first pitch meatballs....bug?

[ralphus8]

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If it's only RTTS perhaps its because your created player has no hot zones/tendencies for the pitching to throw to so he defaults to middle of the plate. Thats just a theory though, does it happen even after you get promoted to the MLB?

I can confirm that my RTTS batter did not have any hot or cold zones when I noticed the trend to throw meatballs. I'll check tonight and see if it changes as my player develops tendencies.

[kilmar1]

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I can confirm that my RTTS batter did not have any hot or cold zones when I noticed the trend to throw meatballs. I'll check tonight and see if it changes as my player develops tendencies.

I have over 400 at bats and definitely have hot/cold zones yet it still happens, so I don't think that's it.

[WhiteMan22]

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I guess I really never took noticed to it until I saw people saying something. Then I was like "Wait, I am getting a lot of fastballs down the middle on the first pitch".

For me I would say it happens about 40% of the time. I'll see the CPU throw a changeup or a curve here and there, and other times they'll throw a fast ball at a different part of the plate.

[ralphus8]

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I feel like a lot of guys aren't understanding what this issue is painted to be.

It's not the 1st pitch of every at-bat. It's the first pitch... period. THE first pitch a given pitcher ever throws, in a particular game. If you use 3 pitchers, there's only 3 "first pitches."

At least for me it was the first pitch of every AB. I did have one AB where I got a first pitch curveball that was for a strike.

[RandyBass]

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I feel like a lot of guys aren't understanding what this issue is painted to be.

It's not the 1st pitch of every at-bat. It's the first pitch... period. THE first pitch a given pitcher ever throws, in a particular game. If you use 3 pitchers, there's only 3 "first pitches."

Huh?

*reads original post carefully, along with other posts*

Hmmm...

Not... Sure... If... Operation Sports... Is... Useful... Anymore...

[Bobhead]

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First, I just want to say that so far I have not noticed this issue, though I am not saying it doesn't exist.

At CD, there was a discussion about first pitches and how hittable they were or were not. I think they were discussing the first pitches of all at-bats, but I cannot be certain.

Basically, my point is that SCEA does test these sort of things.

Bobhead, are you seeing anything in particular relating to this issue during your CPU vs. CPU testing? Do you know offhand how first pitch strikes in general are so far?

I was just clarifying what I thought the issue to be.

I haven't actually seen much myself. I have seen what seems to be an unusual number of 1st pitch fastballs, but they are not all necessarily meatballs, or even in the strike zone. In fact just as I was reading your post I got a 1st pitch fastball in the dirt, thus not a meatball. And this is in RTTS mind you, where I fully believe that minor league pitchers are intentionally programmed to be morons, making that even more inconclusive.

So I haven't really seen much supporting evidence.

In my CPU vs CPU testing, I'm not actually watching the games, but in the two games I've checked since reading this thread, every pitcher's first pitch was a fastball near the middle.

But that's only 2 games. On top of that, I'm pretty sure real life pitchers throw a lot more fastballs when they are first entering the game anyway.

[sydrogerdavid]

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I concur with the guys saying there are many first pitch meatballs in RTTS. I'm in AA, on All-Star. I wouldn't say there are too many, there are just a lot. Maybe it will change when the pitchers get better as you climb up. I know when I faced Roy Halladay in a regular game, he wasn't doing the same things AA pitchers were.

[WhiteMan22]

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I concur with the guys saying there are many first pitch meatballs in RTTS. I'm in AA, on All-Star. I wouldn't say there are too many, there are just a lot. Maybe it will change when the pitchers get better as you climb up. I know when I faced Roy Halladay in a regular game, he wasn't doing the same things AA pitchers were.

That's what I keep telling myself. The AA pitchers aren't that great, so it'll get better as I move up.

[BrianU]

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3:03- first pitch of the inning- #1 pitch right down the middle

To Update another game i had- every first pitch of the inning was a #1 pitch down the middle. To reiterate, the first pitch of the inning is almost always the #1 pitch down the middle. This is the second game i tracked and only once was it not a #1 pitch. This is the only time i see this issue. Only the first pitch of an inning. This is on all-star, Exhibition games.

It would well be the first overall of a pitcher in addition. I have only seen 5 relievers in those two games. Three of them started fresh at the start of the inning.

I see that Top of the fourth after the guy in the video simmed a few innings that Niese throws the very FIRST pitch down the middle. Rest of the at bats FIRST pitch in the inning are: down and outside cutter vs Mccutchen, curveball in the dirt vs Jones

next inning First pitch a curveball down and outside the zone to Martin. I do not see any problem in this video.

I feel like a lot of guys aren't understanding what this issue is painted to be.

