Full Minors Roster for '09

[preztommy]

Re: Full Minors Roster for '09

Knight, admittedly I haven't read all of this thread, so sorry if this has been answered, but in your final version, do you edit the player ratings of guys already in the game on release? For example, on the current roster, Tim Redding is strangely good and Daniel Murphy is strangely bad in comparison to backup OF'ers on the Mets, do you try to edit things like that in your final roster.


Also, I think you did a very good job on the Mets prospects, but was surprised not to see Fernando Martinez get A potential. Right now, he basically just is potential, as he hasn't really played well enough to make his original ratings high, he's basically all potential.

As a Mets fan, I think a B is good for him. He has hit pretty well wherever he's played, so the attributes are fine. But outside of scouts opinions, he hasn't shown star potential anywhere in minors. I think he'll still develop into an all-star, but he hasn't shown it yet.

[GBonds88]

Re: Full Minors Roster for '09

Thanks.

Cecil will be in. I needed another B prospect and I wasn't sure if I had enough players to go around. Miraculously ....I think this year I will have enough editable players to make everyone real(no devs! )...so I can get him on

Did I switch Lind?....I'll switch him back. I thought I based my Snider off of SCEA...but I don't mind a slight upwards adjustment if necessary.

I hate to ask you guys...but if you could PM me the suggestions/changes...it would be great.

Thanks

M.K.
Knight165

Not a problem, also I will send you a PM if I find anything else(probably wont but I'll keep an eye out)

Thanks again for these rosters Knight.

[JibJab 24]

Re: Full Minors Roster for '09

Awesome roster set Knight, thanks for all the time and effort you put into these.

[JAFrink]

Re: Full Minors Roster for '09

Gotcha. Thanks for clearing that up. I know you plan on releasing a roster without the lineup fix but have heard that you will leave it with SCEA's exact attributes aside from the players you've created. It'd be a shame to not be able to benefit from everyone's hard work and research on attribute edits of current players just to not have the lineup fix. Don't know how hard it would be to post up a fully edited roster JUST minus the lineup fix.

Thanks again

I agree! I like the knowledge too cuz the SCEA stocks aren't as good as yours but would love to have realisticlly rated guys rather than lineups not getting tweeked by the computer. Plus down the line when they make trades theyll shuffle anyway. You probably don't have a file saved with your guys' edits for just ratings/stances/pitches/etc. though huh? On a side note, what other games do u do rosters for?

[DrUrsus]

Re: Full Minors Roster for '09

I don't know if this has been asked before, but is it possible to put Knight's rosters in the Roster Vault online?

No, he doesn't want them on the Vault yet. Not until he releases the completed set. This is just to avoid any confusion since some users wouldn't know to come on here to find out what's what.

[DrUrsus]

Re: Full Minors Roster for '09

Knight,

This is just my 2 cents about the lineups and the fix, take it or leave it . You have done a great job with this, they're your rosters, and I dont want to come off as criticizing or telling you what to do, so please don't take any offense.

I wouldn't put any more time into editing attributes just to get the lineups correct. In fact, if possible, I think you should just do attributes based on your accumulated knowledge of the players, feedback, etc, and not to make the lineups work. Then guys will be more "accurate" in my opinion. If it's a slight tweak here and there, I agree. Ultimately, you have always had good judgment about all of this stuff, so I am sure you will do what's best. If it's too late to "go back" then I totally understand as well (like in the case of the career stat glitch).

During franchise, I have noticed that they end up "out of whack" alot if you move guys up and down from MLB to AAA and change lineups, etc., anyway.
For example: When I played the Rays, I dropped Upton to AAA and brought up Joyce to play CF. I then set the lineups based on Opening Day. This is with CPU roster control ON by the way. By the time I went to play the game, it was jumbled again quite a bit anyway. It had put Crawford at DH instead of LF, and put Burrell in LF, and Crawford was leading off which made sense to the CPU based on its logic. Being detail oriented, I used the 2 controller method, so I would face the correct lineup.

I know that Jim had a similar issue when playing against the Twins, when he tried to bench Redmond. I have seen several other cases of it too.

I am sure you know about this, but I am just bringing it up to illustrate why I don't think making the lineups work is important at the expense of more accurate attributes.

