2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[WaitTilNextYear]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

the spreadsheat is also pretty unrealistic. going by the spreadsheet i could trade Cabrera for Lynn, Matt Adams and Kolten Wong and everyone knows that trade would never go down. Real life realistically Cabrera and Smith are worth Wacha and Piscotty because you dont compare each player in the trades and because its not just about what a player is worth but upgrading their team from what they currentley have.

A) That isn't a Cards-style deal at all, so A-Cab for Wacha is not realistic. With Holliday and Beltran excepted, the Cards usually develop their own position players.

B) Despite it not ever happening since it's not realistic, it's not fair either. A-Cab would have to be putting up a .310/.400/.450 line for them to even consider it, and that's 100 points above his career OPS. This is his 7th year in the league--take out 2011, and you have a very average player who's only above average due to his position.

C) According to MLB, Wacha is the #8 RHP prospect in baseball near guys like Dylan Bundy, Aaron Sanchez, and Robert Stephenson. IMO, if a team does trade a guy like that, it's for an impact player/perennial All Star.

[DaBull_33]

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So, I still like the Mets as a trade partner for the Rockies. Both sides have some pieces that would help out the other, and I've revised my original idea. This one would beef up the Mets outfield, and give them a starting shortstop for next year.

Meanwhile, the Rockies get some pitching depth, and a utility guy who could use a more stable clubhouse atmosphere.

Rockies get: SP Jon Niese (82/B), RP Jeurys Familia (67/B), CP Bobby Parnell (84/B), SP Collin McHugh (65/B), 2B Jordany Valdespin (73/C)

Mets get: SS Trevor Story (72/A), RF Casper Wells (71/B), CF Tim Wheeler (73/B)

Wells doesn't have much in the way of trade value, and I view him as a filler piece, but with the shape of the Mets outfield, he would be a nice piece for them. Wheeler is blocked in an already crowded outfield situation in Colorado. The Mets are so desperately thin in the outfield, that I think they would jump at the idea of adding a guy like Wheeler. And, of course, Story figures to take over starting SS duties next season, after spending the rest of this year in AAA.

Niese, Familia, and Parnell make up the bulk of the return for Colorado. I threw in McHugh since he's technically a Rockie now anyway, and I like the "change-of-scenery" storyline for Valdespin. Colorado is always big on guys who can play multiple positions on the field, so his skill set is perfect for what they're looking for.

I know a few people felt that NY wasn't a great landing spot for Story, but I think the Mets would happily welcome any top prospect a team would be willing to float their direction. I don't see them turning down the opportunity to find room on the field for Wright, Story, and Cecchini.

Thoughts? I'll be waiting until closer to the deadline to make the deal, along with a couple others that I'm fleshing out in my brain before I run them by the group.

[CleBuck33]

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what a horrific uneducated post

A) the Cards were sniffing around ACab at the winter deadline last year so they have more then just a little bit of interest, they also dont have any real talented young SS as Kozma is bad with a bat in his hands

B) You're just trolling at point A since you cant give a legit reason with any logic whatsoever that its not realistic, ACab would just need to continue to put up the numbers he has for them to consider it, take out his 2011 and you still have a top 10 at worst SS in all of baseball

C) Cabrera is a impact player and would be the main AS in the NL.

A) That isn't a Cards-style deal at all, so A-Cab for Wacha is not realistic. With Holliday and Beltran excepted, the Cards usually develop their own position players.

B) Despite it not ever happening since it's not realistic, it's not fair either. A-Cab would have to be putting up a .310/.400/.450 line for them to even consider it, and that's 100 points above his career OPS. This is his 7th year in the league--take out 2011, and you have a very average player who's only above average due to his position.

C) According to MLB, Wacha is the #8 RHP prospect in baseball near guys like Dylan Bundy, Aaron Sanchez, and Robert Stephenson. IMO, if a team does trade a guy like that, it's for an impact player/perennial All Star.

[CleBuck33]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

McAllister+Bauer(#3 Spec)+Paulino(#5 Spec)+Ronny Rodriguez(#8 Spec) for Chris Sale?

[WaitTilNextYear]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

McAllister+Bauer(#3 Spec)+Paulino(#5 Spec)+Ronny Rodriguez(#8 Spec) for Chris Sale?

lol. Intra-division?

