first pitch meatballs....bug?

[dkrause1971]

Re: first pitch meatballs....bug?

Here is the thing with the problem. You have to have the problem first, then you need to notice its a problem, then you need to test the problem. Guys posting pictures of not having it are proving nothing. All your doing it proving you do not have rather it than dismissing the data in the thread proving it. My game doesn't have the stutter issue, does that mean if i post a video without it that those people are wrong? The first pitch of the inning is a very high strike rate and the pitchers #1 pitch is thrown an extremely high percentage of the time compared to the rest of the game without the workaround.

Below are three pictures. Pitching is Wandy Rodriguez. I chose him because his #1 pitch is a curveball which just stands out. In the non workaround game you'll see more strikes, more middle of the zone strikes, and a very high rate of the curveball thrown. I think it was very pitch (meaning all curveball while he was in). In the workaround game its a mix and the fewer strikes.

The first picture is a game with the workaround.
The second picture is the times the pitcher threw his #1 pitch in that game.
The third picture is without the workaround.

This is the game i pulled the pictures from.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2pZR27v3Aw

I also sure some will dismiss this as 2 games. I have posted data after data in this thread. This is what i get every game regardless if i hit better, hit worse, use different modes, different difficulty, different teams, etc without the workaround. I would like to add i don't' think its a meatball issue per se. I think of it more of a high strike, high Pitch #1 problem. Granted, more strikes tend to mean more meatballs.

Nomo, in the video you can see the pre workaround PCI and post workaround PCIs. They appear the same to me.

[StylinStarlin88]

Re: first pitch meatballs....bug?

Not to sound like an a hole or anything, but if you are not having this issue why are you even posting in the thread? Most people playing the game are seeing this issue, and we are trying to get it looked at, but it doesnt help with a few people always come into bug threads and claim they are not having the issue and arguing with everyone that is having the issue.

It just makes it more confusing for the devs to figure out what ticket they need to look at first.

Its great you are not having an issue and you did show you are not, but dont try and argue with people that are.

I have played a few games and all my HRs (10 in 4 games) have been solo shots from the first pitch of each inning.

Even if the meatball is not happening 100% if the time, its still happening a good percent of the time, and maybe its only happening on the start pitcher but this is def. an issue that needs to be looked into.

Also have you tried playing an exibition or season/chise game? To see if you see this issue then. Maybe its not as bad in RTTS.

Its now on 60 pages, if it was not an issue this thread wouldnt have so many pages.

I agree 100%

[Curahee]

Re: first pitch meatballs....bug?

Not to sound like an a hole or anything, but if you are not having this issue why are you even posting in the thread? Most people playing the game are seeing this issue,

OK well first off, Im just sharing my experience. Secondly, bug threads like this dont get recorded, so the chances of a Dev looking here for an issue or fix is slim. Thats why the Bug Reporter was created.
Notice not one has commented yet or asked for clarification. None that Ive seen anyway. Third, I never said it wasnt a bug. I simply posted what I see. Im sorry if you are offended by my experience in the game, but I believe it is more AAI related and less bug related.

[birthday_massacre]

Re: first pitch meatballs....bug?

OK well first off, Im just sharing my experience. Secondly, bug threads like this dont get recorded, so the chances of a Dev looking here for an issue or fix is slim. Thats why the Bug Reporter was created.
Notice not one has commented yet or asked for clarification. None that Ive seen anyway. Third, I never said it wasnt a bug. I simply posted what I see. Im sorry if you are offended by my experience in the game, but I believe it is more AAI related and less bug related.

The devs do read these forums, and even on the bug report there is a link to this exact thread.

It has over 80 votes for people having this very issue.

Also I am not offended, all I am saying is, debating with people that are having the issue is not going to solve anything.

If you want to try and help people maybe give what settings you are using, sliders etc, so those of use having the issues can try your settings and see if that resolves the problem.

Like in the stuttering thread, I am not having the issue so when I posted in that thread, I said here is the camera angle I am using while not getting the issue and I also said I never did use the code in the box and maybe that has something to do with it.

Its ok to post in the thread you are not having the issue, but it seems to me like you are telling people there is not an issue and that is what i was more referring to.

So let me ask you, what settings and sliders are you using. Maybe we can try to use your settings and sliders and see if that helps with this meat ball pitch we are seeing.

[dkrause1971]

Re: first pitch meatballs....bug?

OK well first off, Im just sharing my experience. Secondly, bug threads like this dont get recorded, so the chances of a Dev looking here for an issue or fix is slim. Thats why the Bug Reporter was created.
Notice not one has commented yet or asked for clarification. None that Ive seen anyway. Third, I never said it wasnt a bug. I simply posted what I see. Im sorry if you are offended by my experience in the game, but I believe it is more AAI related and less bug related.

You have to realize that those with the issue end up have to defend it every day, it seems in this thread a guy or two will pop in and say- i don't see it. When some come in and post a picture like yours it make them feel like your calling them stupid or a lier as why would you be posting a picture otherwise. It would be like not being able to post a video of the stutter problem and those without it are telling them it doesn't exist. They are just sensitive because not only are they fighting to get the devs to look at it, they have to defend what they are seeing. Do you know how hard it is to convince others of a problem they are not seeing? Its not easy unless its a slam dunk obvious in a video like the stuttering.

As for the devs not commenting, i wouldn't look too much into that. They comment in alot of minor threads. I actually think them not commenting here means they were not sure if it was a problem so they didn't want to say one way or the other. The issue is in progress of being looked at according to the bug report site, so it must be carrying some weight.

