Quick Count Pitch Counts

[TeixeiraFanatic]

From the 10 or so games I've played so far, I've noticed something with quick counts that really kind of irks me. I mean it has no statistical implications but in almost every game I've played the pitchers have thrown 50%, if not more, balls.

I also seem to encounter more 3 ball at bats than not.

For example in my game so far, I have Adam Wainwright pitching (one of the top control pitchers in the league). Through 5 innings, he has thrown 97 pitches(51 strikes and 46 balls). Of those 97 pitches, I've thrown 39, with a strike percentage of 79%. So I've thrown 30 strikes and 9 balls.

So with this information, it seems to me, that the game has generated 37 balls to 21 strikes for me. That seems outrageous, especially for a pitcher like Adam Wainwright.

I really like generated counts and will continue to use it but its just something that's bothered me so far.

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[PhilliesFan13]

Re: Quick Count Pitch Counts

From the 10 or so games I've played so far, I've noticed something with quick counts that really kind of irks me. I mean it has no statistical implications but in almost every game I've played the pitchers have thrown 50%, if not more, balls.

I also seem to encounter more 3 ball at bats than not.

For example in my game so far, I have Adam Wainwright pitching (one of the top control pitchers in the league). Through 5 innings, he has thrown 97 pitches(51 strikes and 46 balls). Of those 97 pitches, I've thrown 39, with a strike percentage of 79%. So I've thrown 30 strikes and 9 balls.

So with this information, it seems to me, that the game has generated 37 balls to 21 strikes for me. That seems outrageous, especially for a pitcher like Adam Wainwright.

I really like generated counts and will continue to use it but its just something that's bothered me so far.

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I encountered something similar with Cliff Lee. By the 5th inning he was in the 75 pitch range already.

[marteezy2]

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Yeah I've seen the same thing. It's pretty frustrating because once the guy goes north of 100 pitches it gets bad real fast.

Hopefully it's something that can be tweaked by the sliders or an update.


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[nomo17k]

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Those are actually typical pitch count and strike % you see in real MLB games.

[TeixeiraFanatic]

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Those are actually typical pitch count and strike % you see in real MLB games.

Is it really? I can't imagine that pitchers throw as many balls as they do strikes. From yesterday's games I've looked at on MLB.com, it seems more like 2/3 of all pitches thrown are strikes. I'm playing another game and Wacha is thru 5 innings and has thrown 100 pitches, and 50 balls. Same for their pitcher Bailey.

This link says that it is around 62% strikes and 38% balls.

http://www.efastball.com/baseball/pitching/pitching-strike-to-ball-ratio/

I think I'll just continue playing and see how it goes. I don't know it just seemed odd to me.

[nomo17k]

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Is it really? I can't imagine that pitchers throw as many balls as they do strikes. From yesterday's games I've looked at on MLB.com, it seems more like 2/3 of all pitches thrown are strikes. I'm playing another game and Wacha is thru 5 innings and has thrown 100 pitches, and 50 balls. Same for their pitcher Bailey.

This link says that it is around 62% strikes and 38% balls.

http://www.efastball.com/baseball/pitching/pitching-strike-to-ball-ratio/

I think I'll just continue playing and see how it goes. I don't know it just seemed odd to me.

Yes, the overall strike % is about 60 - 63%. But it is not uncommon to see it come down in a 50 - 60% range when a pitcher(s) labors.

[TeixeiraFanatic]

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Yes, the overall strike % is about 60 - 63%. But it is not uncommon to see it come down in a 50 - 60% range when a pitcher(s) labors.

Ok that's fair enough. It's just frustrating to see pitchers like Adam Wainwright and Michael Wacha facing a bunch of 3 ball counts to lesser hitters. If this trend continues I might just switch back to regular. Plus the fact that you can't earn trophies with quick counts is kind of a bummer.

[KMRblue1027]

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Yes, the overall strike % is about 60 - 63%. But it is not uncommon to see it come down in a 50 - 60% range when a pitcher(s) labors.

It doesn't seem to take account of the quality of a pitcher though. Lee has something like a 72% strike rate the past few years.

[knich]

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The question I have is whether a pitcher can pitch a complete game without throwing 130 pitches. The way counts are generated, even with built in subtraction, it seems high based on few games I've played.

[Mabster]

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It doesn't seem to take account of the quality of a pitcher though. Lee has something like a 72% strike rate the past few years.

It's the first year if a new feature. I'm sure it'll be refined to tie in with specific pitchers stats in future years.

[nomo17k]

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One thing about the pitch count in the QC mode...

How are fouls counted? In a game, there are typically about 24 fouls hit by each team. They are all strikes, and when they happen on two-strike counts, the ball-strike count does not change but the pitch count increments and that pitch is counted as a strike.

