2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[TheNumber35]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Ahh ok. Ya I did some research, and could find a lot about Garza but I've never pitched with Garza, I may have to do a practice game with him. I've though of going after lee or sale but I'm not sold sale could had. I thought of lee and simmed before with him but he drops way down to 85 by the end of the year. I just don't see the value in that. I haven't really Used Price but I'm thinking of him or going after Stanton. If I did Stanton I could add Garza and lock him up in the off season

Price is definitely a good option if you're looking for a long term answer in your rotation. Plus, a Darvish, Price, Holland top 3 is very formidable and could match up with anyone. Personally I'm not usually the trade value guy haha, so I say go to the spreadsheet for that. It's on page 1 of this thread, it lists the trade values of all the players you'd be wanting to acquire.

[Deuce2223]

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Thanks for the feedback/comments on the trades.

As far as the New York and KC, I went to the spreadsheet

Holland is worth a high C which is the same that SP J. Mejia worth is so I decided they =

Flores is worth a High C and Low B with is the same worth of Willingham and Dyson so I decided they =

Crow is worth 2 Mid B's, so I went with Meo and the added salary as the replacement of the other Mid B, however with the Mets trying to stay in the NL East hunt, to me it would make realistic sense that they would be willing to add a dominant CP, a RP that won 10 games and a Power hitting OF that hit 29 HR's last year and 35 HR's the year before.


As far as the Oakland and Colorado trade goes, I didn't take the time to go through the spreadsheet but because I had 2 people who said it was fair but just not realistic, I am going to go ahead with it, because again in my mind if Colorado doesn't make some moves and spend some money then they are going to continue to be sitting in the NL West cellar, and they have enough cap space that they should be able to retain Milone and Moss to long term deals in the offseason, so it's not like they are going to be 1 year rentals. So realistically again this is the type of deal Colorado in my opinion should be trying to make. They deal 2 young SP's who are havn't really put up any #s at the MLB level yet and Aqunio who is a ? mark at SP and but has done well as a RP/CP and a decent IF for a #1 SP, a power hitting starting 1B, and Lowrie who is a upgrade over Rutledge as the UTL IF.

As far as Oakland maybe giving up a little much in AC's Opinion, I guess this is where I factored in the money issue.

[Bluejaysfan65]

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Can someone who plays 2k *dramatic camera pan to WTNY* PM me with instructions on prospect equivalencies throughout our game?

Like 5 star = high A, 4 1/2 = mid A, etc. No clue what the 2k equivalents are but could use a PM.

Also, bluejaysfan65, I'ma PM you later with some stuff I'd like you to add to the OP in the other thread, including the above.

Well, it's pretty straightforward mostly.

There are no 1/2 stars. Only integers, so:

5 star = A
4 star = B
3 star = C
2 star = D
1 star = F

Now, that's all nice and dandy, but the high and low is where it gets dicey.

2K has trending arrows, so you could see a 4-star potential, but the guy is only at 2 stars now and he's trending up (i.e. a really young prospect). You could also see a 4-star pot. at 2 stars with no trend arrow or one pointing down. That means he's either on the downside of his career or never made his pot.

So what does all this mean? Not much.

There isn't a way to recreate the high/low thing from the SHOW in 2K.

You can approximate it with the trend arrows. If a guy has 4 star pot. and his trend arrow is still climbing, you could call that a "high B." If a guy has 4-star pot. with no arrow that's a "mid B", and pointing down could be a "low B." Just know that this trend arrow might only have a little bit to do with how high into the B or A range a player will go. In other words, the arrow just indicates the direction the player's progression is going, but not the magnitude. So, not much of a vector (always wanted to drop that in a convo).

I suppose one could use a combo of age and overall, but someone would have to develop that scale. I just basically use the spreadsheet values as is without regard for the star system in 2K. I find that to be the easiest way. For guys not on the spreadsheet, like 2K generated rookies, then I use the star system.



Best way is to use the Hybrid sets and edit Vitters down to the lump he really is.

