first pitch meatballs....bug?

[MLB Bob]

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Were you letting every first pitch go by?

In my RTTS I wasnt letting them go by. I was taking them deep or at least for doubles off the wall, and they still pitched them down the middle. Not sure if lowering the cpu strike frequency and consistency also affects my computer controlled pitcher in my 1Bman RTTS but I was having a lot of 11-15 saw a 17-18 game. Lots of high scores. Ive mostly played RTTS. In the exhibition game I played I just noticed how much easier it was to hit.

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Swing hard in case you hit it!

[jmik58]

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I just fired up an exhibition game between the Twins and Astros to test this out. I'm just not seeing what many others are. I think starting pitchers want to get ahead so they try to throw first-pitch strikes which are often fastballs. The ones for strikes weren't in the center "square" of the hot/cold zone though. As the game wore on the starters' command changed as well. When the bullpen guys came in they threw more first pitch strikes, but that's how it is in real life. Those guys may only have one or two pitches working and they HAVE to get ahead or they get the hook.

I was seeing about 60% first pitch strikes, and only two or three were what I call meatballs. I hit three home runs in the game on first pitch fastballs, however, not a single one was down the pipe. One was up and in, another down and away, and the third was on the outside corner.

At one point I counted five straight batters who took a first-pitch ball. Three were fastballs.

To be honest, it just feels like baseball to me.

[dalger21]

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I just fired up an exhibition game between the Twins and Astros to test this out. I'm just not seeing what many others are. I think starting pitchers want to get ahead so they try to throw first-pitch strikes which are often fastballs. The ones for strikes weren't in the center "square" of the hot/cold zone though. As the game wore on the starters' command changed as well. When the bullpen guys came in they threw more first pitch strikes, but that's how it is in real life. Those guys may only have one or two pitches working and they HAVE to get ahead or they get the hook.

I was seeing about 60% first pitch strikes, and only two or three were what I call meatballs. I hit three home runs in the game on first pitch fastballs, however, not a single one was down the pipe. One was up and in, another down and away, and the third was on the outside corner.

To be honest, it just feels like baseball to me.

Play RttS. You will see it then.

[lopey986]

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I notice in AA of RTTS this is pretty prevalent, I hit something like .450 with 20+ homers in a half season. However when I played in the futures game against a good pitcher I struggled, he threw a lot of breaking stuff at me. And then in my 2nd year I was placed on the 40 man and invited to spring training and holy schnikes did I struggle. Dont think I saw a single fast ball, a lot of breaking stuff outside the zone, good pitchers don't need to throw stuff down the middle because they have such good accuracy and can work the edges, definitely makes it harder on the hitter. I've only played 2 quick play games, one as cardinals against garza and the cubs and the other as cardinals against cueto and the reds and both games were close affairs, maybe i'm just not that good, but i have really really enjoyed the gameplay thus far.

[lopey986]

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Play RttS. You will see it then.

yeah, in AA when you are facing 50-60 overall pitchers. wait until you get invited to spring training or promoted to the bigs, HUUUGE difference. in real life a lot of low level minors guys are forced to throw a lot of fastballs because they do not have developed secondary pitches, i don't have a problem with the way it has worked at all. i can tell right now i'm gonna struggle big time when i first get called up because i wont be able to jump all over fastballs ill have to watch the whole zone and will myself to stop chasing junk.

[MLB Bob]

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The people that seem to not be getting it, try it in RTTS If this is an issue, and I believe it is , but it may not be so im not declaring anyone right or wrong, but my logic is: If its happening on the first pitch of an at bat each inning in other modes, than in RTTS, since I am only batting in my RTTS, is always the first pitch of the inning. Before it never showed the pitches in the history for your team mates. So this, to me, seems like a little quirk in franchise, exhibition etc that gets magnified in RTTS due to only seeing my player bat. I noticed this before I came here and saw a thread.

[dkrause1971]

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I just fired up an exhibition game between the Twins and Astros to test this out. I'm just not seeing what many others are. I think starting pitchers want to get ahead so they try to throw first-pitch strikes which are often fastballs. The ones for strikes weren't in the center "square" of the hot/cold zone though. As the game wore on the starters' command changed as well. When the bullpen guys came in they threw more first pitch strikes, but that's how it is in real life. Those guys may only have one or two pitches working and they HAVE to get ahead or they get the hook.

