2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[AC]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Ok bad news, Liddi went on the DL while he was cold, and got moved down to a High C. I may need to pursue a different 3rd base option for next year. Any suggestions?

Who are you willing to give up?

[bwoodring9]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Who are you willing to give up?

Potentially Rollins, Cloyd, Adam Morgan, Ruf, Bastardo, and maybe Aumont.

[AC]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Potentially Rollins, Cloyd, Adam Morgan, Ruf, Bastardo, and maybe Aumont.

Eh, giving up a starter would really help...

Matt Carpenter? Jedd Gyorko? Matt Dominiguez? Mike Olt? Jimmy Paredes?

[bwoodring9]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Eh, giving up a starter would really help...

Matt Carpenter? Jedd Gyorko? Matt Dominiguez? Mike Olt? Jimmy Paredes?

I'd give up Lannan....lol. I think carpenter could be a good plug in for a few years. Like I said, Liddi was supposed to be that guy but he's out for the season and got hurt while he was cold haha.

[k_mac]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Alright, good luck with your long day. I won't be on until somewhat late so I'll try and catch up. Don't make any Jays moves without me!

No problem, man, and I've got some extra motivation to help you 'cause your dynasty is so damn good lol.

I went ahead and simmed to the deadline, and Garza made another two starts. I was in the first week of July. Luckily for me, Garza was hot, and made two great starts against the Pirates and Cardinals. Here's his final stats before the deadline

8-7, 120.2 IP, 3.28 ERA, 114:26 K/BB, 1.26 WHIP, 1 shutout, 3.440 ERC, 2.942 DIPS, 1.160 PFR, .328 BIPA, 8.50 K/9.

For a comparison, here's Clayton Kershaw and Zack Greinke's stats so far.

8-7, 122.2 IP, 3.45 ERA, 123:43 K/BB, 1.20 WHIP, 2.924 ERC, 3.212 DIPS, 1.353 PFR, .293 BIPA, 9.02 K/9

5-4, 116.1 IP, 2.79 ERA, 106:33 K/BB, 1.16 WHIP, 2.947 ERC, 3.258 DIPS, 1.195 PFR, .292 BIPA, 8.20 K/9

[BlueJays09]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Do you have DH turned on for both leagues?

I think that could work, but I don't think the Giants should throw in a lesser reliever.

Santos + Boni for Blanco?

Generally that would be an overpay for Blanco, but if he is one of their top hitters this season, I don't really see them trading him away.. especially when they are probably set up for a playoff race.

In my opinion, they definitely should trade to get some help offensively and bullpen wise, but I would think they would want to keep Blanco in this case.

I guess throwing in a lesser reliever might work, but it would have to be their worst reliever. Or if you threw in Davis, you could get a decent reliever in return and possibly a prospect.

What is the rest of Blanco's stats? average, OBP, ect.

With Pence and Pagan struggling I think that makes Blanco even more valuable to them.

Ya I could throw Davis or Rasmus maybe give them a starting LF, upgrade at 2nd and some bullpen help...I have some relievers I can call up so how about this:

Davis OR Rasmus+Santos+Boni for Blanco+Arias? Arias batting .200 and would serve as a utility guy for me, Giants get 2 offensive players (Davis playing well for me but is in a time share with Rasmus or I could give Rasmus if you think thats better. I dont know the rest of Blanco stats off hand but I could get them for you when I get on the box. Fair? what could I do to edit if not? Plus this is not a for sure deal just something Im thinking of.

[AC]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

I went ahead and simmed to the deadline[...]

Sit tight, I'm working on a rather long post lol.

[bwoodring9]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Eh, giving up a starter would really help...

Matt Carpenter? Jedd Gyorko? Matt Dominiguez? Mike Olt? Jimmy Paredes?

Just go by spreadsheet values for Carpenter I'm guessing? He seems like someone who the cardinals would give up for a few pieces. I'm just trying to think of what positions to give them.

[AC]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

k_mac, I swear, I'm almost done! Lol this is a really long one.

Just go by spreadsheet values for Carpenter I'm guessing? He seems like someone who the cardinals would give up for a few pieces. I'm just trying to think of what positions to give them.

If you gave them Rollins you could probably grab Carpenter and a little something extra.

[bwoodring9]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

k_mac, I swear, I'm almost done! Lol this is a really long one.



If you gave them Rollins you could probably grab Carpenter and a little something extra.

Hmmm, I'm not sure. Rollins is batting .340 with 9 HRs and 29 RBIs,
So he's been really good for me. But at the same time that means I could get a better return for him

[k_mac]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

k_mac, I swear, I'm almost done! Lol this is a really long one.

You're good man, I just realized I didn't get the Jays stats up. I'll work on that directly.

[Lewisf33]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Spring training with marlins. Traded nolasco lomo polanco ozuna Sam dyson to tex for olt Perez ross and mid c RP

Thoughts?

[AC]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

I went ahead and simmed to the deadline, and Garza made another two starts. I was in the first week of July. Luckily for me, Garza was hot, and made two great starts against the Pirates and Cardinals. Here's his final stats before the deadlineK/9

Okay, perfect, thanks for all of the important stats. I'm going to get rid of any stats that I don't care about.

Stats:

Spoiler

Garza: 120.2 IP, 114:26 K/BB, 2.942 DIPS, 1.160 PFR, .328 BIPA, 8.50 K/9.

