2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[shadow2201]

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I was thinking the same!

Agreed, I mean the guy's good, but he had a career .308 BA in the minors, no real power to speak of, no speed, etc. And he plays 3B so you want power from your corner infielder, so he really doesn't fit the bill to be a "stud" per say! Just not seeing the want for this guy being real high?

[hawks223]

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Agreed, I mean the guy's good, but he had a career .308 BA in the minors, no real power to speak of, no speed, etc. And he plays 3B so you want power from your corner infielder, so he really doesn't fit the bill to be a "stud" per say! Just not seeing the want for this guy being real high?

Well he's actually a pretty solid catcher, but they want Rosario's power in the lineup, an he literally can't play anywhere else. He's hardly played 3rd base at all in his life, the Rockies have just stuck him there as they are pretty set everywhere.

He's played 3rd a whole 50 games out of 360 in the minors. Was a 2nd basemen in college, a catcher/1st basemen after being drafted, they pretty much waited till he was in the majors before playing any serious time at 3rd.

[Chetballard]

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Jordan Pacheco is a player I had no idea who he was till, i was browsing for people who had good contact. His is a slow player, with powers in the high 30's. He can play all IF even catcher, and his contact R is 77 while left is 93.

I have not gone through with any trade yet, just was throwing ideas out there.

[hawks223]

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Jordan Pacheco is a player I had no idea who he was till, i was browsing for people who had good contact. His is a slow player, with powers in the high 30's. He can play all IF even catcher, and his contact R is 77 while left is 93.

I have not gone through with any trade yet, just was throwing ideas out there.

He'll stay around a .300 hitter year in an year out. He's a very good hitter with more than enough gap power. Nearly ended up top 10 in doubles for the NL despite only playing 130 games.

[shadow2201]

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Well he's actually a pretty solid catcher, but they want Rosario's power in the lineup, an he literally can't play anywhere else. He's hardly played 3rd base at all in his life, the Rockies have just stuck him there as they are pretty set everywhere.

He's played 3rd a whole 50 games out of 360 in the minors. Was a 2nd basemen in college, a catcher/1st basemen after being drafted, they pretty much waited till he was in the majors before playing any serious time at 3rd.

Either way, he hasn't really shown any promise offensively to be given such a high status around here! He's played 90 games at 3B in the Majors so far, and even if he is a good C, you still want power from your C spot, you want something other than a solid contact rate! Napoli, Rosario, McCann/Gattis, Arencibia, d'Arnaud/Buck, Molina, Posey, Weiters, Doumit, Carlos Santana, all give you power, there are others, that is where the catcher position is, power hitter, granted if his defense is good enough to make up for his lack of production outside of the batting average, then great, but he is still being quite overrated IMO!

[CameRoN0407]

Jameson Tallion. Can he be had?

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Jameson Tallion. Can he be had?

not to me personally

[CameRoN0407]

not to me personally

I was thinking Ellsbury and another 'spect. Ellsbury's hitting with a slash of .321/.441/.481 with 20 HRs and 53 RBIs.

[C_Shearman]

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Hey guys, I've enjoyed this trade discussion thread quite a bit... just seeing what realistic trades other users of The Show have been executing. Although I am a rookie to OS, I think I may be able to help out here with trades involving the Texas Rangers.

[C_Shearman]

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I was thinking Ellsbury and another 'spect. Ellsbury's hitting with a slash of .321/.441/.481 with 20 HRs and 53 RBIs.

I also think Jameson is a lot to give up on a Pirates team that is looking to rebuild with a young core around Cutch.
Ellsbury is a rental player if you are still in the first year. Plus he loses value at a corner outfield spot.

[Totte]

Hey guys, I've enjoyed this trade discussion thread quite a bit... just seeing what realistic trades other users of The Show have been executing. Although I am a rookie to OS, I think I may be able to help out here with trades involving the Texas Rangers.

Feel free to chip in with your insight whenever you feel like it

[C_Shearman]

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What value would you guys give the Yankees' Slade Heathcott and Mason Williams?

I'm using the Yankees and wonder if I should trade one of them along with CC for a bigger return.... (trying to get younger)

[hawks223]

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Either way, he hasn't really shown any promise offensively to be given such a high status around here! He's played 90 games at 3B in the Majors so far, and even if he is a good C, you still want power from your C spot, you want something other than a solid contact rate! Napoli, Rosario, McCann/Gattis, Arencibia, d'Arnaud/Buck, Molina, Posey, Weiters, Doumit, Carlos Santana, all give you power, there are others, that is where the catcher position is, power hitter, granted if his defense is good enough to make up for his lack of production outside of the batting average, then great, but he is still being quite overrated IMO!