[AC]

going by the spreadsheet i could trade Cabrera for Lynn, Matt Adams and Kolten Wong and everyone knows that trade would never go down.

If Cabrera was performing at a high level, I could see it.

what a horrific uneducated post

My god was that unnecessary and incorrect.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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what a horrific uneducated post

A) the Cards were sniffing around ACab at the winter deadline last year so they have more then just a little bit of interest, they also dont have any real talented young SS as Kozma is bad with a bat in his hands

B) You're just trolling at point A since you cant give a legit reason with any logic whatsoever that its not realistic, ACab would just need to continue to put up the numbers he has for them to consider it, take out his 2011 and you still have a top 10 at worst SS in all of baseball

C) Cabrera is a impact player and would be the main AS in the NL.

Were they offering Wacha though????????????????????????????Doubt it, bro. They can sniff around WITHOUT agreeing to deal one of their best prospects.

I can't really understand what you're saying in the part I've bolded so I assume you made a typo there because it doesn't make sense.

Lol. Main All Star? What happened to Troy Tulowitzki? Ian Desmond? Jean Segura? Jimmy Rollins? Asdrubal Cabrera is worse than all of them. In better times, you can add Starlin Castro to that group. Hanley Ramirez has been playing like he should be in that mix too. A-Cab would be about 4th or 5th best at SS in the NL. Not bad. But, again, not worth Wacha.

Sorry you can't handle the criticism, but you now have 2 people (who post here often) who think your proposal isn't very good. If you don't agree, maybe you're too smart for this thread and therefore don't need the advice here.

[WaitTilNextYear]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

So, I still like the Mets as a trade partner for the Rockies. Both sides have some pieces that would help out the other, and I've revised my original idea. This one would beef up the Mets outfield, and give them a starting shortstop for next year.

Meanwhile, the Rockies get some pitching depth, and a utility guy who could use a more stable clubhouse atmosphere.

Rockies get: SP Jon Niese (82/B), RP Jeurys Familia (67/B), CP Bobby Parnell (84/B), SP Collin McHugh (65/B), 2B Jordany Valdespin (73/C)

Mets get: SS Trevor Story (72/A), RF Casper Wells (71/B), CF Tim Wheeler (73/B)

Wells doesn't have much in the way of trade value, and I view him as a filler piece, but with the shape of the Mets outfield, he would be a nice piece for them. Wheeler is blocked in an already crowded outfield situation in Colorado. The Mets are so desperately thin in the outfield, that I think they would jump at the idea of adding a guy like Wheeler. And, of course, Story figures to take over starting SS duties next season, after spending the rest of this year in AAA.

Niese, Familia, and Parnell make up the bulk of the return for Colorado. I threw in McHugh since he's technically a Rockie now anyway, and I like the "change-of-scenery" storyline for Valdespin. Colorado is always big on guys who can play multiple positions on the field, so his skill set is perfect for what they're looking for.

I know a few people felt that NY wasn't a great landing spot for Story, but I think the Mets would happily welcome any top prospect a team would be willing to float their direction. I don't see them turning down the opportunity to find room on the field for Wright, Story, and Cecchini.

Thoughts? I'll be waiting until closer to the deadline to make the deal, along with a couple others that I'm fleshing out in my brain before I run them by the group.

How's Story doing? If he's doing anything like in real life, I think you can get about half of that for him. Parnell, Familia, Niese, Valdespin (fairly or not), and McHugh all have decent value, so this is basically a 5 for ~2 deal.

If Story's doing well, I can see you getting maybe 4/5 of that.

I know you proposed something like this before, and I can't remember what my advice was aside from adding in more filler-type prospects on your side. I'm not sure if you also added to the Mets side too, but it feels like too much imo.

[KomicJ]

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what a horrific uneducated post

A) the Cards were sniffing around ACab at the winter deadline last year so they have more then just a little bit of interest, they also dont have any real talented young SS as Kozma is bad with a bat in his hands

B) You're just trolling at point A since you cant give a legit reason with any logic whatsoever that its not realistic, ACab would just need to continue to put up the numbers he has for them to consider it, take out his 2011 and you still have a top 10 at worst SS in all of baseball

C) Cabrera is a impact player and would be the main AS in the NL.

