2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[Deuce2223]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Milone is killing it for me with OAK at the ASB. He's 11-2 with a sub-3 ERA.

Moss is friggin tearing the cover off the ball @ .300 and 20 HR.

If I were building my team, I wouldn't let either of them walk. I also like Lowrie just fine. He's a .250 and 15-20 HR guy for me with a good arm that plays all around the IF. Definitely a guy I want around.

If I were looking to improve, I'd take someone at 3B, and/or a reliever, because after Balfour and Cook, you're looking at guys rated in the 70s who are up and down. If I could get a significant upgrade in the middle IF, then perhaps, but I have B rated guys who play okay in there.

In terms of thinning my starting pitching as OAK, I'd be careful about that because the young arms aren't as deep as you might think, and they're really not ready for more than long relief or a spot start for an injured guy. Colon got hurt in my franchise for a couple of months, and it's pressed me to the limit to keep the big league club stocked with viable arms.

Just a .02.

The problem with Oakland like it has always been, is they don't have the payroll to keep all their guy's. I am not actually using Oakland, but I am running 30 team control thus trying to make trades that helps all teams. I agree that there is not a lot of depth at SP but they signed M. Garza in the offseason ( I guess I don't have FA turned on manuel) for all teams. and they resigned B. Anderson, so now I need to open up cap space for them to be able to resign Parker and Cespedes at the end of the year, plus their draft picks, plus have money to be able to add a FA or 2.

Well Lawrie is solid, however they have a logjam in the IF (Weeks, Sizemore, Green, Nakajima, not to mention A. Russell in AAA) and Lawrie has the biggest contract.

[RogueHominid]

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The problem with Oakland like it has always been, is they don't have the payroll to keep all their guy's. I am not actually using Oakland, but I am running 30 team control thus trying to make trades that helps all teams. I agree that there is not a lot of depth at SP but they signed M. Garza in the offseason ( I guess I don't have FA turned on manuel) for all teams. and they resigned B. Anderson, so now I need to open up cap space for them to be able to resign Parker and Cespedes at the end of the year, plus their draft picks, plus have money to be able to add a FA or 2.

Well Lawrie is solid, however they have a logjam in the IF (Weeks, Sizemore, Green, Nakajima, not to mention A. Russell in AAA) and Lawrie has the biggest contract.

Good point. I'm trying to figure out what to do here at the AS break with precisely the problems you named.

The only reason I've been able to get by with roster balance is because I've had at least 3 middle IF injured at all times. And even then I have Rosales rotting on the bench and Donaldson only getting split time because he's up and down with the bat.

Let me ask you your opinion:

I'm @ 66-26, 8.5 games above the LAA.

I have the following core players who are lights-out:

Anderson: 10-3 3.29 ERA
Milone: 12-1 3.27 ERA
Parker: 12-2 3.42 ERA
Balfour 35 SV 1.93 ERA

Moss: .309 29 HR 66 RBI
Cespedes: .286 16 HR 54 RBI
Lowrie (sort of): .271 16 HR 39 RBI

Everyone else is a platoon player or an average starter/plus backup. Jemile Weeks is around .260, not good enough yet for the top of the lineup, and Coco is sub .250. Reddick, despite his potential, is at .229 with 15 HR and 55 RBI.

I really want to do something long-term to add at least one core player to the lineup. I have power all the way through, but I'd like a really good guy for the #1 or #2 hole and perhaps an upgrade at any position other than RF and 1B.

I would be willing to move Anderson given his 3.1M salary, and potentially Reddick given his dismal average but high potential. Coco is costing me 1.7M as well and is way underperforming.

So, not sure what's the best way to go here. I can use Strailey and Colon to fill one SP spot, and perhaps parlay the above players into a deal for a position upgrade that would make room for Chris Young or Seth Smith, who's also playing well.

Thoughts from anyone? Thanks in advance!

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Honestly, with you being 40 games over .500 at the All Star break, all I could recommend is just keep your team together. Or increase the difficulty. With such a dominant record, you really don't need to make any moves.

[RogueHominid]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Honestly, with you being 40 games over .500 at the All Star break, all I could recommend is just keep your team together. Or increase the difficulty. With such a dominant record, you really don't need to make any moves.

Yeah, I can see that point. I may be able to retain Reddick and Anderson and will certainly let Crisp walk.

Regarding my record, I'm surprised at it because I play 1 and sim 4-6, depending on the starters, so many of my wins are CPU simulated wins.