It's not the 1st pitch of every at-bat. It's the first pitch... period. THE first pitch a given pitcher ever throws, in a particular game. If you use 3 pitchers, there's only 3 "first pitches."

I made that post so people could clarify. Everyone is giving different observations from different game modes/situations. I believe the original poster is talking about EVERY at-bat seeing FIRST pitch meatballs. It sounds like this is happening only in RTTS.

It sounds like possibly in exhibition/franchise mode that people are seeing the very FIRST pitch of the GAME, as well as the very FIRST pitch of each reliever who comes into the game are meatballs. This may or may not be an issue. I'm leaning towards this being working as intended maybe they could tone it down a little so it isn't so automatic but it sounds like the way it works in RTTS is completely broken. I just want to isolate what exactly is happening to give the devs a better chance to fix it.

[Scribe1980]

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bump your difficulty up a little. Last year I was playing on veteran and was getting fairly accurate results and I found for this year I had to bump to up to All-Star to get those same results. Just my findings so far through 5 games.

Yep. Devs may have responded to those who thought game had gotten TOO hard. My level with baseball video games until The Show 2 yrs ago was always all-star. 11 was first year I dropped to veteran. Now I'm back up to AS, and bumped the pitch speed up a notch.

[Scribe1980]

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Actually, we KNOW they did. That's what the bigger timing window has to be about.

[TBone012984]

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This is definitely a gameplay bug that needs to be patched. It's literally 80 to 90 percent of the time you get a meatball down the middle in RTTS. No matter the difficulty or how you play with the sliders.

It's very annoying because like others said, if you dont swing, you're going to be down 0-1 every time. I'm hitting over .500 3 hrs 23 RBIs in 10 games on Hall of Fame difficulty. I'm good at baseball games but this should not be! In MLB11 and 12 I typically hit around .300 -.370 with new RTTS players the first couple months of the season on All-Star when I'm ON. Something is definitely wrong here and I should NOT have to tinker with sliders to fix something this broken (which evidently doesnt work anyways)! Patch this SECA!

[dkrause1971]

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I see that Top of the fourth after the guy in the video simmed a few innings that Niese throws the very FIRST pitch down the middle. Rest of the at bats FIRST pitch in the inning are: down and outside cutter vs Mccutchen, curveball in the dirt vs Jones

next inning First pitch a curveball down and outside the zone to Martin. I do not see any problem in this video.



I made that post so people could clarify. Everyone is giving different observations from different game modes/situations. I believe the original poster is talking about EVERY at-bat seeing FIRST pitch meatballs. It sounds like this is happening only in RTTS.

It sounds like possibly in exhibition/franchise mode that people are seeing the very FIRST pitch of the GAME, as well as the very FIRST pitch of each reliever who comes into the game are meatballs. This may or may not be an issue. I'm leaning towards this being working as intended maybe they could tone it down a little so it isn't so automatic but it sounds like the way it works in RTTS is completely broken. I just want to isolate what exactly is happening to give the devs a better chance to fix it.

I didn't say it was the first pitch of every AB. i said i am only seeing this with the first pitch of the inning. Each inning, first pitch you see.

[Bobhead]

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I see that Top of the fourth after the guy in the video simmed a few innings that Niese throws the very FIRST pitch down the middle. Rest of the at bats FIRST pitch in the inning are: down and outside cutter vs Mccutchen, curveball in the dirt vs Jones

next inning First pitch a curveball down and outside the zone to Martin. I do not see any problem in this video.



I made that post so people could clarify. Everyone is giving different observations from different game modes/situations. I believe the original poster is talking about EVERY at-bat seeing FIRST pitch meatballs. It sounds like this is happening only in RTTS.

It sounds like possibly in exhibition/franchise mode that people are seeing the very FIRST pitch of the GAME, as well as the very FIRST pitch of each reliever who comes into the game are meatballs. This may or may not be an issue. I'm leaning towards this being working as intended maybe they could tone it down a little so it isn't so automatic but it sounds like the way it works in RTTS is completely broken. I just want to isolate what exactly is happening to give the devs a better chance to fix it.

Well... the first pitch in any given at-bat in RTTS is basically identical to the first pitch in an entire game, because of all the simming that happens in between. There isn't much carryover from one at-bat to another.

When the game goes into "play" mode, for your at-bat, it artificially determines and creates confidence, pitch history, strategic planning data, etc... on the fly, right at that given time. That's why you can't really use the L3 info for a preceding at-bat, or anything like that. So it makes sense that RTTS players are seeing it every single at-bat, while exhibition/franchise guys are only seeing it with fresh pitchers.

[lVlAtlZiX]

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Watching a stream right now and have seen 5 straight HRs in the first AB of RTTS, all of em no doubters that were FBs straight down the middle.