he have 0 confidence in his 4seamer.

[YanksFan772]

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I assume you don't play with force trades on since you mentioned the Twins being stubborn about trading Plouffe?

By acquiring Plouffe, were you gonna change him back to his old SS position to fill the void you mention?

There's always Dee Gordon to be had for the price you mention. The A's have a surplus of middle infielders and the first names that comes to mind are Jemile Weeks and Scott Sizemore. Neither one is a direct SS but wouldn't it be sweet to pull an Atlanta and feature a pair of brothers on the field? Imagine having the Weeks brothers as your DP combo

Ya I didn't set it to force trades. Now that I think about it, I'll have to do that next time. I was gonna have him at short, but was thinking of moving him to third and putting Jean Segura at short. Either way, I just thought he fit in well with the lineup and adds some power. I tried to trade for Jemile haha. The A's are tricky because of their budget situation. And I guess they don't pay Jemile much at the moment.

[mgcst5]

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Tulo to STL for: Taveras, Wacha, and Adams

CarGo to TEX for: Perez, Olt, and Buckel

Thank you for the feedback. I am very high on Tavares but I am valuing pitching a lot more highly. Would Wacha, Rosenthal, Kelly, Wong for Tulo be a fair/realistic deal? I know its a lot of pitching but I figure Tavares is worth Rosenthal and Kelly or something similar.

As far as the Texas deal, I like both Buckel and Perez but I'm concerned there relative lack of height will lead to a higher fly ball ratio (obviously I know this is just a game but I am trying to think like a baseball exec.)

Note: I am really high on Kelly's power sinker playing in Coors

Boston is certainly an option like you wrote and the spreadsheet mentions A+A+B for Tulo and B+B+B+C for CarGo. For Tulo it's something like Bradley Jr, Bogaerts and De La Rosa. For CarGo you'd be looking at Buchholz, De La Rosa and someone else like Brock Holt. I do however feel like CarGo could fetch a better return than that...

On paper, the Cardinals are the best fit for Tulo if you ask me. Miller, Rosenthal and Wong might work

Thanks for the feedback. Do you think Cargo could fetch Bradley Jr + Ranaudo/Owens (or another B prospect) and maybe one of there Catchers like Swihart or Lavarnway?

[Totte]

Ya I didn't set it to force trades. Now that I think about it, I'll have to do that next time. I was gonna have him at short, but was thinking of moving him to third and putting Jean Segura at short. Either way, I just thought he fit in well with the lineup and adds some power. I tried to trade for Jemile haha. The A's are tricky because of their budget situation. And I guess they don't pay Jemile much at the moment.

Force trades is the way to go. You can always refer to the spreadsheet or general knowledge lurking in this thread if you need any input

So if you start Segura at SS and say Plouffe at 3B...where did Aramis go? Did you trade him already or should we help find a deal for him as well?

[mgcst5]

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Just one more thing I realize I have Rosario and plan to keep him long term but I (and many scouts believe) he will be a first baseman long term

Just a quick quote out of Lindy's baseball preview (something I've come to trust)

"They can hardly wait to get Rosario off catcher and out to first base. As much as he helps you with his power- and it's not just Coors Field power- he almost hurts you as much behind the plate. He doesn't even set up right half the time."

[YanksFan772]

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Force trades is the way to go. You can always refer to the spreadsheet or general knowledge lurking in this thread if you need any input

So if you start Segura at SS and say Plouffe at 3B...where did Aramis go? Did you trade him already or should we help find a deal for him as well?

Aramis is still on the roster, but he is barely hitting .200. I think he is in his early to mid thirties too, so I'd like to find a long term replacement at third base. Honestly, I didn't think I could get much for him, maybe a reliever. Probably will just let him walk in the offseason and use him on the bench for the rest of the year.

[Pesan915]

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Sup fellas,

I'm at the end of May in my Boston franchise and I was wondering what would it take to get either Tulo or CarGo from the Rockies? Thanks in advance.

[LifeOfAHooper27792]

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Quick question:

How do you guys handle trades a few years into your franchise? Values are obviously going to differ year to year, so I was wondering how you guys handle that while keeping things fair and realistic.

[LifeOfAHooper27792]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Sup fellas,

I'm at the end of May in my Boston franchise and I was wondering what would it take to get either Tulo or CarGo from the Rockies? Thanks in advance.

I think there are suggestions of some prospect packages to send in exchange for them above.

[hradekbr]

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Thank you for the feedback. I am very high on Tavares but I am valuing pitching a lot more highly. Would Wacha, Rosenthal, Kelly, Wong for Tulo be a fair/realistic deal? I know its a lot of pitching but I figure Tavares is worth Rosenthal and Kelly or something similar.

As far as the Texas deal, I like both Buckel and Perez but I'm concerned there relative lack of height will lead to a higher fly ball ratio (obviously I know this is just a game but I am trying to think like a baseball exec.)

Note: I am really high on Kelly's power sinker playing in Coors



Thanks for the feedback. Do you think Cargo could fetch Bradley Jr + Ranaudo/Owens (or another B prospect) and maybe one of there Catchers like Swihart or Lavarnway?

For Tulo how about Miller, Wacha, and Rosenthal.

And Cargo how about Ranaudo, Owens, and Webster

[Totte]

Aramis is still on the roster, but he is barely hitting .200. I think he is in his early to mid thirties too, so I'd like to find a long term replacement at third base. Honestly, I didn't think I could get much for him, maybe a reliever. Probably will just let him walk in the offseason and use him on the bench for the rest of the year.

Depending on where you are in the schedule, you could probably get a decent prospect for Aramis if you ship him to a contender by late June and on. Sure, a stinking .200 average won't help boost his value but still, the guy has a track record.

As for your desire about a long term 3B replacement, did you try get either Juan Francisco (ATL) or Brent Morel (CWS)? Neither one is a stud by any means but they'd come relatively cheap and if you're lucky, they could grow into an everyday role for you. You mentioned searching for a power bat so Francisco is the better fit...come to think about it, the Braves need a 3B and they're contending in almost every franchise I've seen or read about. What about sending them Aramis for Francisco and Jonny Venters? Venters value is a bit down with his arm trouble and "bad" 2012 season. Would give you a fairly young, power hitting 3B and a nice lefty for the pen with SU potential while saving quite a few dollars with Aramis packing his bags

[mgcst5]

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For Tulo how about Miller, Wacha, and Rosenthal.

And Cargo how about Ranaudo, Owens, and Webster

Not bad ideas I do want pitching more than anything, but I have a ton of holes to fill so I'm hoping to try to grab at least one position prospect in each of these deals. I am really high on Wacha, Rosenthal, and Kelly, but I feel like I need a position prospect to complete the deal

As far as the Cargo trade, I actually am targeting a the Red Sox explicitly since they have a deep catching pool and Jackie Bradley Jr.