first pitch meatballs....bug?

[bcruise]

Re: first pitch meatballs....bug?

About RTTS - there's one more thing that's complicating things.

Nomo said it in this thread, and the in-game strategy guide confirms it - the difficulty you're playing at in RTTS isn't the true difficulty level. It moves up or down as you move between the professional levels. Now, as far as what difficulty level each pro level corresponds to (What selectable All-Star equals in AA, for example)...I don't know.

The way I see it it could go one of two ways - it starts at the difficulty you selected and goes up (in this example HOF = AAA, Legend = MLB), or it assumes that MLB is the base and downshifts it accordingly (Rookie = AA, Vet = AAA. I PM'd Nomo hoping to clarify, but I just wanted to remind everyone of that.

[bobtrain]

I opened a ticket in the new bug tracker over at SCEA

If you follow this link: http://www.theshownation.com/bug_reports/10318

You will see what I reported, also if you sign in with your PSN username you can click the (+) symbol to basically say you are experiencing the same problem. The more (+) the faster issue will move up in priority. We have 6 pages of complaints yet no one is voting over at the bug tracker!

Perfect. All of us that see the problem should do the same. It's obvious that its not going far here

[El_MaYiMbE]

Re: first pitch meatballs....bug?

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't this kind of a problem in MLB 12 as well. I remember seeing a lot of meatballs down the middle for the first pitch. I always play on veteran though.

MLB 12 did throw a lot of strikes but it seems like its easier to punish pitches down the middle, and rightfully so, BUT when 9 out of 10 pitches are down the middle you are going to punish 5-6 of those 9...not a good or realistic ratio.

[bobtrain]

About RTTS - there's one more thing that's complicating things.

Nomo said it in this thread, and the in-game strategy guide confirms it - the difficulty you're playing at in RTTS isn't the true difficulty level. It moves up or down as you move between the professional levels. Now, as far as what difficulty level each pro level corresponds to (What selectable All-Star equals in AA, for example)...I don't know.

The way I see it it could go one of two ways - it starts at the difficulty you selected and goes up (in this example HOF = AAA, Legend = MLB), or it assumes that MLB is the base and downshifts it accordingly (Rookie = AA, Vet = AAA. I PM'd Nomo hoping to clarify, but I just wanted to remind everyone of that.

Ok if that's the intended design that's one thing. I don't agree with it if true.

[El_MaYiMbE]

Re: first pitch meatballs....bug?

Perfect. All of us that see the problem should do the same. It's obvious that its not going far here

Only 8 people have hit (+) on my bug report. Please do not duplicate the report just follow my link, sign in with your PSN account, and press (+)...you cant like the post without being signed in

Again use this link below: http://www.theshownation.com/bug_reports/10318

[bobtrain]

Only 8 people have hit (+) on my bug report. Please do not duplicate the report just follow my link, sign in with your PSN account, and press (+)...you cant like the post without being signed in

Again use this link below: [URL]http://www.theshownation.com/bug_reports/10318[URL/]

Perfect, I'll let the others know.

[dkrause1971]

Re: first pitch meatballs....bug?

Only 8 people have hit (+) on my bug report. Please do not duplicate the report just follow my link, sign in with your PSN account, and press (+)...you cant like the post without being signed in

Again use this link below: http://www.theshownation.com/bug_reports/10318

I plussed it but its not always a fastball. I have done a few games against James Shields and it was always a changeup because that is his #1 pitch. The #1 pitch is what they are throwing, just most guys that is a fastball. I filled out a bug report yesterday as well.

http://www.theshownation.com/bug_reports/10370

Really i would like for the thread to just reach a consensus thru testing first and then worry about pushing a bug report.

[El_MaYiMbE]

Re: first pitch meatballs....bug?

I plussed it but its not always a fastball. I have done a few games against James Shields and it was always a changeup because that is his #1 pitch. The #1 pitch is what they are throwing, just most guys that is a fastball.

Fixed...since I have noticed that as well.

Thanks

[orion523]

Re: first pitch meatballs....bug?

So all this fuss over 6 or 7 pitches for a starter?

In the end.....yes. Truthfully I don't see it as a huge deal, I just wouldn't swing at the first pitch if I played RTTS and be done with it but that wasn't the issue at least for me. The issue was does this "bug" exist, and I think it does when you're talking about the first pitch of an inning.

