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  • ubernoob
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    • Jul 2004
    • 15522

    #3916
    Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

    Originally posted by WaitTilNextYear
    Seriously? What do you think his valuation depends on? What's NOT happening in real life? Should we just be blindfolded to how Harvey's performing and his value will be forever set at preseason 2013? That's kind of blaspheming realism in my opinion.

    We have more data on Harvey now, and people will rightly use it to evaluate him in that respect.
    Because the way he is pitching this year isn't programmed into the game with the OSFM rosters. The way he was projected as pitching is.

    If you say that Harvey is having an absolute breakout year and are surprised by this, then yes. When you start a game with OSFM (which isn't re-rated save for potentials) sim a season and see if Harvey ever pitches (or has attributes for this year) like he is in real life.

    I can go to OOTP and trade for Harvey pretty easy. Why? Because that's what his ratings are set at. It happening magically in real life doesn't mean the game has it set like that.

    In short, if your rosters are from the pre-season (or whenever you have them updated to) then yes, value him at that point in time. You're talking about a digital piece of code that is programmed to act in a certain way, not the real life player.
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    • WaitTilNextYear
      Go Cubs Go
      • Mar 2013
      • 16830

      #3917
      Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

      Originally posted by ubernoob
      Because the way he is pitching this year isn't programmed into the game with the OSFM rosters. The way he was projected as pitching is.

      If you say that Harvey is having an absolute breakout year and are surprised by this, then yes. When you start a game with OSFM (which isn't re-rated save for potentials) sim a season and see if Harvey ever pitches (or has attributes for this year) like he is in real life.

      I can go to OOTP and trade for Harvey pretty easy. Why? Because that's what his ratings are set at. It happening magically in real life doesn't mean the game has it set like that.

      In short, if your rosters are from the pre-season (or whenever you have them updated to) then yes, value him at that point in time. You're talking about a digital piece of code that is programmed to act in a certain way, not the real life player.
      I don't know, that seems like a specious argument. Harvey doesn't have a "correct" statistical outcome, regardless of what SCEA thought he would do. This is especially true if you are USER controlling him, there will be a wide range of possible outcomes--only partially depending on his ratings, mostly depending on USER skill.

      But, Harvey has all the weapons at his disposal in the game to make him great, and who knows? Maybe a sim would mirror his performance in real life.

      With his success in real life, and with his arsenal in game (which is what leads to his success in real life, especially with the pitch edits version of the roster--but not necessarily limited to that roster set), I think it's fair to pay the current Harvey price (IRL) if one wants to trade for him.

      Would you have been able to justify paying a 2012 preseason price for Trout in the midst of his historic season last year just because if you simmed with him, he might not hit .330 with 30 HRs and 40 SBs? Doubt it. You'd be a cheeser if you did that.

      With regard to you being able to nab him in OOTP, that's irrelevant because the whole reason this thread even exists is because the trade AI in these games is so terrible. So, backing your argument up with flawed trade logic is like trying to make 2 wrongs make a right, with all do respect.
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      • ubernoob
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        • Jul 2004
        • 15522

        #3918
        Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

        By your logic then, someone's stats in the game shouldn't matter when discussing trades when talking about trade deadline trades done in the game because that's discounting what's happening in real life.

        Yes, I would be able to justify paying 2012 preseason price for Trout last year if I started a game in the middle of the season - only if I were using 2012 preseason rosters, though.
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        • nowitsourtime
          Banned
          • Oct 2011
          • 876

          #3919
          Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread


          Thanks for the feedback.

          They way Hutlzen is pitching in my Franchise, I don't plan on dealing him. He could be my #2 if I don't resign Iwakuma to a long term deal. Right now both Walker and Paxton are struggling, but so is Rendon in my Franchise. The crazy thing is that in 2 different Franchises I was messing with before I started posting my newest M's Franchise both Rendon and Skole were available in the Rule 5 draft.
          Poor CPU logic there...

          I feel that trading Paxton for Rendon is too little but Walker for Rendon is too much. If you would feel comfortable in trading Walker for Rendon, it's more than fair but from what I've seen, Walker is the most prized of the 3 pitching prospects for the Mariners and is higher on prospect boards than Rendon

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          • WaitTilNextYear
            Go Cubs Go
            • Mar 2013
            • 16830

            #3920
            Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

            Originally posted by ubernoob
            By your logic then, someone's stats in the game shouldn't matter when discussing trades when talking about trade deadline trades done in the game because that's discounting what's happening in real life.

            Yes, I would be able to justify paying 2012 preseason price for Trout last year if I started a game in the middle of the season - only if I were using 2012 preseason rosters, though.
            I'm not sure where I said that. But we'll just have to agree to
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            • LifeOfAHooper27792
              Rookie
              • Apr 2013
              • 162

              #3921
              Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

              Originally posted by ubernoob
              Because the way he is pitching this year isn't programmed into the game with the OSFM rosters. The way he was projected as pitching is.