I was thinking about a system somewhat like this:

High A = 5 Stars with Upward Trend
Mid A = 5 Stars with Diagonal Trend
Low A = 5 Stars with No Trend/Downward Trend
High B = 4 Stars with Upward Trend
Mid B = 4 Stars with Diagonal Trend
Low B = 4 Stars with No Trend/Downward Trend
High C = 3 Stars with Upward Trend
Mid C = 3 Stars with Diagonal Trent
Low C = 3 Stars with No Trend/Downward Trend
High D = 2 Stars with Upward Trend
Mid D = 2 Stars with Diagonal Trend
Low D = 2 Stars with No Trend/Downward Trend

or for prospects:

High A = 5 Stars Potential with 3 star value
Mid A = 5 Star Potential with 2 star value
Low A = 5 Star potential with 1 star value
High B = 4 Star potential with 3 star value
Mid B = 4 Star potential with 2 star value
Low B = 4 Star potential with 1 star value
High C = 3 Star potential with 2 star value, straight up trend
Mid C = 3 Star potential with 2 star value, diagonal trend
Low C = 3 Star potential with 1 star value
High D = 1 Star potential with 1 star value, straight up trend
Mid D = 1 Star potential with 1 star value, diagonal trend
Low D = 1 Star potential with no star value

Also, if you don't mind AC, could I use some of the stuff in the OP of this thread to put in the OP of the other thread?

[CameRoN0407]

Yea that potential system is complicated if you were new. But it does make sense (the star and arrow one) but the trend is, well, different.

[Bluejaysfan65]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Yea that potential system is complicated if you were new. But it does make sense (the star and arrow one) but the trend is, well, different.

The trend is basically the arrow though.

[bwoodring9]

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So I still have 2 guys I'm looking to move to complete my Philly fire sale: Papelbon and Ruiz. Papelbon currently has a .78 ERA with a 10.54 K/9 and has 29 saves in 32.1 IP. Ruiz is hitting .302 with 4 HRs and 25 RBIS. What kind of impact prospects could I get from these two guys?

[G3no_11]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

As far as the Oakland and Colorado trade goes, I didn't take the time to go through the spreadsheet but because I had 2 people who said it was fair but just not realistic, I am going to go ahead with it, because again in my mind if Colorado doesn't make some moves and spend some money then they are going to continue to be sitting in the NL West cellar, and they have enough cap space that they should be able to retain Milone and Moss to long term deals in the offseason, so it's not like they are going to be 1 year rentals. So realistically again this is the type of deal Colorado in my opinion should be trying to make. They deal 2 young SP's who are havn't really put up any #s at the MLB level yet and Aqunio who is a ? mark at SP and but has done well as a RP/CP and a decent IF for a #1 SP, a power hitting starting 1B, and Lowrie who is a upgrade over Rutledge as the UTL IF.

As far as Oakland maybe giving up a little much in AC's Opinion, I guess this is where I factored in the money issue.

The realism really isn't there any way you look at it. The Rockies have never been a team that deals for starting pitching... especially starting pitching that is expensive. They are a team that builds from within their farm system.. They would rather sink or swim with the guys they've called up rather than trade for players and take on salary.

Pomeranz is someone who the Rockies really want to try to keep and if he is putting up the numbers he is in your chise.. they wouldn't deal him. Aquino is a top 15 prospect in the Rockies organization. He's young, a lefty, and is actually a starter in real life and putting up decent numbers in the lower minors.

You say they are ?'s.. even though Milone is a solid starting pitcher... he is a ? too. You have no idea how many starting pitchers get traded or signed to Colorado and totally tank. No starting pitcher is a sure thing in Coors Field and that's why they don't make these types of trades.

You could probably work out a realistic trade between these two teams, but the one you have proposed right now, really isn't.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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I was thinking about a system somewhat like this:

High A = 5 Stars with Upward Trend
Mid A = 5 Stars with Diagonal Trend
Low A = 5 Stars with No Trend/Downward Trend
High B = 4 Stars with Upward Trend
Mid B = 4 Stars with Diagonal Trend
Low B = 4 Stars with No Trend/Downward Trend
High C = 3 Stars with Upward Trend
Mid C = 3 Stars with Diagonal Trent
Low C = 3 Stars with No Trend/Downward Trend
High D = 2 Stars with Upward Trend
Mid D = 2 Stars with Diagonal Trend
Low D = 2 Stars with No Trend/Downward Trend

or for prospects:

High A = 5 Stars Potential with 3 star value
Mid A = 5 Star Potential with 2 star value
Low A = 5 Star potential with 1 star value
High B = 4 Star potential with 3 star value
Mid B = 4 Star potential with 2 star value
Low B = 4 Star potential with 1 star value
High C = 3 Star potential with 2 star value, straight up trend
Mid C = 3 Star potential with 2 star value, diagonal trend
Low C = 3 Star potential with 1 star value
High D = 1 Star potential with 1 star value, straight up trend
Mid D = 1 Star potential with 1 star value, diagonal trend
Low D = 1 Star potential with no star value

Also, if you don't mind AC, could I use some of the stuff in the OP of this thread to put in the OP of the other thread?