Even so, when I do play, I'm murdering the CPU hitters. I may look at HOF sliders, but I may also see if I've just gotten lucky this year or during the first half. If I lose 2 starters or 2 of my three good hitters I'm toast.

I'm currently using an All Star set that's pretty good. Those don't affect sim wins, do they?

And as for running the franchise, when you have a player like Reddick who is hitting HR (15 after 90 games) but is only hitting .225, do you send that guy down for a bit, bench him for a bit, play him through and hope he figures it out, or try to trade him while the rating and potential are high?

I have so many guys @ .250 or so that I really want a .300 guy or two.

[24]

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Try to deal Reddick to another contending team for prospects. Their has to be a team around the league that is in contention that needs some power. Despite his low average Reddick is still a good trade chip He's hitting for decent power has a high potential and is young. Let Crisp walk after the season their is no real need to retain him you can always scout draft and develop another outfielder.

[AC]

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I'm sure the Mets, Yankees, Phillies, Indians, Mariners, or Pirates wouldn't mind Reddick.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Yeah, I can see that point. I may be able to retain Reddick and Anderson and will certainly let Crisp walk.

Regarding my record, I'm surprised at it because I play 1 and sim 4-6, depending on the starters, so many of my wins are CPU simulated wins.

Even so, when I do play, I'm murdering the CPU hitters. I may look at HOF sliders, but I may also see if I've just gotten lucky this year or during the first half. If I lose 2 starters or 2 of my three good hitters I'm toast.

I'm currently using an All Star set that's pretty good. Those don't affect sim wins, do they?

And as for running the franchise, when you have a player like Reddick who is hitting HR (15 after 90 games) but is only hitting .225, do you send that guy down for a bit, bench him for a bit, play him through and hope he figures it out, or try to trade him while the rating and potential are high?

I have so many guys @ .250 or so that I really want a .300 guy or two.

Try to deal Reddick to another contending team for prospects. Their has to be a team around the league that is in contention that needs some power. Despite his low average Reddick is still a good trade chip He's hitting for decent power has a high potential and is young. Let Crisp walk after the season their is no real need to retain him you can always scout draft and develop another outfielder.

I'd venture that a 66-26 record has very little to do with luck. You could say the same about any juggernaut team, that if they just lost 2 hitters and 2 pitchers, they'd be worse.

Teams that are 40 over .500 really never trade vets for prospects regardless of performance. Ever. Teams actually rarely get to 40-over, let alone so far before the deadline. I'd suggest that dealing Reddick is not realistic.

If you still do want to deal him, I'd ask first, how well do you hit with him in USER games? Is his low average a product of your sim method? If so, I'd lean even more strongly toward keeping him.

If you have a tough time hitting with him manually, then you could toss realism out the door and deal him for a pretty nice haul to almost any team in baseball. Maybe a couple of very nice B prospects. That could help you with your cash flow and farm system.

[AC]

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ughhh multi quotes

I'd venture that a 66-26 record has very little to do with luck.

We'd need to see his pytho for that to be a reasonable assumption.

You could say the same about any juggernaut team, that if they just lost 2 hitters and 2 pitchers, they'd be worse.

Good teams like the Rays and Cardinals have consistently avoided losing despite the losses - whether it be permanent (Pujols, Crawford, Shields) or temporary (Longoria, Carpenter) - of their best players.

Teams that are 40 over .500 really never trade vets for prospects regardless of performance. Ever. Teams actually rarely get to 40-over, let alone so far before the deadline. I'd suggest that dealing Reddick is not realistic.

Agree with everything except that I could see a contending team trading a vet for an MLB ready youngin. Like the Shields/Myers trade.

If you still do want to deal him, I'd ask first, how well do you hit with him in USER games? Is his low average a product of your sim method? If so, I'd lean even more strongly toward keeping him.

I think he stated he does play 1/sim 5 or something to that effect, so I don't think user games will matter very much at all.

If you have a tough time hitting with him manually, then you could toss realism out the door and deal him for a pretty nice haul to almost any team in baseball. Maybe a couple of very nice B prospects. That could help you with your cash flow and farm system.