              If you say that Harvey is having an absolute breakout year and are surprised by this, then yes. When you start a game with OSFM (which isn't re-rated save for potentials) sim a season and see if Harvey ever pitches (or has attributes for this year) like he is in real life.

              I can go to OOTP and trade for Harvey pretty easy. Why? Because that's what his ratings are set at. It happening magically in real life doesn't mean the game has it set like that.

              In short, if your rosters are from the pre-season (or whenever you have them updated to) then yes, value him at that point in time. You're talking about a digital piece of code that is programmed to act in a certain way, not the real life player.
              Harvey won a Cy Young my first season with my Mets franchise I did a while back. If you sim the season, you're going to see different results.
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              • Jcrome
                Rookie
                • May 2013
                • 135

                #3922
                Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                Originally posted by nowitsourtime
                Not the Mets. Why would a team that's trying to rebuild sell the farm for Stanton? He's not going to put them over the top, there's no point in the Mets giving all of their top prospects

                Mariners and Rangers would be the most realistic options for Stanton. Both are looking to compete and have the farm to pull off a trade



                That is true, although Harvey is still an 80+ ovr pitcher with a high A potential. He's still valuable in the game.
                Actually the mets have concidered trading both wheeler and d'arnaud earlier in the year and were thinking of making an offer for Stanton

                And yea I would say u would base Harvey's value on his preason ecpectation or stats in the franchise not how he's doing in real life, but I am using the osfm hybrid v1.3 where he is a 93 so he might be to valuable to part of the trade

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                • AC
                  Win the East
                  • Sep 2010
                  • 14951

                  #3923
                  Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                  Originally posted by WaitTilNextYear
                  Seriously? What do you think his valuation depends on? What's NOT happening in real life? Should we just be blindfolded to how Harvey's performing and his value will be forever set at preseason 2013? That's kind of blaspheming realism in my opinion.

                  We have more data on Harvey now, and people will rightly use it to evaluate him in that respect.
                  But you have to regard what's happening in the guys' franchise, too...? That's kinda more important than real life...?

                  Harvey + Nimmo + Flores for Stanton is fair, as is Wheeler + d'Arnaud + Nimmo + Flores + something else. Harvey's really valuable.
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                  • colbyw1213
                    Rookie
                    • May 2013
                    • 10

                    #3924
                    Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                    In my pirates chise I traded Locke heredia and a c prospect for asdrubal Cabrera, but now I just can't play with Snider. What should I get for him?

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                    • AC
                      Win the East
                      • Sep 2010
                      • 14951

                      #3925
                      Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                      Originally posted by colbyw1213
                      In my pirates chise I traded Locke heredia and a c prospect for asdrubal Cabrera, but now I just can't play with Snider. What should I get for him?
                      Scott Feldman from the Cubs?
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                      • stlducks
                        MVP
                        • Mar 2010
                        • 2888

                        #3926
                        Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                        What are the realistic chances of the Reds trading Billy Hamilton to the Cardinals? I am going to say there is zero percent chance, but if there was for some reason, what would be a fair trade?

                        As everyone knows the Cards have no speed and I really want to get someone who can pinch run late in games for those key stolen bases and Danny Descalso is terrible for me right now so I am thinking of trading him or sending him down to AAA so that frees up a roster spot.
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                        • colbyw1213
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                          • May 2013
                          • 10

                          #3927
                          Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                          Originally posted by ACMilan99
                          Scott Feldman from the Cubs?
                          That might not be bad is there anyone I could get that is a younger c prospect with a decent reptoirre?

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                          • colbyw1213
                            Rookie
                            • May 2013
                            • 10

                            #3928
                            Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                            Originally posted by ACMilan99
                            Scott Feldman from the Cubs?
                            That might not be bad is there anyone I could get that is a younger c prospect maybe?

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                            • AC
                              Win the East
                              • Sep 2010
                              • 14951

                              #3929
                              Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                              Originally posted by colbyw1213
                              That might not be bad is there anyone I could get that is a younger c prospect with a decent reptoirre?
                              Jake Arrieta comes to mind immediately but I'm not sure if he's a C.
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                              • cardinal511
                                Rookie
                                • Apr 2012
                                • 205

                                #3930
                                Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                                Originally posted by stlducks
                                What are the realistic chances of the Reds trading Billy Hamilton to the Cardinals? I am going to say there is zero percent chance, but if there was for some reason, what would be a fair trade?

                                As everyone knows the Cards have no speed and I really want to get someone who can pinch run late in games for those key stolen bases and Danny Descalso is terrible for me right now so I am thinking of trading him or sending him down to AAA so that frees up a roster spot.
                                Realistically there's a 0% chance that something like that happens. Many Cards fans hate the Reds now more than the Cubs, and recent history hasn't exactly been good. Try picking up someone like Eric Young Jr. or Jarrod Dyson if you want a quick runner, they shouldn't cost that much, significantly less than Hamilton, with no trouble of inter-division trading.

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