I was seeing about 60% first pitch strikes, and only two or three were what I call meatballs. I hit three home runs in the game on first pitch fastballs, however, not a single one was down the pipe. One was up and in, another down and away, and the third was on the outside corner.

At one point I counted five straight batters who took a first-pitch ball. Three were fastballs.

To be honest, it just feels like baseball to me.

Did you only factor first pitch of the inning? If you didn't then you missed what the problem was in exhibition. Like i said a few times in this thread. People are confused what the problem is, they come in here and think its first pitches to everyone because the RTTS guys said it was. In RTTS that is the issue. In exhibition, its not. In exhibition its the first pitch of the inning.

[lopey986]

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Did you only factor first pitch of the inning? If you didn't then you missed what the problem was in exhibition. Like i said a few times in this thread. People are confused what the problem is, they come in here and think its first pitches to everyone because the RTTS guys said it was. In RTTS that is the issue. In exhibition, its not.

i dont think its even an issue in RTTS...it happened a lot in AA, but you've got to remember you're facing crummy pitchers at that level. All theyve got is a fastball and a bunch of stuff they cant control, just like real life, and they are forced to rely on that fastball A LOT. as you progress through RTTS this pretty much dissapears, in my first spring training i got dealt a steady diet of off speed junk balls and struggled big time, i can only imagine what will happen when i'm facing the nationals pitching staff in a 3/4 game series.

[dalger21]

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I have noticed that since I have switched to HoF and increased both discipline and vision, it only seems to happen the 1st ab of a game instead of 3-4 times. I know in the past, I would receive more walks once my disc and vis went up. Not sure if there is any correlation to the issue at hand tho

[AUTiger1]

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Were you letting every first pitch go by?

Yeah. I did it just for this game so I could see what other people were seeing. In the whole game on 3 at-bats wasn't a first pitch fastball. Not all of the first pitch fastballs were strikes but most of them were. They weren't all meatballs. It's not that the CPU is throwing first pitch strikes that is the problem but that all but 3 first pitches were fastballs.

[lopey986]

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Yeah. I did it just for this game so I could see what other people were seeing. In the whole game on 3 at-bats wasn't a first pitch fastball. Not all of the first pitch fastballs were strikes but most of them were. They weren't all meatballs. It's not that the CPU is throwing first pitch strikes that is the problem but that all but 3 first pitches were fastballs.

im sure if you face a pitcher whose #1 pitch is not a fastball they will throw that 90% of the time on their first pitch, thats kind of the way baseball works, pitchers throw their best pitch to try to get ahead in the count before working around the edges of the zone.

[js3512]

Yeah. I did it just for this game so I could see what other people were seeing. In the whole game on 3 at-bats wasn't a first pitch fastball. Not all of the first pitch fastballs were strikes but most of them were. They weren't all meatballs. It's not that the CPU is throwing first pitch strikes that is the problem but that all but 3 first pitches were fastballs.

Most pitchers irl throw first pitch fastballs to get ahead. The only time they don't is if they're facing an established fastball hitter or if they're trying to pitch around a guy or get out of a jam.

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[zpq12]

im sure if you face a pitcher whose #1 pitch is not a fastball they will throw that 90% of the time on their first pitch, thats kind of the way baseball works, pitchers throw their best pitch to try to get ahead in the count before working around the edges of the zone.

Come on man. They throw their best pitch right down Mainstreet? Every time? If that we're the way it were, hitters would see it on film and just sit on it.

[dkrause1971]

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im sure if you face a pitcher whose #1 pitch is not a fastball they will throw that 90% of the time on their first pitch, thats kind of the way baseball works, pitchers throw their best pitch to try to get ahead in the count before working around the edges of the zone.

This thread is useless because we have posters of different modes talking in the same thread. Its confusing people and they come in here posting about how they are not seeing certain things when they are not understanding what we claim is wrong.

In RTTS, people are saying the first pitch of the AB is the pitchers #1 pitch and its down the middle of the plate. Also when a reliever comes this occurs. This is every AB from what i read.

In exhibition, i am saying its the first pitch of the inning only that it occurs, and possibly when a reliever comes in. Not every AB.

See the differences here?

Comments like the pitcher is doing it to get ahead, then why are they not doing that consistently other than the first pitch of the inning in exhibition? I have posted a few times how to test this exhibition. A quick way is to only face the first pitch of the inning and then sim to the next inning. Keep track along the way. I have done this for many games now and its the pitchers #1 pitch, generally down the middle with the first pitch of the inning only. After that they pitch like they normally would. This is on all-star.