2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[AC]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

I think you need to give them a better prospect than Rodriguez to make it fair for the Jays.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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I wouldn't do the Barnes trade. I can tell that's unrealistic.

You think adding Barnes is unrealistic? You fairly high on him or is it just that I traded him to ARZ already?

I would do this deal.

Also I would do the Didi deal. I think when you get a year ahead or in your case 2 years ahead of real life, realism needs to take a back seat to fairness. Deal seems fair, and like AC said maybe even a overpay, which I prefer to do 9 out of 10 times anyways.

P.S. To bad you were not able to resign A-Cab and then flip him to St Louis for Wacha. Totally would've helped your rotation.

Yeah, did the Maldonado deal. Still thinking about Didi, but I am leaning toward doing that also. I will do a practice game or 2 to test DeShields at SS. I will also give Didi a test drive. I think the deciding factor for me is Altuve is already fairly weak at 2B and to have a 2B at SS might destroy my IF defense.

ok so i have a trade to offer that i just want to know if it is fair. I'm the Nationals in year 1 and i play every game so im leading the division by 14 games. Toronto is currently 6.5 back in the east and 5 back of the WC. Currently Josh Johnson is on the DL for 4-5 weeks and Ricky Romero is on the DL for 2-3 weeks.

WSH receives:
Edwin Encarnacion 95 OVR (.280, 22HR, 62RBI)

TOR receives:
Dan Haren 91 OVR (11-4, 130IP, 2.71ERA, 0.96WHIP, 81SO)
Chris Davis 84 OVR (.226, 19HR, 52RBI)
Yorman Rodriguez B pot 67OVR (.272, 11HR, 46RBI, 12SB)

I think it is pretty good for both sides. I have too many LH bats in the lineup so this swaps one of them. They need SP help if they want to make the playoffs this year and Haren is better than everyone except JJ. Chris Davis replaces Encarnacion at 1B with similar HR, RBI numbers but the average isnt there. and they get an outfielder with solid potential to possibly man LF in a couple years. What do you think is it fair?

I think it's a fair deal. Encarnacion looks to have a nice edge on Crush in ratings, but it looks like Haren is wayy overrated so that evens out.

[DaBull_33]

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McHugh or Valdespin then as the 4th piece? Both might be a tad too much imo.

Here are stats for all names being tossed around:

Mets
Bobby Parnell (MLB): 0-1, 23.1 IP, 20 SV, 5.09 ERA, 1.43 WHIP, .283 AVGA
Jon Niese (MLB): 3-6, 87.2 IP, 4.11 ERA, 1.31 WHIP, .260 AVGA
Jeurys Familia (AAA): 2-2. 50.0 IP, 3.06 ERA, 1.22 WHIP, .222 AVGA
Collin McHugh (AAA): 5-0, 55.2, 2 SV, 2.59 ERA, 1.33 WHIP, .250 AVGA
Jordany Valdespin (MLB): .228/.318/.404, 57 AB, 3 HR, 9 RBI, 7 BB, 10 K

Rockies
Trevor Story (AA): .287/.338/.441, 136 AB, 4 HR, 23 RBI, 11 BB, 37 K
Casper Wells (AAA): .312/.402/.511, 141 AB, 6 HR, 27 RBI, 21 BB, 17 K
Tim Wheeler (AAA): .389/.444/.678, 90 AB, 5 HR, 11 RBI, 9 BB, 11 K
(Wheeler just came off the DL, and has been the primary lead-off hitter in AAA, hence the low RBI total)

What do you think would be the fairest combo of those players?

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Here are stats for all names being tossed around:

Mets
Bobby Parnell (MLB): 0-1, 23.1 IP, 20 SV, 5.09 ERA, 1.43 WHIP, .283 AVGA
Jon Niese (MLB): 3-6, 87.2 IP, 4.11 ERA, 1.31 WHIP, .260 AVGA
Jeurys Familia (AAA): 2-2. 50.0 IP, 3.06 ERA, 1.22 WHIP, .222 AVGA
Collin McHugh (AAA): 5-0, 55.2, 2 SV, 2.59 ERA, 1.33 WHIP, .250 AVGA
Jordany Valdespin (MLB): .228/.318/.404, 57 AB, 3 HR, 9 RBI, 7 BB, 10 K

Rockies
Trevor Story (AA): .287/.338/.441, 136 AB, 4 HR, 23 RBI, 11 BB, 37 K
Casper Wells (AAA): .312/.402/.511, 141 AB, 6 HR, 27 RBI, 21 BB, 17 K
Tim Wheeler (AAA): .389/.444/.678, 90 AB, 5 HR, 11 RBI, 9 BB, 11 K
(Wheeler just came off the DL, and has been the primary lead-off hitter in AAA, hence the low RBI total)

What do you think would be the fairest combo of those players?