Ryan Doumit hardly ever provided power from behind the dish, he averages less than 10 hrs a season for his career. Last year was a career high 18, and he rarely ever catches. Mike Napoli has never caught more than 90 games in a season for his entire career, 3-4 of those rarely if ever touch .250., Molina has also only hit over 14 home runs in a season once his entire career he's 30.

Joe Mauer has a better slugging percentage than 3/4 of them, better OBP than all of them, and his run production blows the doors off of about every single one. You hardly need to hit the ball out of the park to be effective offensively, especially when you can make far more consistent contact, and drive the ball into the gaps. The best hitting catcher you will likely see in your lifetime will average likely no more than 14 hrs per 162 games for his entire career. I'd also bet he consistently hits the ball harder than every single one of those "power" hitters by a long shot. Only one close would be Posey.

Give me the guy who hits .300 with 30-40 doubles, over the guy who hits .240 an maybe 20+ hrs every other year any day of the week.

He just hit .310 as a rookie, with 32 doubles, 3 triples, 5 home runs, and drove in 54 runs while swiping 7 bags in 3/4 of a season. Thats not showing any promise what so ever? How many of those power hitting catchers were better than that offensively in their first season? Most of them couldn't hit a beach ball with a paddle early on.

[shadow2201]

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Ryan Doumit hardly ever provided power from behind the dish, he averages less than 10 hrs a season for his career. Last year was a career high 18, and he rarely ever catches. Mike Napoli has never caught more than 90 games in a season for his entire career, 3-4 of those rarely if ever touch .250., Molina has also only hit over 14 home runs in a season once his entire career he's 30.

Joe Mauer has a better slugging percentage than 3/4 of them, better OBP than all of them, and his run production blows the doors off of about every single one. You hardly need to hit the ball out of the park to be effective offensively, especially when you can make far more consistent contact, and drive the ball into the gaps.

Ryan Doumit has 473 career starts at C, the next closest one is DH with 68, so if that's hardly ever catches, then so be it! Mike Napoli was never real great defensively behind the dish as to why he didn't start as much behind the plate, but he also plays 1st, a corner infield spot, where, you guessed it, you want power. Molina has great defense, and can steal a few bases here and there for you.

I'm not saying you HAVE to have power to play C, but yes it is nice, and it is the way things are going with younger guys, such as Gattis, Zunino, d'Arnaud, Rosario, Weiters, Posey, Santana, SPerez, etc.! Pacheco on the other hand doesn't have the skill set that Mauer does, he's not great at anything! He hasn't proven anything which is why I stick to my original point, which got off track, and that's my bad, that he's being overrated quite a bit in trade discussions! If he had done, what he did last year, for a few years, then ok fine, sell the farm for him, but as of right now, he hasn't done enough to warrant giving a ton of talent for!

It was my fault for making it sound like the only talent a C can have to be worth anything is power, I apologize for going that route, what I was trying to get across is that is the way the position is headed.

[hawks223]

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Ryan Doumit has 473 career starts at C, the next closest one is DH with 68, so if that's hardly ever catches, then so be it! Mike Napoli was never real great defensively behind the dish as to why he didn't start as much behind the plate, but he also plays 1st, a corner infield spot, where, you guessed it, you want power. Molina has great defense, and can steal a few bases here and there for you.

I'm not saying you HAVE to have power to play C, but yes it is nice, and it is the way things are going with younger guys, such as Gattis, Zunino, d'Arnaud, Rosario, Weiters, Posey, Santana, SPerez, etc.! Pacheco on the other hand doesn't have the skill set that Mauer does, he's not great at anything! He hasn't proven anything which is why I stick to my original point, which got off track, and that's my bad, that he's being overrated quite a bit in trade discussions! If he had done, what he did last year, for a few years, then ok fine, sell the farm for him, but as of right now, he hasn't done enough to warrant giving a ton of talent for!

It was my fault for making it sound like the only talent a C can have to be worth anything is power, I apologize for going that route, what I was trying to get across is that is the way the position is headed.

Doumit didn't even catch 60 games last year for the Twins, and it was by far his best season power wise. When he's had to catch his power output has been minimal at best

As for not being great at anything he's hit over .300 for his entire career including the majors. Very few guys that have played the majority of their pro career at catcher can say that. The reason he's not playing that position in Colorado isn't because he can't handle it, it's because Rosario can't handle playing anywhere else.