[nomo17k]

Re: first pitch meatballs....bug?

why are some people beating the dead horse?

the issue exists.

unless you are helping to find the cause, do not bother posing.

do not need any more noise.

[sooner1]

Re: first pitch meatballs....bug?

What is the work around?

[woody2goody]

It seems to come in phases.

For the 10 or so games I'd played until today, I'd seen a fair few fastballs down the middle, but not too many.

This afternoon I hosted the Cubs at Nationals Park, Strasburg vs Samardzjia (sp?) and it seemed like nearly every first pitch was down the middle.

Now I checked after 6/7 innings or so, and actually there were only 3-5 pitches in the middle square, and several in the zone but not great pitches to hit.

The slightly worrying thing is that by the time I had taken a 7-1 lead, the relievers came in and still insisted on throwing first pitch fastballs in the middle, which ended up extending the lead to 12-1.

I think because of the changes to the game this year, pitches appear easier to hit, but there definitely are a few too many down the middle.

I throw them as well by accident, but it's almost as if the CPU is aiming there early in the count and that can't be intentional on the devs' part.

This was the first time I'd scored more than 7 runs though, and it hasn't occurred every time. Santana for instance was almost unhittable.

[El_MaYiMbE]

Re: first pitch meatballs....bug?

It seems to come in phases.

For the 10 or so games I'd played until today, I'd seen a fair few fastballs down the middle, but not too many.

This afternoon I hosted the Cubs at Nationals Park, Strasburg vs Samardzjia (sp?) and it seemed like nearly every first pitch was down the middle.

Now I checked after 6/7 innings or so, and actually there were only 3-5 pitches in the middle square, and several in the zone but not great pitches to hit.

The slightly worrying thing is that by the time I had taken a 7-1 lead, the relievers came in and still insisted on throwing first pitch fastballs in the middle, which ended up extending the lead to 12-1.

I think because of the changes to the game this year, pitches appear easier to hit, but there definitely are a few too many down the middle.

I throw them as well by accident, but it's almost as if the CPU is aiming there early in the count and that can't be intentional on the devs' part.

This was the first time I'd scored more than 7 runs though, and it hasn't occurred every time. Santana for instance was almost unhittable.

I think the problem might have been there in the past, the difference is, it was harder too hit before. Now that its easier to hit (in a good way) the pitches down the middle are being ripped by the users.

If it were just as easy to hit, but with varied location/pitch selection, I think it would be almost perfect.

[El_MaYiMbE]

Re: first pitch meatballs....bug?

OK well first off, Im just sharing my experience. Secondly, bug threads like this dont get recorded, so the chances of a Dev looking here for an issue or fix is slim. Thats why the Bug Reporter was created.
Notice not one has commented yet or asked for clarification. None that Ive seen anyway. Third, I never said it wasnt a bug. I simply posted what I see. Im sorry if you are offended by my experience in the game, but I believe it is more AAI related and less bug related.

I have opened a bug report and this has already been brought to the Devs attention over at SCEA (as I have mentioned about 3 times in this thread), but since everyone is busy complaining about it they do not realize it is being addressed and your vote helps it get addressed.

If you visit: http://www.theshownation.com/bug_reports/10318

You will see 85 people voted in favor of this bug, and the Devs have someone looking into the issue.

So yes we are beating a stinky, rotting, dead horse, but it has not been for no reason. I actually included a link to this thread as well so they are doubly aware of issue.

[Curahee]

Re: first pitch meatballs....bug?

Also I am not offended, all I am saying is, debating with people that are having the issue is not going to solve anything.

I get what youre saying, but I wasnt debating the issue with anyone.
My first post only said, "First Pitch analysis in RTTS. Im not seeing any meatballs."

There was no debate nor argument intended or implied.
Just a simple statement of personal game experience or lack of bug experience.


Plus the reply from the devs on the Bug Reporter is...

We have sent this to our AI folks and we are looking into this for a game update.

[speels]

Re: first pitch meatballs....bug?

I think someone mentioned this before, but my guess is it has something to do with the new beginner mode. For some reason it seems that the CPU pitchers make that first pitch and then are like "Oh crap, this player's not a beginner!!" And then forgets this every inning!!

Hopefully they find the cause of this issue and are able to fix it, but as for now, the workaround of calling timeout before after the CPU pitcher picks his first pitch, but before he throws it, seems to alleviate many of the issues.

Although sometimes, when I'm behind, I "forget" to call time.

[PsychoBulk]

Re: first pitch meatballs....bug?

I think someone mentioned this before, but my guess is it has something to do with the new beginner mode. For some reason it seems that the CPU pitchers make that first pitch and then are like "Oh crap, this player's not a beginner!!" And then forgets this every inning!!

I think thats exactly whats causing it, as do a few others, its somehow starting every inning in beginner mode then clicking out of it after the first pitch.

Hopefully an easy enough fix for the devs

[ParisB]

Re: first pitch meatballs....bug?

I think thats exactly whats causing it, as do a few others, its somehow starting every inning in beginner mode then clicking out of it after the first pitch.

Hopefully an easy enough fix for the devs

I agree. From there, the gameplay spirals out of control unrealistically. Whether it's too many easy smashes, or too many 0-1 counts, or too many quick outs etc.

[barsoffury]

Re: first pitch meatballs....bug?

I would agree with the guys above, how maybe it is the beginner mode because once that first pitch strike comes the second pitch is nowhere near the middle of the plate. I would actually say well over 50% of the time it's a ball but when it is a strike it's near borderline.

Also I think this may be built in for all levels because with people complaining in the past that hitting was too difficult what better way to improve it then by lobbing a nice tasty piece of meat right down the pipe first pitch.