Most of the stats are small sample size so they're not incredibly important. Can the Mets spare 4 pitchers and get none back? If so, leave out Valdespin. If not, leave out McHugh. If you absolutely must have all 5, add in mid C pitching prospect.

[DaBull_33]

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Most of the stats are small sample size so they're not incredibly important. Can the Mets spare 4 pitchers and get none back? If so, leave out Valdespin. If not, leave out McHugh. If you absolutely must have all 5, add in mid C pitching prospect.

Maybe I'll toss in the pitching prospect. I like the idea of adding McHugh since it would certainly fall under the "realistic" category. But, I like the flexibility of a guy like Valdespin.

I'll pick out a mid-C guy, which shouldn't be difficult. Thanks!

[Deuce2223]

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Maybe I'll toss in the pitching prospect. I like the idea of adding McHugh since it would certainly fall under the "realistic" category. But, I like the flexibility of a guy like Valdespin.

I'll pick out a mid-C guy, which shouldn't be difficult. Thanks!

Similar to your pickup of Boggs from St Louis, I am not really sure you have to consider McHugh in this deal. I think you should just add him, because IRL they dealt him, for Young (assuming that you don't have Young and can put him with the Mets?)

However I do agree that even with 3 pitchers (technically 4 with McHugh) going) it would be good to give them back a pitcher. Not sure how high you are on Rob Scahill or Joe Gardner but both are C's in my roster set who once were considered to have pretty good potential in real life.

Also I saw your previous comment about Casper Wells just being a throw in, but don't discount him to much. With some AB's he proved to be a pretty decent OF at the MLB level in my 1st M's Franchise where I kept him vs keeping Jason Bay. He ended up hitting like .290 with 20 HR's and 13 SB's.

In my current Franchise he is playing everday with the White Sox, and is hitting .287 with 14 HR's 62 RBI and has 5 SB's.

[CleBuck33]

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Looking to build a cubs franchise but with just their young specs
the Cubs are missing a good Catching and SS Spec along with some good front of the rotation specs

who could i get for Castro, Barney, Olt, Brett Jackson, Edwin Jackson, Samardizja?

obviously i would try to get a good SS spec if i move Castro, moving Castro is going to get a top spec because he has control for 3-4 more years plus still very young and talented

Would the Pirates send Cole /or Tailon+McGuire for Castro?

[CameRoN0407]

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Looking to build a cubs franchise but with just their young specs
the Cubs are missing a good Catching and 2B Spec along with some good front of the rotation specs

who could i get for Castro, Barney, Olt, Brett Jackson, Edwin Jackson, Samardizja?

obviously i would try to get a good SS spec if i move Castro, moving Castro is going to get a top spec because he has control for 3-4 more years plus still very young and talented

Would the Pirates send Cole /or Tailon+McGuire for Castro?

Use the Spreadsheet in the first post.

What is your stance on realism? Because sending Castro to the Pirates, or anywhere isn't realistic unless he is hitting under .260.

Why would you need a SS 'spect in turn? Baez can give you solid coverage at short, and it's also his natural position.

[DaBull_33]

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Similar to your pickup of Boggs from St Louis, I am not really sure you have to consider McHugh in this deal. I think you should just add him, because IRL they dealt him, for Young (assuming that you don't have Young and can put him with the Mets?)

However I do agree that even with 3 pitchers (technically 4 with McHugh) going) it would be good to give them back a pitcher. Not sure how high you are on Rob Scahill or Joe Gardner but both are C's in my roster set who once were considered to have pretty good potential in real life.

Also I saw your previous comment about Casper Wells just being a throw in, but don't discount him to much. With some AB's he proved to be a pretty decent OF at the MLB level in my 1st M's Franchise where I kept him vs keeping Jason Bay. He ended up hitting like .290 with 20 HR's and 13 SB's.

In my current Franchise he is playing everday with the White Sox, and is hitting .287 with 14 HR's 62 RBI and has 5 SB's.

Surprisingly, I was actually considering Scahill or Gardner as the final piece. I like Scahill's velocity, so I will probably go with Gardner.

I might also go with Parker Frazier, who was sent to the Reds IRL for Armando Galarraga. I'm not going to duplicate all the real-life deals in my franchise (mainly because the teams that are in contention in mine don't match any of the teams in contention in real life), but some of the actual moves do give you a good idea of what teams would be willing to give up in return for a guy.

I like Wells, which is why I signed him in Spring Training. Unfortunately, he's not getting any playing time at the big league level for me, and I think he would be a great fit with the Mets. In fact, I like the idea of a Duda, Wheeler, Wells outfield in New York, with Byrd/Nieuwenhuis as the #4.

[CleBuck33]

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Use the Spreadsheet in the first post.

What is your stance on realism? Because sending Castro to the Pirates, or anywhere isn't realistic unless he is hitting under .260.

Why would you need a SS 'spect in turn? Baez can give you solid coverage at short, and it's also his natural position.