[El_MaYiMbE]

Re: first pitch meatballs....bug?

Really i would like for the thread to just reach a consensus thru testing first and then worry about pushing a bug report.

Well let them worry about finding the true issue, the SCEA still has to replicate it in order for them to acknowledge it regardless. But I think most people agree that 85%-90% of the time the PC throws a fat one for a strike.

All that really needs to happen is for them to make it more inline with the MLB average which I think is somewhere in the 50%-60% range. On top of that as the pitchers confidence goes down, and stamina that number should drop. It should be harder to hit your spot even on first pitch.

[EVerk]

Re: first pitch meatballs....bug?

The meatball is definitely an issue. I have had problems with hitting in other versions of The Show, but this year playing on all-star mode through RTTS with sliders at default I've been knocking the cover off the first pitch. I hit .550 12hrs at AA (through 140 ab's), got called up to AAA and hit .431 with 14hrs through another 150 ab's and got called up to the big leagues after the AAA all-star game. My player is 65ovr with minimal batting attributes (under 55 for all hitting categories, under 40 for power) and I hit .390 with 10hrs in just over 100 ab's in the bigs.

I'm guessing high-inside fastball on every first pitch and I'm right over half the time. Not even in-game considerations seem to effect how pitchers pitch you (i.e, runner on 2nd/3rd with 1 out pitchers still seem to want to throw a FB right down the middle).

That said, I'm not complaining. I like being able to hit this year. But it has taken away some of the challenge knowing you should swing at every first pitch.

[BlueSkies7776]

Re: first pitch meatballs....bug?

In the end.....yes. Truthfully I don't see it as a huge deal, I just wouldn't swing at the first pitch if I played RTTS and be done with it but that wasn't the issue at least for me. The issue was does this "bug" exist, and I think it does when you're talking about the first pitch of an inning.

The problem is that it isn't a bug, it's logic. It's who ever designed the A.I. logic. The tricky thing is to convince San Diego Studio to recognize this logic as a problem, understand the problem fully, and then fix it. It's a lot easier for them to understand a technical bug and fix it because it basically stares them in the face. But not this.

Remember last year there was the outfielders depth logic, that was never fixed.

[dkrause1971]

Re: first pitch meatballs....bug?

The problem is that it isn't a bug, it's logic. It's who ever designed the A.I. logic. The tricky thing is to convince San Diego Studio to recognize this logic as a problem, understand the problem fully, and then fix it. It's a lot easier for them to understand a technical bug and fix it because it basically stares them in the face. But not this.

Remember last year there was the outfielders depth logic, that was never fixed.

And this could be the answer, the reason and the whole story right there. I just hope to get the issue to the devs attention. From there we can do nothing else.

[OUSOONERS#1]

Re: first pitch meatballs....bug?

It is clearly a problem with cpu throwing way to many strikes regardless of settings and regardless of mode.

[jmik58]

Re: first pitch meatballs....bug?

And this could be the answer, the reason and the whole story right there. I just hope to get the issue to the devs attention. From there we can do nothing else.

This is exactly what I'm saying, and I don't think you guys are going to like the response (or lack thereof) regarding such an "issue".

It's all about the "fun" factor versus "realism". "Fun" sells games and to the vast majority of people, "Fun" is winning. For us, realism is "fun" but we aren't most people.

It's the same reason Madden won't change some of their sketchy programming logic, because it would cause players to lose. Kids don't like to lose, when they do they get mad and quit playing. When they get mad and quit playing they don't ask for next year's game. This is a problem for game developers.

How perfectly fitting that someone mentioned the outfielder depth a few posts above. I was one of the individuals who went to great lengths a few years back to proclaim that the outfielder depth was an issue. Essentially what we found out was this: SCEA knows and they have outfielders too deep ON PURPOSE.

The reason they do this is essentially a "short cut" to make sure that the game doesn't produce too many doubles/extra-base hits. It's really tough because these types of short-cuts are made in programming logic to try and keep the game realistic, but fun, but realistic, but...

Anyways, if this is the case (that it's purposeful programming) then ask yourself 'Why?' -- and the answer is: "Because it sells games."

Therefore, don't expect much of a change to this, if the cause is what myself and a few others suspect.