I have had to use the 2 controller method anyway against teams that I play, and I wonder if when simmed it won't matter where they are in the lineup too much. I understand that some stats can be affected based on lineup position. I think SCEA will fix the lineup glitch anyway (at least with CPU roster control on, not sure when its off).

Anyway, hope you're doing great, brotha .

[dkrause1971]

Re: Full Minors Roster for '09

I agree with the Doctor. I used to do this same thing when i shared baseball rosters and overall its fine but some players like alfonso soriano you gotta tweak a little too much (not saying you did this as i didn't look) to keep at leadoff. Sure the Jason Barretts can be dropped from 99 vs Lefties easy enough but don't just change the ratings of players you think were ok just for the sake of the lineups. Odds are we'll get to fix them with roster control on soon anyway. Plus, always the 2 controller thing. You clearly do good work, just my opinion from someone who has been there.

[tgreer]

Re: Full Minors Roster for '09

Knight,

This is just my 2 cents about the lineups and the fix, take it or leave it . You have done a great job with this, they're your rosters, and I dont want to come off as criticizing or telling you what to do, so please don't take any offense.

I wouldn't put any more time into editing attributes just to get the lineups correct. In fact, if possible, I think you should just do attributes based on your accumulated knowledge of the players, feedback, etc, and not to make the lineups work. Then guys will be more "accurate" in my opinion. If it's a slight tweak here and there, I agree. Ultimately, you have always had good judgment about all of this stuff, so I am sure you will do what's best. If it's too late to "go back" then I totally understand as well (like in the case of the career stat glitch).

During franchise, I have noticed that they end up "out of whack" alot if you move guys up and down from MLB to AAA and change lineups, etc., anyway.
For example: When I played the Rays, I dropped Upton to AAA and brought up Joyce to play CF. I then set the lineups based on Opening Day. This is with CPU roster control ON by the way. By the time I went to play the game, it was jumbled again quite a bit anyway. It had put Crawford at DH instead of LF, and put Burrell in LF, and Crawford was leading off which made sense to the CPU based on its logic. Being detail oriented, I used the 2 controller method, so I would face the correct lineup.

I know that Jim had a similar issue when playing against the Twins, when he tried to bench Redmond. I have seen several other cases of it too.

I am sure you know about this, but I am just bringing it up to illustrate why I don't think making the lineups work is important at the expense of more accurate attributes.

I have had to use the 2 controller method anyway against teams that I play, and I wonder if when simmed it won't matter where they are in the lineup too much. I understand that some stats can be affected based on lineup position. I think SCEA will fix the lineup glitch anyway (at least with CPU roster control on, not sure when its off).

Anyway, hope you're doing great, brotha .

I have to agree (although I was excited for the lineup fix at first). I am also a real life day to day transaction guy and have noticed when moving players from the minors up, it gets "jumbled" again anyway. Really hope the CPU Roster Control ON gets addressed in the patch. On that note, do you have an ETA for the Full Minors with the SCEA stock ratings? Thanks for your tremendous work!!! Truly appreciate it

[spyder23]

Re: Full Minors Roster for '09

Knight,

This is just my 2 cents about the lineups and the fix, take it or leave it . You have done a great job with this, they're your rosters, and I dont want to come off as criticizing or telling you what to do, so please don't take any offense.

I wouldn't put any more time into editing attributes just to get the lineups correct. In fact, if possible, I think you should just do attributes based on your accumulated knowledge of the players, feedback, etc, and not to make the lineups work. Then guys will be more "accurate" in my opinion. If it's a slight tweak here and there, I agree. Ultimately, you have always had good judgment about all of this stuff, so I am sure you will do what's best. If it's too late to "go back" then I totally understand as well (like in the case of the career stat glitch).

During franchise, I have noticed that they end up "out of whack" alot if you move guys up and down from MLB to AAA and change lineups, etc., anyway.
For example: When I played the Rays, I dropped Upton to AAA and brought up Joyce to play CF. I then set the lineups based on Opening Day. This is with CPU roster control ON by the way. By the time I went to play the game, it was jumbled again quite a bit anyway. It had put Crawford at DH instead of LF, and put Burrell in LF, and Crawford was leading off which made sense to the CPU based on its logic. Being detail oriented, I used the 2 controller method, so I would face the correct lineup.

I know that Jim had a similar issue when playing against the Twins, when he tried to bench Redmond. I have seen several other cases of it too.

I am sure you know about this, but I am just bringing it up to illustrate why I don't think making the lineups work is important at the expense of more accurate attributes.