Whatever you want to use, but there really is no direct way to replicate the SHOW system in 2K. The first option is basically the same thing that I posted in your quote. The second option is using a player's floor as a part of their potential ceiling. There is no right way. Just using the spreadsheet (and keeping the player values in letter format) is much easier in the sense that good players in 2K will correlate with good players in the SHOW, meaning the spreadsheet should work fine for both, even if we don't slap an official 2K value on each player.

The realism really isn't there any way you look at it. The Rockies have never been a team that deals for starting pitching... especially starting pitching that is expensive. They are a team that builds from within their farm system.. They would rather sink or swim with the guys they've called up rather than trade for players and take on salary.

Pomeranz is someone who the Rockies really want to try to keep and if he is putting up the numbers he is in your chise.. they wouldn't deal him. Aquino is a top 15 prospect in the Rockies organization. He's young, a lefty, and is actually a starter in real life and putting up decent numbers in the lower minors.

You say they are ?'s.. even though Milone is a solid starting pitcher... he is a ? too. You have no idea how many starting pitchers get traded or signed to Colorado and totally tank. No starting pitcher is a sure thing in Coors Field and that's why they don't make these types of trades.

You could probably work out a realistic trade between these two teams, but the one you have proposed right now, really isn't.

I couldn't think of a worse fit than Tom Milone to Colorado. He's an extreme flyball pitcher that benefits from his home park. I could see Coors adding at least 1 run to his ERA. If Colorado did trade for a starter, they'd bring a sinkerballer or strikeout guy into the mix there. Remember when they signed Mike Hampton? He was a control-artist lefty with flyball tendencies. How about Denny Neagle? lol.

[kmoser]

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So I still have 2 guys I'm looking to move to complete my Philly fire sale: Papelbon and Ruiz. Papelbon currently has a .78 ERA with a 10.54 K/9 and has 29 saves in 32.1 IP. Ruiz is hitting .302 with 4 HRs and 25 RBIS. What kind of impact prospects could I get from these two guys?

I looked at the OS trade spreadsheet and it says Papelbon for two mid B's and Ruiz for a low B.

[WaitTilNextYear]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

So I still have 2 guys I'm looking to move to complete my Philly fire sale: Papelbon and Ruiz. Papelbon currently has a .78 ERA with a 10.54 K/9 and has 29 saves in 32.1 IP. Ruiz is hitting .302 with 4 HRs and 25 RBIS. What kind of impact prospects could I get from these two guys?

Who have you dealt so far? And for what? I remember talking a lot about potential moves in your 'chise, but I'm curious as to who you've brought in so far. I think Utley went to LAD. Did you trade Lee yet? Halladay? Rollins? Bastardo? Young?

For Papelbon or Ruiz, I don't think you'll get a top 50 guy, maybe not a top 100 either.

I feel that we've discussed this before, but for Papelbon, the Tigers, Dodgers, or Brewers make sense. I think you were looking at some combination of Rondon and Dirks last I remember.

For Ruiz, the Dodgers, Yankees, Rays, Angels, White Sox would fit. You could probably get the 4th or 5th best prospect of any of those systems back for Ruiz. Maybe 3rd best in weaker systems like the Angels and White Sox, depending on their need and other options.

You might also think about packaging them both to the Dodgers and getting an even better prospect, though I'm not certain if Zach Lee or Corey Seager would be available. It seems that your Phillies have a bunch of guys the Dodgers could use in Utley, Ruiz, and Papelbon.

