2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[WaitTilNextYear]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

wRC+ is a decent stat, but it doesn't really weight properly how terrible Colvin was away from Coors.

Colvin's home/road splits were much more exaggerated than 'park adjustment' can account for: wRC+ = 83 (away) wRC+ = 151 (home). His home split was fueled by a .413 BABIP. What to do when a players' split is more pronounced than the park factor. Sabermetrics fail.

Could you please remind me how all this Coors Field production is relevant to a Cubs fan, considering the Cubs play 3 games a year there?

If you take Colvin away from Coors (like these trade proposals are suggesting) he loses 100% of his value. That's my point.

[G3no_11]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

1, he's got negative value.

2, what 4 positions?

All 3 OF positions and 1B

[WaitTilNextYear]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

LeMahieu is a great defensive infielder and steady hitter. Colvin can play 4 positions at a high level and has power. What did the Rockies give up? a career AAA middle reliever and a 3B that is hitting below .200 in AAA.

So I guess you could say the Cubs got garbage, the Rockies at least gained depth and as of right now they got a starting 2B out of the deal who has a career .995 fielding% at 2B.

Let me know when LeMahieu gets an extra base knock. It's up there with Sasquatch sightings.

Saying 4 positions is cheating when 3 of them are in the OF. And CF, really? Really?

Also let me know when I should be excited about 2 of the worst teams in the NL last year making lateral moves.

[AC]

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wRC+ is a decent stat, but it doesn't really weight properly how terrible Colvin was away from Coors.

I was going to argue this, but;

All 3 OF positions and 1B

We're now to the point where we're arguing Tyler Colvin can play center field at a high level, so I think I'm gonna take a little break for tonight, lol.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Good call! I was thinking the same. I had visions of Mike Olt running through my head. And with Tyler Colvin, Lawd knows I've gone over this to infinity already on cubs.com.

[AC]

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mlb.com team boards are hell.

I dare you, go look at the Blue Jays' one. It's a literal mental institution. We had to create an entire new board.

[G3no_11]

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Let me know when LeMahieu gets an extra base knock. It's up there with Sasquatch sightings.

Saying 4 positions is cheating when 3 of them are in the OF. And CF, really? Really?

Also let me know when I should be excited about 2 of the worst teams in the NL last year making lateral moves.

1. I'll take a steady singles hitter, that puts the ball in play, and doesn't commit errors at 2B.

2. Saying 4 positions is cheating to an extent, but it should be noted that he can play all 3 OF positions and 1B. Many of the 1B/OF players can only play RF or LF/RF, Colvin started in CF a decent amount of times last year.

3. Key word is last year.

[G3no_11]

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We're now to the point where we're arguing Tyler Colvin can play center field at a high level, so I think I'm gonna take a little break for tonight, lol.

Not a bad idea lol. I don't even know how this started... I guess me saying the Rockies would rather play Colvin at 1B than Wallace?

And for the record I'm not saying Colvin is a gold glove caliber player at all 4 positions, but he certainly isn't a vulnerability (I can't think of another word lol) at any of the 4.

[Dapilky]

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AC,

Thank you so much for your feedback on my jay's franchise.

Oakland would have been perfect, but I have budgets turned on and there was no way to make it work as encarnacion has a 16.5 mil price tag.

I have located only 3 teams I think could work and actually have the room.

Texas (I heard that sigh from here, no this will in no way include me trying to convince you or myself they would trade profar)

Holland is their fifth starter on here (osfm v2) and he fits perfectly. I would also throw in Luke Jackson (high b). But I cannot find anything else to make this trade palatable from the jays stand point. For Texas, they are getting a first baseman and moving Berkman to DH. This gives them the most potent line up I have seen in some time while retaining profar and olt. Their number 9 hitter hit .304 last year.

Colorado

Chacin, brothers, story and eyjr.