The effect is that the strike % of real-life pitchers becomes slightly higher than the % the case when no fouls on two-strike counts ever occur.

So if the fouls do not ever happen in the QC mode (excluding the ones you hit yourself), then it is not surprising that the strike % you see will be a bit less than what we would expect from real-life MLB numbers.

But of course this is the first year that the QC is implemented, so it's a good idea to take note of things if you suspect something looks funny.

[THESHAMISASHAME]

Re: Quick Count Pitch Counts

From the 10 or so games I've played so far, I've noticed something with quick counts that really kind of irks me. I mean it has no statistical implications but in almost every game I've played the pitchers have thrown 50%, if not more, balls.

I also seem to encounter more 3 ball at bats than not.

For example in my game so far, I have Adam Wainwright pitching (one of the top control pitchers in the league). Through 5 innings, he has thrown 97 pitches(51 strikes and 46 balls). Of those 97 pitches, I've thrown 39, with a strike percentage of 79%. So I've thrown 30 strikes and 9 balls.

So with this information, it seems to me, that the game has generated 37 balls to 21 strikes for me. That seems outrageous, especially for a pitcher like Adam Wainwright.

I really like generated counts and will continue to use it but its just something that's bothered me so far.

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I mentioned this before in another thread but what I noticed in over 60 plus games on QC a lot really depends if the pitcher is struggling or cruising ect as I have seen the pitch count high and low and maybe its just me or my skill level but I can get away with pitching on fumes a bit more this year ?

Well after all those games pitch counts seem very realistic on average when you also add in what type of performance the pitcher had and other than the possible sacrifice bunting issue I see very little problem with this mode on Allstar Default sliders but even with bunting issue I think QC is part of the equation as bunting in todays MLB isnt automatic so what do you guys think ? is Sac Bunt especially for Pitchers in the NL a issue ?

SIDE NOTE : The Logic , Ball Physics , and player movement just to name a few items have been tweaked to near perfection . Even the routes players take to the ball looks totally organic I mean no two plays ever look the same even on bunts or how they charge

I swear this game is alive !

[CaseIH]

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Ok that's fair enough. It's just frustrating to see pitchers like Adam Wainwright and Michael Wacha facing a bunch of 3 ball counts to lesser hitters. If this trend continues I might just switch back to regular. Plus the fact that you can't earn trophies with quick counts is kind of a bummer.

Curios where do you have the AI's pitch accuracy, control, and the strike slider set to?
I notice this too and it was bugging me, I actually drew 7 walks against Wainwright,lol. I had my sliders set to where I have in the past with all those sliders down some to get realistic % from last years game. I think with QC's now those sliders might not need as much tweaking as in the past.
In my last game I moved the Strike % slider up and was seeing them throw a lot more strikes, and more counts in pitchers favor. Now that might be jus a 1 time thing, so I will need to play more games to see if that indeed improved it or not.

[TeixeiraFanatic]

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Curios where do you have the AI's pitch accuracy, control, and the strike slider set to?
I notice this too and it was bugging me, I actually drew 7 walks against Wainwright,lol. I had my sliders set to where I have in the past with all those sliders down some to get realistic % from last years game. I think with QC's now those sliders might not need as much tweaking as in the past.
In my last game I moved the Strike % slider up and was seeing them throw a lot more strikes, and more counts in pitchers favor. Now that might be jus a 1 time thing, so I will need to play more games to see if that indeed improved it or not.

I've just been using the default All-Star sliders so wherever that is.

In response to nomo, it seems to me that fouls are being counted properly.

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[Armor and Sword]

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Default All-Star seems to be where you should play QC's with.....it is the first year of this feature and I am sure sliders for a traditional play through will unbalance the game on QC.

If anything strike frequency may be clicked up 1 if your seeing too many walks for your taste.

Quick Counts is an awesome feature and I am slowly but surely leaning to experimenting with a base slider set for that mode exclusively. But I have a good feeling All-Star default with maybe a tweaks or two to the pitchers strike frequency, stamina and consistency will do the trick if a trend of very high pitch counts and walks rules the day.

I have played 5 games on quick counts and man......it is fun...really a lot o fun because every pitch and every swing means a ton, and the speed of the game really is conducive to getting through multiple seasons.

What I see myself doing is loading in a quick counts slider set before I play a game when I know that is the way I am going. Then if I know i am playing a full game...load in my usual custom sliders.

Best of both worlds.

Amazingly with each iteration of the game......slider tweaks have become so minute. I mean really.....the game plays so balanced on default All-Star it really comes down to a matter of certain things for certain people.

SCEA SD.....you guys rock.

Just a few minor things need to be patched (blue circle on manual throwing based on player ratings), and I have encountered some minor stability issues playing offline while being connected to PSN. Hopefully it was an anomaly.