I'm sorry, don't wanna start something here, but I thought the idea of this thread was to ask others about our deals so that we aren't influenced by our own bias. If you feel like making the trade because it's sound fair to YOU, by all means, do it. You're the one playing the game...but there's no need to insult people because they give you their honest opinion on the situation, based on their perception/knowledge of the players/teams.

[AC]

I wouldn't call Paulino a backup

[WaitTilNextYear]

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I wouldn't call Paulino a backup

The problem is with Lindor he would be a backup SS. I'm not sure his bat profiles at a corner. Maybe his future is at 2B, but over Kipnis? I dunno about that.

He's still really young (18 and in A ball), so he could be boom or bust imo.

For a guy like Sale, you need a cash money in the bank spect coming back in the deal. A year ago Bauer was that guy. Now,

[AC]

The problem is with Lindor he would be a backup SS. I'm not sure his bat profiles at a corner. Maybe his future is at 2B, but over Kipnis? I dunno about that.

He's still really young (18 and in A ball), so he could be boom or bust imo.

For a guy like Sale, you need a cash money in the bank spect coming back in the deal. A year ago Bauer was that guy. Now,

One, no one is a guarantee. Two, 3B is the best possible outcome. Three, there literally isn't a way the Indians could get Sale

[WaitTilNextYear]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

One, no one is a guarantee. Two, 3B is the best possible outcome. Three, there literally isn't a way the Indians could get Sale

One, agree. Two, would be nice but 2B is most likely imo. Three, agree again!

[WaitTilNextYear]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

OK, my turn to ask for advice again. It's now the offseason before 2015 in my chise. Long post.

I recently bowed out with a whimper in the 2014 ALDS and shortstop has been an ongoing problem for both years of my 'chise. Carlos Correa is getting there, but as of now, Paul Janish would start at SS

I have already made 4 trades over 2 years to address the position, but I have none of the players from those deals left on my roster.

Asdrubal Cabrera left in FA to replace Jeter (retired) in NYC. I wasn't thrilled with him anyway, though he got hot the last half of Sept (got a comp pick )

Freddy Galvis failed to hit a single HR (or above .200) for me in 700 ABs over 2 seasons, and the Dodgers picked him up (but I got a comp pick here too, lol).

Dee Gordon I traded to the Twins. He could not hit his way out of a paper bag AND his defense was suspect at SS.

Brendan Ryan ditto on the hitting (he's now on the Dodgers A Ball team).

So, I made a list of some guys and one guy who stands out is Didi Gregorius of the Snakes.

I realize if it were 2013 I wouldn't even think about it, but ARI was the worst team in the NL last year. Gregorius did not play much in 2013 then hit .220/.293/.350 6 HR 33 RBI 314 AB in 2014. Plus, the Snakes have Jonathan Villar (from me) who is ready (same OVR as Didi) and 1 year younger than Didi. They also have Chris Owings behind him.

So, would it be nuts to go for Didi given all that?

Would they listen if I dangled one of DeShields, Cosart, or Foltynewicz and a secondary piece like Chris Carter? I'm actually thinking DeShields (their 2B is Taylor Lindsey who replaced the traded to TEX Aaron Hill) and Carter (Campana/Pollock/Eaton/J.D. Martinez is their OF rotation) might be a real good fit for them.

So Delino DeShields Jr. + Chris Carter for Didi Gregorius + Josh Lindblom (one of the guys they got back for A. Hill)

They get a young studly starting 2B, a starting OF, and I get a starting SS and a solid bullpen piece.

I figure if Didi pans out for me, I can groom Correa for 3B this year, and move Olt to 1B, and Singleton to DH. So no one would get blocked.

Some other guys I'm looking at: Zack Cozart (behind B-Ham on the depth chart), J-Roll (36, and declining fast, could get 1 year max)

Small fish: Ruben Tejada, Sean Rodriguez, Cliff Pennington, Pedro Florimon Jr., Carlos Triunfel (doubt any of these guys would fix the situation though)

[AC]

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One, agree. Two, would be nice but 2B is most likely imo. Three, agree again!

Kipnis is there, and one would think staying on the left side would be easier for him.

OK, my turn to ask for advice again. It's now the offseason before 2015 in my chise. Long post.

I'm tired enough that I might have misread the entirety of your post but I think you're giving too much for Didi.