Kershaw: 122.2 IP, 123:43 K/BB, 3.212 DIPS, 1.353 PFR, .293 BIPA, 9.02 K/9

Greinke: 116.1 IP, 106:33 K/BB, 3.258 DIPS, 1.195 PFR, .292 BIPA, 8.20 K/9

Well, It's somewhat safe to say that Garza's the best of these players for this season only.

So, we have a great-playing rental pitcher who will obviously need to be traded to a contender, whom you have listed as Red Sox, Yankees, Jays, Twins, Indians, Angels, Rangers, Braves, Nationals, Phillies, Reds, Brewers, Cardinals, Diamondbacks, and Dodgers. I'm going to eliminate teams that have an extreme surplus of pitching or don't have the farm system to support an acquisition.

So your trade options are Red Sox, Yankees, Jays, Indians, Rangers, Braves, Nationals, and Dodgers.

Now, let's look at some precedent for great rental pitchers traded. Some of the prospect potentials and trade opinions may be veered a bit by hindsight. If anyone has a better memory than I and objects to my rankings/trade opinions, please do speak up because you're probably right, lol.

Spoiler

Zack Greinke, 2012: Was acquired for Juan Segura (Low A), Johnny Hellweg (Low B), and Ariel Pena (Mid C). Was pitching to a 2.53 FIP, 4:36 K/BB. Generally viewed as an even trade.

C.C. Sabatha, 2008: Was acquired for Matt LaPorta (High B), Michael Brantley (High B), Zack Jackson (Mid B), and Rob Bryson (mid C). Pitching to the tune of a 3.41 xFIP. Was generally viewed as an even trade IIRC.

David Cone, 1992: Yes, as a Blue Jays fan, I kinda had to get this one in, lol. Was acquired for Jeff Kent (mid A) and Ryan Thompson (mid C). Pitching to a 2.79 FIP. Was generally viewed as a bit of an overpay but understandable given the circumstances.

Cliff Lee, 2009: Was acquired for Carlos Carrasco (Low A), Jason Donald (High B), Lou Marson (Low B), and Jason Knapp (High C). Pitching to a 3.89 xFIP. Was generally viewed as a slight overpay.

Cliff Lee, 2010: Was acquired for J. C. Ramírez (Low B), Phillippe Aumont (High B) and Tyson Gillies (High B). Had pitched to a 3.64 xFIP. Viewed as underpay. *This trade was completed in the offseason and not at midseason, but was still a rental.

Cliff Lee, 2010 v2: Was acquired for Justin Smoak (Mid A), Blake Beavan (Mid B), Josh Lueke (Lowmid B), and Matt Lawson. (High C). Was pitching 3.02 xFIP. Generally viewed as even if not an overpay.

Okay, jeebus, that took a while and a lot of work lol. So, generally, for performing pitchers you're going to get at least a high B, mid B, and high C. However, it's fairly reasonable to state that Garza is performing better Sabathia and Cliff Lee. Garza's track record isn't quite as good as Sabathia's was at the time but C.C. had been pitching in a HR suppressing park and Lee had had that one horrawful year. So the remaining eligible trades are (Low A, low B, mid C) and (mid A, mid C).

The trades are about equal so it's really a matter of preference- do you want a mid A, or do you want a low A but an extra low B? Since you're you and I'm not lol, I'll put together trades involving both possibilities. (In some cases, the package is made to be equal to the value, but doesn't follow it exactly)

Trade options for the Low A, low B, mid C package:

Spoiler

Red Sox: Allen Webster, Bryce Brentz, Brandon Workman/Drake Britton.
Yankees: Gary Sanchez, Angelo Gumbs, Mark Montgomery.
Jays: Roberto Osuna, A.J. Jimenez, Kevin Pillar.
Indians: Dorssys Paulino, Tyler Naquin, Dillon Howard.
Rangers: Leonys Martin, Jorge Alfaro/Joey Gallo, Leury Garcia.
Braves: Julio Teheran, Sean Gilmartin, Bryan De La Rosa.
Nationals: Lucas Giolito, Sandy Leon, Esterlin Martinez
Dodgers: Yaisel Puig, Chris Reed, Jesmuel Valentin.

Trade options for Mid A, Mid C package:

Spoiler

Red Sox: Matt Barnes, Peter Hissey
Yankees: Gary Sanchez, Corey Black
Jays: Anthony Gose, Tyler Gonzales.
Indians: Trevor Bauer, Kyle Bellows.
Rangers: Mike Olt, Nicholas Tepesch.
Braves: Julio Teheran, Lucas Sims, Alex Wood.
Nationals: Lucas Giolito, Matt Skole.
Dodgers: Zach Lee, Corey Seager.

So there you have it. If you'll notice, I did go back on what I said about Lee and Seager due to my not realizing how good Garza's been. I'll specify that the Washington ones may not be the most realistic, same with the second Indians one. I don't like the first Indians one for you and I don't like either Yankees one. The Red Sox ones aren't the greatest, either. And I don't think the Dodgers deal Puig. If I were you, I'd go for maybe one of the Rangers packages, the first Blue Jays package, maybe a Braves one, but if I were you, I think I'd go for the LAD one, but that's just me.

If anyone notices any errors in this, point 'em out.

[AC]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

You're good man, I just realized I didn't get the Jays stats up. I'll work on that directly.

No problem, take your time. As you can see, the Garza evaluation is up, hope you like it.

[37]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Spring training with marlins. Traded nolasco lomo polanco ozuna Sam dyson to tex for olt Perez ross and mid c RP

Thoughts?

bad trade for the Rangers