first pitch meatballs....bug?

[PsychoBulk]

Re: first pitch meatballs....bug?

My most damning evidence yet i would suggest.



9 out of 13 first pitches absolute meatballs right down the pipe (looks like 8 but there are two red dots on top of each other on the right hand side).

Proof, clearly, that not EVERY first pitch of an inning is a meatball, as 4 of them were not, but 9 out of 13?

Thats an extraordinarily high percentage, and completely unrealistic.

I was on default All-Star, as per the test conditions discussed above, literally swung at every first pitch of an inning then fast forwarded to the next one.

Not sure why 13 are shown but the important data is quite clearly obvious.

Thoughts?

[dkrause1971]

Re: first pitch meatballs....bug?

My most damning evidence yet i would suggest.



9 out of 13 first pitches absolute meatballs right down the pipe (looks like 8 but there are two red dots on top of each other on the right hand side).

Proof, clearly, that not EVERY first pitch of an inning is a meatball, as 4 of them were not, but 9 out of 13?

Thats an extraordinarily high percentage, and completely unrealistic.

I was on default All-Star, as per the test conditions discussed above, literally swung at every first pitch of an inning then fast forwarded to the next one.

Not sure why 13 are shown but the important data is quite clearly obvious.

Thoughts?

This is what i was saying earlier, you will get more pitches shown than you actually faced. I am not sure why that is happening, i had some ideas earlier in the thread on why, but i couldn't pinpoint why. It actually makes it looks like less than a problem than is it (although it still looks really bad). Problem is without video taping it its the only way you can show the issue in a way that most would believe.

Thank you for the picture and testing. Were all pitches, the pitchers #1 pitch? Of the ones you recall facing, the extra pitches in the picture would skew that some. I would suggest facing a pitcher who's #1 pitch is something different, like Shields with a changeup.

[sydrogerdavid]

Re: first pitch meatballs....bug?

Could it be that they are just throwing get-me-over strikes? Maybe these pitchers also kept throwing them right down the middle because they kept getting you out on them? There is more red there than green.

[dkrause1971]

Re: first pitch meatballs....bug?

Could it be that they are just throwing get-me-over strikes? Maybe these pitchers also kept throwing them right down the middle because they kept getting you out on them? There is more red there than green.

That is possible and reasonable, when you start to do it for many games like i have i think it starts to go out the window. Even if the CPU reading of human tendency carries thru CPU fast forwards. You do not find this in other ABs at this rate, also i have had games where the first 3-4 times i have had hits and it still occurs. I would think you would see a larger pitch variety as well.

[N51_rob]

Re: first pitch meatballs....bug?

My most damning evidence yet i would suggest.



9 out of 13 first pitches absolute meatballs right down the pipe (looks like 8 but there are two red dots on top of each other on the right hand side).

Proof, clearly, that not EVERY first pitch of an inning is a meatball, as 4 of them were not, but 9 out of 13?

Thats an extraordinarily high percentage, and completely unrealistic.

I was on default All-Star, as per the test conditions discussed above, literally swung at every first pitch of an inning then fast forwarded to the next one.

Not sure why 13 are shown but the important data is quite clearly obvious.

Thoughts?

The bigger problem I am seeing is that the pitchers are serving them up because they are getting outs. I am seeing that a lot too. Balls that should be getting killed are routine outs. If I were to throw my pitches in the same tight grouping to the CPU there would be a lot more green and very little red. Seems like the CPU is getting away with being in the heart of the plate.

[Bobhead]

Re: first pitch meatballs....bug?

Does someone feel like doing this:

Following the same old, default all-star etc... start an exhibition game.

Go to select teams, switch to the middle so that it's a CPU vs CPU game. Allow the CPU to hit the very first pitch.
Take back control, fast forward. Repeat

Alternatively, try jacking up the Human Power and Solid Hits sliders so that you are capable of crushing everything in the middle, then swing at the pitches yourself.

This way we can see if the issue is in the AI side, or the CPU actively does it because "it can", with a lack consequence, as described in the post directly above...

[PsychoBulk]

Re: first pitch meatballs....bug?

There is a home run in there, you can see the "4", Quentin hit a bomb.

I honestly dont believe, from what ive seen, that it makes any difference whatsoever whether you hit the CPU hard or not off these meatballs, they simply continue to throw them.

We need more analysis like this to perhaps solidify the point.

[metal134]

Re: first pitch meatballs....bug?

Could it be that they are just throwing get-me-over strikes? Maybe these pitchers also kept throwing them right down the middle because they kept getting you out on them? There is more red there than green.

And if one (and by one, I mean me) keeps swinging at them and smacking them for double after double, yet STILL consistently get them, then what?

[dkrause1971]

Re: first pitch meatballs....bug?