It's everything they have, but if they thought it would push them past San Fran or LA in to the playoffs they might do it, especially if I packaged back a fifth or sixth starter with Edwin. It is a stretch I know.

San Diego

Uhhhhm well anything and everything not named Headley, leubke or gyorko.

Oh, I forgot the Yankees. I will be putting in the injuries when it comes time to start season 1 so they might do it but I am sure Toronto would not. And it makes no sense for Houston, Miami or Pittsburgh. Unless Pitt thinks it can contend now because they almost won 80 games last year, or Houston wants to make some kind of statement as they enter the AL.

Anybody got any ideas?

Again looking to unload Encarnacion from Toronto, and anyone else over 30 for that matter for starting pitching that is second tier 83-90 with a or b potential) but young, pitching prospects and possibly young (25ish) defensive minded infielders.

[AC]

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Texas (I heard that sigh from here, no this will in no way include me trying to convince you or myself they would trade profar)

Olt (ugh his name in this thread) would probably be a good piece for you if you want to move Lawrie to second. Olt, Sardinas is another piece, as is Justin Grimm, Leonys Martin, Cody Beuckel, Martin Perez, etc, etc.

Holland is their fifth starter on here (osfm v2) and he fits perfectly. I would also throw in Luke Jackson (high b). But I cannot find anything else to make this trade palatable from the jays stand point. For Texas, they are getting a first baseman and moving Berkman to DH. This gives them the most potent line up I have seen in some time while retaining profar and olt. Their number 9 hitter hit .304 last year.

Holland + Olt?

Colorado

Chacin, brothers, story and eyjr.

Pomeranz + Story + Chacin?

San Diego

They have Alonso.

Oh, I forgot the Yankees. I will be putting in the injuries when it comes time to start season 1 so they might do it but I am sure Toronto would not. And it makes no sense for Houston, Miami or Pittsburgh. Unless Pitt thinks it can contend now because they almost won 80 games last year, or Houston wants to make some kind of statement as they enter the AL.

Yankees for Sanchez and Heathcott, or Pittsburgh for Hansen and Polanco?

[nowitsourtime]

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What do you think I can add to make it better? Also Marte is in AAA and only 71 OVR-- they are 3 GB out of division and 4 out of wildcard. Snider is also doing terrible right now.

The only cubs OF that could get a B potential is Soriano and you traded him... Darwin Barney maybe could get him but the Buccos don't have a use for him.

If you're dead set on getting McPherson for an OF, I don't know one that's not a prospect that can get him

[Bard]

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So just coming back from that Papelbon for Perez deal.

Papelbon in his first full year with Rangers: 2-1, 57 SV, 63 K, 1.58 ERA

Perez Rookie year: 6-15, 5 ERA, 140 K

[KingFry]

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[KingFry]

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The only cubs OF that could get a B potential is Soriano and you traded him... Darwin Barney maybe could get him but the Buccos don't have a use for him.

If you're dead set on getting McPherson for an OF, I don't know one that's not a prospect that can get him

Hmm. Do you think I can strike a deal for any other B POT SP?

[k_mac]

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What do you think I can add to make it better? Also Marte is in AAA and only 71 OVR-- they are 3 GB out of division and 4 out of wildcard. Snider is also doing terrible right now. Also, who do you think I can make a trade with if Pitt doesn't work?

If you're still trying to trade Shierholtz/Hairston, look to the Angels, as one could fit in as a 4th OF. Schierholtz probably has more value, unless Hairston is raking. The spreadsheet says mid C, but if either one is playing good, I don't think a high to mid C would be out of the question. Think of getting someone back like Kole Calhoun, Alex Yarbrough (would be great for INF depth at MLB level. Rated about 70), pitchers R.J. Alvarez, Austin Wood, Mark Sappington, or Alfonso Alcantra.

Also, the Angels would be a fit for Marmol too, since we were about this close to getting Dan Haren for him during the offseason. Nothing more than a high C, and that's if Marmol is pitching great.