2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[AC]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

LOL, Adam Wilk is actually in the Tigers org, but you must've seen him in my Astros 'chise (traded for him).

I'm high on Cosart but with a delivery and command more conducive to turning into a pen arm, I'm not so sure he has the level of value you're thinking he does.

Oh god that's embarrassing hahaha.

At this point in time, he's certainly more valuable than Friedrich.

[G3no_11]

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The main reason for this is actually Colvin = sucks.

I agree about Brett Wallace, especially after basically giving him a 5-month audition and seeing him hit .190 in my 'chise.
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Eh you're a Cubs fan... of course he sucks to you. The point of my last 3 posts was just saying that Colvin is better than Wallace. That's not hard to do... which is why as a Rockies fan, I would rather just not have Wallace at all and move Pacheco to 1B.

[AC]

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Eh you're a Cubs fan... of course he sucks to you. The point of my last 3 posts was just saying that Colvin is better than Wallace. That's not hard to do... which is why as a Rockies fan, I would rather just not have Wallace at all and move Pacheco to 1B.

I'm a Blue Jays fan, and a fairly big Cubs fan, and I think I can objectively state that Colvin was pretty freaking great last year. 117 wRC+. Huge wOBA. He had a high BABIP (which I can regress if you want) but he really shouldn't be in AAA, and if there's any way he can get playing time, it should be looked into.

[AC]

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Fun fact: Tyler Colvin lead the league in getting on base by catcher interference last year, lol.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/tyler...league-leader/

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Eh you're a Cubs fan... of course he sucks to you. The point of my last 3 posts was just saying that Colvin is better than Wallace. That's not hard to do... which is why as a Rockies fan, I would rather just not have Wallace at all and move Pacheco to 1B.

I'm a Blue Jays fan, and a fairly big Cubs fan, and I think I can objectively state that Colvin was pretty freaking great last year. 117 wRC+. Huge wOBA. He had a high BABIP (which I can regress if you want) but he really shouldn't be in AAA, and if there's any way he can get playing time, it should be looked into.

Nope, rechecked my formulas, Colvin = sucks is a legit equation.

[kylefoley94]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

what would the value of Ellsbury be? if it's not that high who could I include to get more back in return

[KingFry]

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Relievers just don't hold much value unless they're an all-star closer.

McPherson holds some potential to be a solid starter and the only OF that the Cubs have worth a B is Soriano and you already traded him.

And is Hairston/Schierholtz really that much better than Marte? More
relievers really don't add that much. Quality, not quantity

What do you think I can add to make it better? Also Marte is in AAA and only 71 OVR-- they are 3 GB out of division and 4 out of wildcard. Snider is also doing terrible right now.

[G3no_11]

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To the Rockies fan, I still maintain that Tyler Colvin and DJ LeMaheiu are no great prize........Ian Stewart sucks too, sure, but....

Colvin is no more than a borderline 4th OF thrust into a perfect situation (Coors and playing time). His K rate is

^This is the only reason I brought up him being a Cubs fan lol. I think someone is a little bitter about the trade... (Colvin + LeMaheiu for Casey Weathers + Ian Stewart)

[WaitTilNextYear]

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^This is the only reason I brought up him being a Cubs fan lol. I think someone is a little bitter about the trade... (Colvin + LeMaheiu for Casey Weathers + Ian Stewart)

There are some Cubs fans who are bitter, but they don't know how to read stats properly. Me personally, how could I be bitter if we didn't give up anything? That trade was basically garbage for garbage as far as I'm considered.

[AC]

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One does not simply ignore that wRC+ is a context adjusted statistic that Colvin was 17 points above average in

[AC]

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but they don't know how to read stats properly.

I don't think you should be talking here lol, you completely ignored his park-adjusted 117 wRC+.

[G3no_11]

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There are some Cubs fans who are bitter, but they don't know how to read stats properly. Me personally, how could I be bitter if we didn't give up anything? That trade was basically garbage for garbage as far as I'm considered.

LeMahieu is a great defensive infielder and steady hitter. Colvin can play 4 positions at a high level and has power. What did the Rockies give up? a career AAA middle reliever and a 3B that is hitting below .200 in AAA.

So I guess you could say the Cubs got garbage, the Rockies at least gained depth and as of right now they got a starting 2B out of the deal who has a career .995 fielding% at 2B.

[AC]

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Colvin can play 4 positions at a high level and has power.

Okay, wait, what?

[G3no_11]

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Okay, wait, what?

I'm not saying gold glove level lol..

maybe above average would be better than saying high? lol

[AC]

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I'm not saying gold glove level lol..

maybe above average would be better than saying high? lol

1, he's got negative value.

2, what 4 positions?