Does someone feel like doing this:

Following the same old, default all-star etc... start an exhibition game.

Go to select teams, switch to the middle so that it's a CPU vs CPU game. Allow the CPU to hit the very first pitch.
Take back control, fast forward. Repeat

Alternatively, try jacking up the Human Power and Solid Hits sliders so that you are capable of crushing everything in the middle, then swing at the pitches yourself.

This way we can see if the issue is in the AI side, or the CPU actively does it because "it can", with a lack consequence, as described in the post directly above...

CPU Vs CPU
Cubs vs Atl- vs Medlin. Exhibition- First pitch of inning only
Garza pitched 6 innings- all pitches were #1 pitch. Two were meatballs, five were strikes, 1 was a ball.

Bowden pitched the 7th- threw his #1 pitch, was a strike

Takahashi pitched the 8th- threw his #1 pitch, was a meatball.

Total for Chicago- #1 pitch threw all innings (8), 3 i listed as a meatball. 7 were strikes, 1 was a ball


Atlanta
Medlin- pitched 8 innings. All pitches were his #1 pitch, 1 was a meatball, 7 were strikes, 1 ball

Kimbrel- pitched the 9th, Threw his #1 pitch, was a strike
Total for Atlanta- #1 pitch thrown all innings (9), 1 meatball, 8 strikes, 1 ball

Notes- i am defining meatball by the ball in the middle square, fully or partially

[Bobhead]

Re: first pitch meatballs....bug?

I started a game, jacked the human batting sliders ONLY... to make sure I was punishing pitches down the middle.
It was Hall of Fame batting difficulty, Exhibition mode, against an MLB team.
All other sliders were on default.
My procedure was as follows:
1. I started a game
2. Took control of the side batting.
3. Swung at the first pitch, with the intention of hitting it.
4. Immediately fast forwarded to the next half inning.
5. Repeated steps 2-4 until the game ended.

Each picture is followed by a duplicate with the pitch type labels, so you can see how many of the pitches were fastballs (hint: all of them)

[PsychoBulk]

Re: first pitch meatballs....bug?

1 ball from 24 pitches, 23 strikes.

Not good at all from a realism standpoint, at least they weren't all meatballs but still, clear evidence that default CPU pitching is way off, sliders needed.

[StylinStarlin88]

Re: first pitch meatballs....bug?

I agree with most that there are way too many first pitch strikes so far. But you have to keep in mind that if you are playing RTTS you're in AA, wait till you get to AAA and MLB and we'll see how many first pitch strikes we'll get once pitchers around the league know who we are.

I am in my 18th game in RTTS and had to bump the difficulty up to HOF and tweak the sliders a bit because hitting seems a bit easier, and I expected that when the announcement came out about the "Wider Timing Window" and "Beginner mode" so it was expected the mode might get a little easier, just hoping I don't have to jump to Legend and pray that's hard enough

[merchant1874]

Re: first pitch meatballs....bug?

Is this exclusively an All Star thing?

I just played a couple of games on HOF and didn't see this at all I have a pic too if you want to see it. (Sorry for quality taken with phone for quickness).

Again don't know why it is showing more pitches than I faced.

[Bobhead]

Re: first pitch meatballs....bug?

Is this exclusively an All Star thing?

I just played a couple of games on HOF and didn't see this at all I have a pic too if you want to see it. (Sorry for quality taken with phone for quickness).

Again don't know why it is showing more pitches than I faced.

I meant to say, my pictures above were from HoF difficulty, so it's weird that you don't see it and I did.

As for the analysis screen adding pitches, I think it's something to do with the simulation engine. I didn't spend too much time investigating since that's not what this thread is about, but it seems like the Fast Forward thing adds another first pitch in there, if that pitch ends up being the final pitch of the at-bat, or something like that. I just know that after swinging, I'd pause, check the analysis screen, and it'd say like, 8 pitches. Then I fast forwarded and checked again (before swinging), and it'd say 9.

[BrianU]

Re: first pitch meatballs....bug?

I started a game, jacked the human batting sliders ONLY... to make sure I was punishing pitches down the middle.
It was Hall of Fame batting difficulty, Exhibition mode, against an MLB team.
All other sliders were on default.
My procedure was as follows:
1. I started a game
2. Took control of the side batting.
3. Swung at the first pitch, with the intention of hitting it.
4. Immediately fast forwarded to the next half inning.
5. Repeated steps 2-4 until the game ended.

Each picture is followed by a duplicate with the pitch type labels, so you can see how many of the pitches were fastballs (hint: all of them)

Great work detective!

Now we have to check each variable one by one. The guy above me posted his findings on Hall of fame could you try that out with your same method when you have a chance and let us know how it goes?