2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[Coper3000]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Think you mean Ronald Guzman...

Edited. Thanks. Been looking at too many prospects and somehow my brain wanted to do the opposite and go for a retired veteran, haha.

[WaitTilNextYear]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

I just can't control the knuckleball. I feel that it's likely cost me in the playoffs if I kept him.

But you said he has an ERA just north of 3? So it seems he's doing ok? Is that all simmed stats or are you playing the games? If you can get a 3 ERA pitching with him, then I'm not sure what the problem is.

[kmoser]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Ok so how about: Lyles 24 yrs old (88 OVR) high B to Yankees for Michael Pineda (82 OVR, 26 yrs old) low B and SP Jose Camps 22 yrs old (73 OVR, mid B)

[CameRoN0407]

Ok so how about: Lyles 24 yrs old (88 OVR) high B to Yankees for Michael Pineda (82 OVR, 26 yrs old) low B and SP Jose Camps 22 yrs old (73 OVR, mid B)

I don't know if you should add another B or C. I say another low B should do it.

[kmoser]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

I don't know if you should add another B or C. I say another low B should do it.

The Yankees are in need of pitching and I think Lyles is pretty valuable. Pineda is 26 and Campos is not MLB ready so I think they would actually do this deal. Why not?

Edit: or do you mean I should add another low B? Sorry if I miss read it.

[CameRoN0407]

The Yankees are in need of pitching and I think Lyles is pretty valuable. Pineda is 26 and Campos is not MLB ready so I think they would actually do this deal. Why not?

I'm not saying you shouldn't do it. I'm just questioning value. I think Lyles and a lowB/High C for those 2 should do it.

[kmoser]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

I'm not saying you shouldn't do it. I'm just questioning value. I think Lyles and a lowB/High C for those 2 should do it.

Ok would a high C with Lyles be enough or would you prefer a low B.

[WaitTilNextYear]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Ok so how about: Lyles 24 yrs old (88 OVR) high B to Yankees for Michael Pineda (82 OVR, 26 yrs old) low B and SP Jose Camps 22 yrs old (73 OVR, mid B)

I don't think this works. Why would the Yanks make a lateral move like this? Pineda is as good or better than Lyles and if Pineda's a low B, either you're using crappy rosters or the game progression system has totally messed things up.

These 24-26 y/o starting pitcher for 24-26 y/o starting pitcher moves don't make any sense. I know you want to shed salary, but presumably Pineda is making some money and it's all a shell game for the cpu. It doesn't really benefit them at all to take on some money and swap decent pitcher for decent pitcher.

In general, I would always ask myself for any trade, is this a move that helps the cpu in some significant way? Is an upgrade of 6 OVR on the SP worth taking on money and giving away another B prospect for the Yankees?

If you are this bent on dealing Lyles, trade him for a position player (you've been looking for a SS) so you can fill another teams need at SP. Getting a SP in return is not filling a vacant need for cpu team. Then you can deal Altuve (or whoever is left on your list) for a young, cheap SP. Make sense?

I'm suggesting this: Lyles for SS (or any position other than pitcher) then Altuve for SP. That way you get rid of those guys, but the deals will be worthwhile for your trading partner too.

[kmoser]

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I don't think this works. Why would the Yanks make a lateral move like this? Pineda is as good or better than Lyles and if Pineda's a low B, either you're using crappy rosters or the game progression system has totally messed things up.

These 24-26 y/o starting pitcher for 24-26 y/o starting pitcher moves don't make any sense. I know you want to shed salary, but presumably Pineda is making some money and it's all a shell game for the cpu. It doesn't really benefit them at all to take on some money and swap decent pitcher for decent pitcher.

In general, I would always ask myself for any trade, is this a move that helps the cpu in some significant way? Is an upgrade of 6 OVR on the SP worth taking on money and giving away another B prospect for the Yankees?

If you are this bent on dealing Lyles, trade him for a position player (you've been looking for a SS) so you can fill another teams need at SP. Getting a SP in return is not filling a vacant need for cpu team. Then you can deal Altuve (or whoever is left on your list) for a young, cheap SP. Make sense?

I'm suggesting this: Lyles for SS (or any position other than pitcher) then Altuve for SP. That way you get rid of those guys, but the deals will be worthwhile for your trading partner too.

Ok I will look around. Thanks.

[WaitTilNextYear]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Ok I will look around. Thanks.

And this isn't to make your life hard, but I assume the fact that you come here to ask means you actually want to make your moves somewhat reasonable, so it's worth the effort now so you can enjoy how the trades pan out down the road.

Some teams that could use Altuve and take on money: Cubs, Nats, Tigers, Jays, O's, Giants, Dodgers.

Pretty much any team could use a young SP.

The caveat is that I don't know the landscape of your league since you said you're entering year 3.

[kmoser]

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Do you think I could get a low A and a mid B? I know you said trade Lyles for a SS but if I can get a low A and mid B for Altuve that would be great. The Braves have a 2B that can play SS and he is 81 OVR and a mid B. The low A would be J.R. Graham. Also the Braves could use another pitcher so I could throw in Lyles to help the deal out. If I do throw in Lyles could that get me another low to mid B or is that it?

[WaitTilNextYear]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Do you think I could get a low A and a mid B? I know you said trade Lyles for a SS but if I can get a low A and mid B for Altuve that would be great. The Braves have a 2B that can play SS and he is 81 OVR and a mid B. The low A would be J.R. Graham. Also the Braves could use another pitcher so I could throw in Lyles to help the deal out. If I do throw in Lyles could that get me another low to mid B or is that it?

Well the Braves aren't really a team that works with a large payroll, but J.R. Graham and some B-middle infielder for Altuve seems more than fair to them. I'd make a separate deal for Lyles though.

It would also help to have last years stats and so forth.

[G3no_11]

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Lyles is worth a Low B + High C according the spreadsheet if I remember correctly. Didn't you also say that he has been struggling in your chise? That will also hurt his value.

I think you should think about putting together a big deal with the Rockies. They could use Altuve and Lyles. You could get Trevor Story (Low A SS) and some pitching prospects back. Maybe Matzek + Aquino and throw in a C player like Culberson or Rosell Herrera.

If they can do it salary cap wise, it would probably be a good fit. Especially since JDLR is probably about done with his career in their rotation.

What were Lyles stats the last couple seasons?

[kmoser]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Well the Braves aren't really a team that works with a large payroll, but J.R. Graham and some B-middle infielder for Altuve seems more than fair to them. I'd make a separate deal for Lyles though.

It would also help to have last years stats and so forth.

Altuve hit .253 with 61 rbi's
J.R. Graham doesn't have any stats unfortunately and I don't know why.
Scooter Gennett (that 2B) hit .272 with 21 rbi's

Can I add anything else like another low to mid B from the Braves?

[G3no_11]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Altuve hit .253 with 61 rbi's
J.R. Graham doesn't have any stats unfortunately and I don't know why.
Scooter Gennett (that 2B) hit .272 with 21 rbi's

Can I add anything else like another low to mid B from the Braves?

How bout stats for Lyles?