[G3no_11]

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I couldn't think of a worse fit that Tom Milone to Colorado. He's an extreme flyball pitcher that benefits from his home park. I could see Coors adding at least 1 run to his ERA. If Colorado did trade for a starter, they'd bring a sinkerballer or strikeout guy into the mix there. Remember when they signed Mike Hampton? He was a control-artist lefty with flyball tendencies. How about Denny Neagle? lol.

Exactly haha. Like I said in a previous post, the only pitchers that seem to do well in Coors Field are home grown. Jeremy Guthrie, Jonathan Sanchez (lol), are two examples of failed pitchers... just from last season. Jorge De La Rosa has really been the only traded for pitcher that has turned out well.

Here is a quote from the Rockies owner about trading for a pitcher:
"Starters are so iffy in a Rockies uniform," Monfort said. "So you have to be real careful, especially when you examine how a pitcher profiles in our ballpark."

If Pomeranz is pitching with an ERA under 4.. they wouldn't trade him for a pitcher when it is actually more likely he would fail then succeed and he would also add to the payroll.

You could probably work out a deal involving Moss, Aquino, and Rutledge though.

[AC]

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Also, if you don't mind AC, could I use some of the stuff in the OP of this thread to put in the OP of the other thread?

Certainly.

[bwoodring9]

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Who have you dealt so far? And for what? I remember talking a lot about potential moves in your 'chise, but I'm curious as to who you've brought in so far. I think Utley went to LAD. Did you trade Lee yet? Halladay? Rollins? Bastardo? Young?

For Papelbon or Ruiz, I don't think you'll get a top 50 guy, maybe not a top 100 either.

I feel that we've discussed this before, but for Papelbon, the Tigers, Dodgers, or Brewers make sense. I think you were looking at some combination of Rondon and Dirks last I remember.

For Ruiz, the Dodgers, Yankees, Rays, Angels, White Sox would fit. You could probably get the 4th or 5th best prospect of any of those systems back for Ruiz. Maybe 3rd best in weaker systems like the Angels and White Sox, depending on their need and other options.

You might also think about packaging them both to the Dodgers and getting an even better prospect, though I'm not certain if Zach Lee or Corey Seager would be available. It seems that your Phillies have a bunch of guys the Dodgers could use in Utley, Ruiz, and Papelbon.

I actually restarted so I do still have Utley, Ruiz, Halladay, and papelbon. Thus far I've traded lee to Texas for olt, Alfaro, Perez, and fierebond, or however you spell it. The only other move i have made is young to LAA for conger and nick maronde.

[RogueHominid]

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The realism really isn't there any way you look at it. The Rockies have never been a team that deals for starting pitching... especially starting pitching that is expensive. They are a team that builds from within their farm system.. They would rather sink or swim with the guys they've called up rather than trade for players and take on salary.

Pomeranz is someone who the Rockies really want to try to keep and if he is putting up the numbers he is in your chise.. they wouldn't deal him. Aquino is a top 15 prospect in the Rockies organization. He's young, a lefty, and is actually a starter in real life and putting up decent numbers in the lower minors.

You say they are ?'s.. even though Milone is a solid starting pitcher... he is a ? too. You have no idea how many starting pitchers get traded or signed to Colorado and totally tank. No starting pitcher is a sure thing in Coors Field and that's why they don't make these types of trades.

You could probably work out a realistic trade between these two teams, but the one you have proposed right now, really isn't.

Milone is killing it for me with OAK at the ASB. He's 11-2 with a sub-3 ERA.

Moss is friggin tearing the cover off the ball @ .300 and 20 HR.

If I were building my team, I wouldn't let either of them walk. I also like Lowrie just fine. He's a .250 and 15-20 HR guy for me with a good arm that plays all around the IF. Definitely a guy I want around.

If I were looking to improve, I'd take someone at 3B, and/or a reliever, because after Balfour and Cook, you're looking at guys rated in the 70s who are up and down. If I could get a significant upgrade in the middle IF, then perhaps, but I have B rated guys who play okay in there.

In terms of thinning my starting pitching as OAK, I'd be careful about that because the young arms aren't as deep as you might think, and they're really not ready for more than long relief or a spot start for an injured guy. Colon got hurt in my franchise for a couple of months, and it's pressed me to the limit to keep the big league club stocked with viable arms.

Just a .02.

[Bluejaysfan65]

Certainly.

Thanks! I'll add it whenever I have time.