Baez has 31 Errors as a SS this year and had 37 last year, his future is at 2B
http://www.baseball-reference.com/mi...d=baez--000jav

[CameRoN0407]

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Baez has 31 Errors as a SS this year and had 37 last year, his future is at 2B
http://www.baseball-reference.com/mi...d=baez--000jav

Yea, true.

It's pretty hard to find a landing spot for an SS, for another SS prospect. Every team that has a legit SS prospect, has a great SS in the majors. But again, what is your stance on realism?

[CleBuck33]

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Yea, true.

It's pretty hard to find a landing spot for an SS, for another SS prospect. Every team that has a legit SS prospect, has a great SS in the majors. But again, what is your stance on realism?

Trying to get pretty close to realistic, i know Castro wont get moved anytime soon but im also trying to make a complete rebuilding team one with no players on the major league roster tied to the last FO etc which includes moving castro. Plus he could get me the stud pitcher(s) the Cubs need going forward as they really dont have any specs who could be an ACE or even a good #2, most of their pitchers seem to be average #2s or Middle/Back of the rotation guys/BP guys



with the offense Soler, Bryant, Baez and Rizzo (who was traded for by Theo and the current FO) i dont even high offense profile SS like a Lindor or Profar or Bogarts just a solid hitter/good-great glove guy

[CameRoN0407]

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Trying to get pretty close to realistic, i know Castro wont get moved anytime soon but im also trying to make a complete rebuilding team one with no players on the major league roster tied to the last FO etc which includes moving castro. Plus he could get me the stud pitcher(s) the Cubs need going forward as they really dont have any specs who could be an ACE or even a good #2, most of their pitchers seem to be average #2s or Middle/Back of the rotation guys/BP guys



with the offense Soler, Bryant, Baez and Rizzo (who was traded for by Theo and the current FO) i dont even high offense profile SS like a Lindor or Profar or Bogarts just a solid hitter/good-great glove guy

Well, you can get ALOT for Castro, Samardzija, and Rizzo. Note, PLEEEEEEEEASE don't trade Rizzo!

Anyway, I have free time, so I'll make up a few deals.

Castro to:

Dodgers for Seager and Zach Lee
Seattle for Franklin and Paxton/Pryor
Detroit for Avisail Garcia and 2 High C pitchers

Samardzija to:

Boston for Ranaudo and Marrero
NY Yankees for Heathcott and Banuelos
Cleveland for Paulino and High C pitcher
LA Angels for Cowart and Yarborough

If you have any more players or teams you want just reply, I'll think something up.

[RogueHominid]

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Well, you can get ALOT for Castro, Samardzija, and Rizzo. Note, PLEEEEEEEEASE don't trade Rizzo!

Anyway, I have free time, so I'll make up a few deals.

Castro to:

Dodgers for Seager and Zach Lee
Seattle for Franklin and Paxton/Pryor
Detroit for Avisail Garcia and 2 High C pitchers

Samardzija to:

Boston for Ranaudo and Marrero
NY Yankees for Heathcott and Banuelos
Cleveland for Paulino and High C pitcher
LA Angels for Cowart and Yarborough

If you have any more players or teams you want just reply, I'll think something up.

I like the LAD deal mostly because HanRam just isn't the guy and Gordon won't be more than a sub or an average starter for them.

I would also avoid getting rid of Rizzo. I played a lot of games as CHI and he just drills the ball. Every out with him is a loud one, which I like, especially in that yard.

[CleBuck33]

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Well, you can get ALOT for Castro, Samardzija, and Rizzo. Note, PLEEEEEEEEASE don't trade Rizzo!

Anyway, I have free time, so I'll make up a few deals.

Castro to:

Dodgers for Seager and Zach Lee
Seattle for Franklin and Paxton/Pryor
Detroit for Avisail Garcia and 2 High C pitchers

Samardzija to:

Boston for Ranaudo and Marrero
NY Yankees for Heathcott and Banuelos
Cleveland for Paulino and High C pitcher
LA Angels for Cowart and Yarborough

If you have any more players or teams you want just reply, I'll think something up.

i was going to trade Olt and keep Rizzo. i think Samardzija and Castro would pull a bit more quality then that but its just IMO. Castro is a young 2 time AS who's been a .300 twice already although the Dodgers deal is a good return and Samardzija is rated 94 on the current update and the Cubs asking price was reportedly very high

i think the best fit with more then 1 top FOR spec and could be a good landing spot for Castro because of his age,contract, talent and lack of SS talent in the Majors or Specs
Twins
Mariners
Mets
Cardinals
Dodgers

the Pirates could be a match in the way they have a SS hole now that could greatley improve the team with Castro while they play in a very strong division and their current SS has an ETA for 2 -3 more years.

teams for Samardzija who have talented SS/C/SP specs that they could move for him
Boston
Yankees
Cleveland
Braves
Arizona
Colorado
Padres

Detroit also traded Garcia to Chicago. but i see it is if Garza can get a Mike Olt back then Samardzjia should do a bit better