I have had to use the 2 controller method anyway against teams that I play, and I wonder if when simmed it won't matter where they are in the lineup too much. I understand that some stats can be affected based on lineup position. I think SCEA will fix the lineup glitch anyway (at least with CPU roster control on, not sure when its off).

Anyway, hope you're doing great, brotha .

Agree with you 10000% man, but of course I got jumped on by everyone way back in this thread somewhere b/c I was adamant that messing with attributes is not the answer. It messes up a lot more than it fixes.

[longranger]

Re: Full Minors Roster for '09

knight, awesome work! i really appreciate the time you put into this game!








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[Twister1366]

Re: Full Minors Roster for '09

Would it Be possible for you to create?
#04 Josh Schmidt-P
#14 Wilkins Arias-P
#20Ryan Pope-P
#48 Jose Valdez-P
#21 Kevin Whelan-P
#54 Eric Wordekemper-P
#? Brett Smith-P
#38 Jose Gill-C
#32 Reggie Corona-2B
#17 Chris Malec-3B
#? Carlos Mendoza-3B/SS
#37 Eduardo Nunez-SS
#23 Kevin Smith-1B
#46 Marcos Vechionacci
All in witch are playikng in Trenton (AA) for the Yankees
right now

[Knight165]

Re: Full Minors Roster for '09

Would it Be possible for you to create?
#04 Josh Schmidt-P
#14 Wilkins Arias-P
#20Ryan Pope-P
#48 Jose Valdez-P
#21 Kevin Whelan-P
#54 Eric Wordekemper-P
#? Brett Smith-P
#38 Jose Gill-C
#32 Reggie Corona-2B
#17 Chris Malec-3B
#? Carlos Mendoza-3B/SS
#37 Eduardo Nunez-SS
#23 Kevin Smith-1B
#46 Marcos Vechionacci
All in witch are playikng in Trenton (AA) for the Yankees
right now

Some of those guys are in...no way to get them all in AND get the Yankee prospects in. Sorry.

preztommy....I'm running out of guys with B....I doubt it on getting that...but I will give him a look and edit. Shoot me a PM about that.

spyder....that's not why you got "jumped". You basically started blasting me for doing the lineup fix....I play manage only mode...so for me...I GOTTA have the lineup fix.....there is no two controller method. .....and I still think that it doesn't even come close to "messing up more than it fixes"....in my testing...the stats look pretty darn good in most cases.
We'll just disagree on that one.

mrs84424
Negative on the Roster Vault right now...sorry.

jf28
Nobody is a bigger Met fan than I, and Martinez is LUCKY he is still a B prospect. No way is he an A anymore.(sorry....REALLY sorry because I had/still have high hopes for him)....
Train him right and he'll be fine

Dr.
No worries and if people weren't freaking out about the lineups from the start....I wouldn't have even worried that much about them....
Originally I just did it to show that it could be done...and I did need it somewhat for myself, being a MoM guy....(I can't set the lineups at the play screen like you guys)...but yes...I'm done with that....
The stock set will be soon after the initial release.....and then my tweaked set(for stats and gameplay, like I do every year....then once I get my own franchise rolling....a nice ALL TIME GREATS roster set! (my personal fave)

Guys...I got in pretty much ALL of the changes/additions you guy requested to me by PM.
I'll try and look trough the last 15 pages and get things you guys didn't send me directly.

Navi
I got in some of what you asked.....certain things(Niemann and someone else's potential you noted) are not of my doing...they are SCEA players.......I did my best!

M.K.
Knight165

[reddog01]

Re: Full Minors Roster for '09

sorry but is this your version 3 online, cant find them otherwise

[Knight165]

Re: Full Minors Roster for '09

sorry but is this your version 3 online, cant find them otherwise

None are online yet....
On page 144 of this thread is the link to the latest.
Sometime tomorrow will be another update.......with hopefully the Cubs, Reds, Bucs and Dodgers done.

M.K.
Knight165

[wookie48]

Re: Full Minors Roster for '09

Man, I was gonna do every player tit for tat, but man...for players that wont ev er see the league like some of the trenton guys named above its just a fan base request. Nothin wrong with that at all its just time wasted IMO. Hopefully that wasnt abrasive, it probably was so I apologize, you rock BTW knight...you old man LOL (I Raise a glass of scotch to you man)