He could always trade him to a team on the cusp. I think a trade to the Mets involving Daniel Murphy, Bobby Parnell and Jeurys Familia could work, as all those guys are rumored to be dealt (Parnell if they were blew away but obviously this qualifies). Parnell would be a key addition to a contending team down the stretch, Murphy solves the 2B problem I *think* he mentioned, and Familia is a solid young pitcher. He could do something like:

Reddick
Weeks

FOR

Murphy
Parnell
Familia
bad reliever

This is assuming the Mets are middle of the pack / out of it. It's not 100% completely totally undeniably realistic, but I think it's pretty decent all things considered.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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We'd need to see his pytho for that to be a reasonable assumption.


Not really for 40 over. I think it's a reasonable assumption that the run differential is ok.


Good teams like the Rays and Cardinals have consistently avoided losing despite the losses - whether it be permanent (Pujols, Crawford, Shields) or temporary (Longoria, Carpenter) - of their best players.

Outliers...

Agree with everything except that I could see a contending team trading a vet for an MLB ready youngin. Like the Shields/Myers trade.

Not in-season...

I think he stated he does play 1/sim 5 or something to that effect, so I don't think user games will matter very much at all.

But, the sim games are more "dice roll." If he plays good with Reddick manually, why not keep him? Then the sim engine might have him play more up to potential in sim game too if given time.

He could always trade him to a team on the cusp. I think a trade to the Mets involving Daniel Murphy, Bobby Parnell and Jeurys Familia could work, as all those guys are rumored to be dealt (Parnell if they were blew away but obviously this qualifies). Parnell would be a key addition to a contending team down the stretch, Murphy solves the 2B problem I *think* he mentioned, and Familia is a solid young pitcher. He could do something like:

Reddick
Weeks

FOR

Murphy
Parnell
Familia
bad reliever

This is assuming the Mets are middle of the pack / out of it. It's not 100% completely totally undeniably realistic, but I think it's pretty decent all things considered.

I think that's fair, but unrealistic.

[RogueHominid]

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You guys are great--I appreciate the knowledgeable and thorough responses!

I don't know what a pytho is...

I do play 1 and sim 5 or thereabouts, sometimes a game more and sometimes a game less.

I hit some HR with Reddick, but I struggle at hitting consistently for average with him. Lefties are tough for me to pick up the ball with, especially against lefties and especially if they're tall and take up some of the screen.

He's such a good player in the field and has nice power; I just can't hit with him. I do, however want to maintain some realism.

As for the overall record, my team stats that might contribute are:

.251 team average, 21st OVR
469 runs, 4th OVR
125 HR, 4th OVR
465 RBI, 4th OVR
320 BB, 5th OVR
3.45 ERA, 3rd OVR
36 Saves, 1st OVR

In my user games I normally win; I'd say 2/3 of the time, definitely over half.

But with OAK, which I don't see as a stacked team, I'm really not sure how my team stats are so good. We hit for a lot of power and don't give up many runs. Not a high average team and not consistent with getting guys on base, but when we do, we slug and hit HR and score runs that way.

I kind of want to move away from that model toward something more consistent on offense. I'd like to be more of a doubles team that hits in the .260s or better overall.

[kmoser]

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Not a high average team and not consistent with getting guys on base

I wonder how Billy Beane feels about his Oakland A's bad consistency of getting on base lol

[RogueHominid]

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I wonder how Billy Beane feels about his Oakland A's bad consistency of getting on base lol

Ha!

So in my user games, it literally goes like this: nothing, nothing, nothing, hit batter/walk, single, 2 run HR, great pitching, end of game.

Slight variations on that theme. Maybe throw in a double or two to drive a run in, but it's station to station with low batting averages and lots of dingers.

[bwoodring9]

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Do you guys think the White Sox would move Addison Reed if they are struggling in game? They aren't quite as bad as in real life, but they still look to be out of contention. I get that irl they said they would move anyone but Sale or Konerko, although I have heard they'll listen to offers for Sale now too, but would Reed be someone they'd move for a few prospects if they're struggling a little less than irl?

[bwoodring9]

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I did just read that they might not move him because he's under team control until 2017 though.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Do you guys think the White Sox would move Addison Reed if they are struggling in game? They aren't quite as bad as in real life, but they still look to be out of contention. I get that irl they said they would move anyone but Sale or Konerko, although I have heard they'll listen to offers for Sale now too, but would Reed be someone they'd move for a few prospects if they're struggling a little less than irl?

Doubt it. He's still minimum wage.

p.s. these new OS ads really suck. I can barely even post without either a freeze, script error, or a massive slowdown. Anyone else seeing that too?